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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 21 2012, 01:33 PM

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I don;t know why people still need to debate about Rafa's style. It was neither neither gungho nor ultra defensive. It was tactically designed to be balanced as he mentioned it himself. I'm sure if you press him further, he will tell you that it all depends on the players.

And the Real comparison is a bit silly imo. If you look at the bigger picture, you'll see that they conceded only 32 goals, slightly more than Barca's 29 but still considerable lesser than the rest of the teams. So his logic still stands.
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post May 21 2012, 01:44 PM

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i think we need to act fast, so that we won't missed out good players, other clubs had already started with players contacting
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post May 21 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(edwinsan84 @ May 21 2012, 01:44 PM)
i think we need to act fast, so that we won't missed out good players, other clubs had already started with players contacting
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yes, that is absofarkinglutely true. But, please contact Mr.Henry. They still busy with manager, no time for player.
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QUOTE(twtang @ May 21 2012, 01:46 PM)
yes, that is absofarkinglutely true. But, please contact Mr.Henry. They still busy with manager, no time for player.
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i contacted him, he didn't pick up my call. tongue.gif
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its easier to concede than to score. get your defence right, you at least get one point from a game. but playing defensive is a no no.
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Van de boer rejects LFC saying he is loyal to ajax.

At this rate we might have to go back to rafa sad.gif
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post May 21 2012, 02:11 PM

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If you look all the way to the top I guess H&G is responsible for the Barry/Alonso saga for not providing Rafa with sufficient funds. To be fair, since H&G took over Rafa hasn't really been provided with decent funds apart from the signings of Torres, Mascherano and Keane but he was sold back almost immediately to Spurs. We were lacking depth in so many departments, we have no proven striker apart from Torres, Kuyt was played as a winger, N'gog isn't good enough to lead the line for Liverpool. But in all honesty, I feel he could have chose some other players to be offloaded rather than Alonso.

Personally I agree with Rafa's statement. Offense win games but Defense win titles. Yes you have to score to win but more often than not you will end up losing points due to poor defenses (look at Arsenal) hence balance is important. He said wingers are important, yes if you view them as the source of creativity in the final 3rd but look at the wingers we had Kuyt (hardworking but not creative), Riera (only decent), Babel (wants a more central role), Benayoun (lacks pace, more of a free role player). Maybe not Rafa's fault as I remember reading an article where he stated he wanted to buy some attacking flair players (forgot who) but wasn't provided with the funds.

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post May 21 2012, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
If you look all the way to the top I guess H&G is responsible for the Barry/Alonso saga for not providing Rafa with sufficient funds. To be fair, since H&G took over Rafa hasn't really been provided with decent funds apart from the signings of Torres, Mascherano and Keane but he was sold back almost immediately to Spurs. But in all honesty, I feel he could have chose some other players to be offloaded rather than Alonso.

Personally I agree with Rafa's statement. Offense win games but Defense win titles. Yes you have to score to win but more often than not you will end up losing points due to poor defenses (look at Arsenal) hence balance is important.
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Apart from the offensive + defensive game from Rafa, how long ago since we have never experienced the excitement that:


1. Even we are 1-0 down, we know that with the mentality from the players, we will definitely come back. The excitement of coming back from trailing, the mentality of never give up, the mentality of fighting back like a never die Liverbird no longer can see since two years ago.

2. Possession football: even though it is boring some times, but you can see Rafa strategy is tends to build up with lot of patients, hold the ball and we will find and get the chance.

3. If you look at Torres 100 goals in Liverpool youtube, you will find that our current striker macam kindergarten striker. Am not going into KK strategy or Carrol slump topics, but it is about the excitement. Score with left foot, score with right foot, and score with header. Passes from Gerrard, Benayoun and etc.

Sigh....I have not seen such football matches nowadays in Liverpool matches, maybe 1-2. No more excitement.


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post May 21 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(twtang @ May 21 2012, 02:20 PM)
3. If you look at Torres 100 goals in Liverpool youtube, you will find that our current striker macam kindergarten striker. Am not going into KK strategy or Carrol slump topics, but it is about the excitement. Score with left foot, score with right foot, and score with header. Passes from Gerrard, Benayoun and etc.

Sigh....I have not seen such football matches nowadays in Liverpool matches, maybe 1-2. No more excitement.
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Exactly! Apart from the occasional magical moments from Suarez (because he is the only one who is capable of creating something out of nothing), we are boring as hell. Maybe Bellamy, I like his burst of pace too but he is aging no longer fit to play many consecutive games.

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
If you look all the way to the top I guess H&G is responsible for the Barry/Alonso saga for not providing Rafa with sufficient funds. To be fair, since H&G took over Rafa hasn't really been provided with decent funds apart from the signings of Torres, Mascherano and Keane but he was sold back almost immediately to Spurs. We were lacking depth in so many departments, we have no proven striker apart from Torres, Kuyt was played as a winger, N'gog isn't good enough to lead the line for Liverpool. But in all honesty, I feel he could have chose some other players to be offloaded rather than Alonso.

Personally I agree with Rafa's statement. Offense win games but Defense win titles. Yes you have to score to win but more often than not you will end up losing points due to poor defenses (look at Arsenal) hence balance is important. He said wingers are important, yes if you view them as the source of creativity in the final 3rd but look at the wingers we had Kuyt (hardworking but not creative), Riera (only decent), Babel (wants a more central role), Benayoun (lacks pace, more of a free role player). Maybe not Rafa's fault as I remember reading an article where he stated he wanted to buy some attacking flair players (forgot who) but wasn't provided with the funds.
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Agree with that. About wingers - Rafa usually sets his team with one winger on the left (tho i'd say they were more left side mid - because they werent deployed aggressively like traditional wingers) - i.e. Babel, Riera, Kewell. The right flank was usually the inside forward i.e. Benayoun, Gerrard, Kuyt. They weren't providing the actual width - the fullback usually provided the width.

I personally think that was s a good setup but the kind players we had did limit its full potential. It would had been much better had we had someone like Silva as the inside forward. Alves to provide width on the right. Simao to provide width on the left etc. But we made do with what he had, and overallwe did alright considering the kind of players we had.
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post May 21 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 21 2012, 02:44 PM)
Agree with that. About wingers - Rafa usually sets his team with one winger on the left (tho i'd say they were more left side mid - because they werent deployed aggressively like traditional wingers) - i.e. Babel, Riera, Kewell. The right flank was usually the inside forward i.e. Benayoun, Gerrard, Kuyt. They weren't providing the actual width - the fullback usually provided the width.

I personally think that was s a good setup but the kind players we had did limit its full potential. It would had been much better had we had someone like Silva as the inside forward. Alves to provide width on the right. Simao to provide width on the left etc. But we made do with what he had, and overallwe did alright considering the kind of players we had.
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It was widely believed that Rafa was One Silva or One Villa away from the title....... cry.gif cry.gif



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QUOTE(edwinsan84 @ May 21 2012, 02:48 PM)
i contacted him, he didn't pick up my call.  tongue.gif
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Some fun quips from rafabenitez.com forums

A 'John Henry' wrote
"Brilliant again Rafa. Do you want the job?"

another 'John W Henry' posted
"hello Mr benitez,

greetings from Boston. I shall get in touch with you soon. The outcry of fans wanting the return of the rafalution on my twitter these past couple of days haa been crazy. After seeing cheski's success there is no doubt that you are my man. Talk to you soon lad. "


It hilarious what some fellow fans write!

But you can almost sense some of humour from rafa himself.
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post May 21 2012, 02:51 PM

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Yeah what a team we would had been with those players.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 21 2012, 02:44 PM)
Agree with that. About wingers - Rafa usually sets his team with one winger on the left (tho i'd say they were more left side mid - because they werent deployed aggressively like traditional wingers) - i.e. Babel, Riera, Kewell. The right flank was usually the inside forward i.e. Benayoun, Gerrard, Kuyt. They weren't providing the actual width - the fullback usually provided the width.

I personally think that was s a good setup but the kind players we had did limit its full potential. It would had been much better had we had someone like Silva as the inside forward. Alves to provide width on the right. Simao to provide width on the left etc. But we made do with what he had, and overallwe did alright considering the kind of players we had.
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Ah yes nice reminder there...
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Former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez has revealed how the Anfield club blocked him from signing Dani Alves and Stevan Jovetic.

The Spaniard was speaking in an interview with Sports Illustrated when he made the comments that admitted he wanted Barcelona’s current full-back to ply his trade with the Reds.

Benitez also wanted to sign young Serbian Jovetic – currently excelling at Fiorentina – but was told there was not enough money, which he disputed due to it being straight after the sale of Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid.

“Daniel Alves was our first option on the right side,” said Benitez in the interview.

“The problem that we had - I had to decide to bring Alves as a winger when he was an offensive fullback.

“It was a difficult decision as we had money at the time for only just one striker or a winger/fullback.

“We signed a striker, the striker was Kuyt, who to be fair has turned out to be a fantastic contributor to the club.”

The former Valencia manager left Anfield under a bit of a cloud, with many fans calling for his sacking and reports in the media of him falling out with certain players in his squad.

One of the players who would have liked to have added was Jovetic, but it was not to be as the club deemed the funds available to be insufficient.

“Jovetic was our target but we didn't have the money,” he added.

“My idea was to play Mascherano, Lucas, [Steven] Gerrard, Aquilani -- two of these four players in the middle and Jovetic between the lines, but we didn't have the money.”

When it was pointed out that the sale of Alonso should have been sufficient to pay for both Aquilani and Jovetic, his response was illuminating: “You are right. In theory”.

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 21 2012, 02:53 PM)
Ah yes nice reminder there...
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Reading that article it seemed he was planning to setup a little Italy with the kind of players we've been linked with. So ideally we would be setup something like ..

-------------------Torres

-----------Jovetic/Gerrard
---------------------------------------- Maxi/Kuyt
Barry
--------------------Aqualani/Gerrard

-----------Mascerano/Lucas

Dossena-------------------------------------Johnson

-------------Agger ------- Skrtel -------

----------------------Reina

I quite like it to be honest. Lacking pace in the attacking mid, but the fullbacks are quite pacey.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 21 2012, 02:50 PM)
Some fun quips from rafabenitez.com forums

A 'John Henry' wrote
"Brilliant again Rafa. Do you want the job?"

another 'John W Henry' posted
"hello Mr benitez,

greetings from Boston. I shall get in touch with you soon. The outcry of fans wanting the return of the rafalution on my twitter these past couple of days haa been crazy. After seeing cheski's success there is no doubt that you are my man. Talk to you soon lad. "
It hilarious what some fellow fans write!

But you can almost sense some of humour from rafa himself.
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LOL.I saw another comment.

Time to quit this punditry and get to the real job now.
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aqua wil be back next season right??
i think mgmt shud hire avb and ask him to bring torres along biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
Van de boer rejects LFC saying he is loyal to ajax.

At this rate we might have to go back to rafa sad.gif
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de boer also rejected barca offer..no need to panic

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Carling Cup winners 2012, KD led us to this after a 6 year silverware drought. He was unbeated in cup games until the fa cup finals. Shame, how all the woodwork got KD the sack.. But we'd better get a new manger soon man. Transfers!

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Personally I don't support Rafa's "comming back". While I think he did a great job at Liverpool previously, I don't think he can reinovate the team and ditch the defensive frailty mentality that seems to affect Liverpool.

We need someone more defensively astute and build on the attacks. We need a manager in the big leagues to instill defensive integrity into the team and acquire players to spearhead the attacks along with Suarez and Gerrard.

Therefore I find Fabio Cappelo as an ideal candidate. Defensively astute. Have the reputation to bring in class players and a wrold class talented manager

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