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geek8585
post Sep 1 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Sep 1 2014, 08:32 PM)
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hey janson, thanks for your reply mate.

Means it got no harm for me to have shakes even I am not on workout? yes, solid food also my priority.

But with my current body size, is 2500 calories per day sufficient? if you ask me, to top up 1000 more, i must take the mass gain (my stomach can't fill so much of solid foods currently)

Oh yes, you got the point... i tend to drink my shakes right after my workout, some said it is a golden 30mins which i don't think so after i read around sweat.gif enlighten me if i am wrong. Once took the shake, my solid meal after 30min kinda like force it to the stomach icon_question.gif
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(geek8585 @ Sep 1 2014, 09:49 PM)
hey janson, thanks for your reply mate.

Means it got no harm for me to have shakes even I am not on workout? yes, solid food also my priority.

But with my current body size, is 2500 calories per day sufficient? if you ask me, to top up 1000 more, i must take the mass gain (my stomach can't fill so much of solid foods currently)

Oh yes, you got the point... i tend to drink my shakes right after my workout, some said it is a golden 30mins which i don't think so after i read around  sweat.gif  enlighten me if i am wrong. Once took the shake, my solid meal after 30min kinda like force it to the stomach  icon_question.gif
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provided you train consistently, ie 3-7 days a week, those non work out days are recovery days, therefore your body needs the same amount of nutrient for recovery.

i dont count my calories like most do. i just eat accordingly. and it's simple science, eat more grow more.

anabolic window or whatever window is all myth. don't need to stay in the gym to drink your shake. go home or go out and eat proper meal is better smile.gif
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Sep 1 2014, 10:06 PM)
provided you train consistently, ie 3-7 days a week, those non work out days are recovery days, therefore your body needs the same amount of nutrient for recovery.

i dont count my calories like most do. i just eat accordingly. and it's simple science, eat more grow more.

anabolic window or whatever window is all myth. don't need to stay in the gym to drink your shake. go home or go out and eat proper meal is better smile.gif
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thanks for your sharing janson...

hmm... looks like i gonna do something, i'm getting excited day by day when doing workout...
just somehow, trainer ask me don't take supplement always... start slow with 2500 cal per day etc...

while u in some supplement store, they will ask you buy more because you just need it everyday... example like one 5lb BSN True Mass just for 16 servings... if drink everyday means last around two weeks only bla bla bla...

woot, i understand... trainer got his business, supplement outlet have their business too.. so? erhemmm.... i'm still learning notworthy.gif
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(geek8585 @ Sep 1 2014, 10:12 PM)
thanks for your sharing janson...

hmm... looks like i gonna do something, i'm getting excited day by day when doing workout...
just somehow, trainer ask me don't take supplement always... start slow with 2500 cal per day etc...

while u in some supplement store, they will ask you buy more because you just need it everyday... example like one 5lb BSN True Mass just for 16 servings... if drink everyday means last around two weeks only bla bla bla...

woot, i understand... trainer got his business, supplement outlet have their business too.. so? erhemmm.... i'm still learning  notworthy.gif
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May I know why you started with mass gainer anyway? I remember when I was skinny I bought those weight gainer powder from pharmacy hoping it would bring miracle lol

one of the reasons why skinny ppl r skinny is because they just don't eat enough no matter how much they claim they eat. I'm speaking from my own experience myself. forcing yourself to eat a lot is a way of telling your body to change your appetite. when you are slightly advanced later, u will be laughing at yourself now like "why din I just eat MORE? it feels so easy now!"
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post Sep 2 2014, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Sep 1 2014, 10:36 PM)
May I know why you started with mass gainer anyway? I remember when I was skinny I bought those weight gainer powder from pharmacy hoping it would bring miracle lol

one of the reasons why skinny ppl r skinny is because they just don't eat enough no matter how much they claim they eat. I'm speaking from my own experience myself. forcing yourself to eat a lot is a way of telling your body to change your appetite. when you are slightly advanced later, u will be laughing at yourself now like "why din I just eat MORE? it feels so easy now!"
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my mindset is i want to gain weight... protein for muscle gain and carbs is for weight gaining... that's why i choose Mass Gain... but a lot ppl said it is just carbs junk but a plain whey protein seems not helpful for me to gain weight...

any thought?

i still prefer solid food as supplement does work differently on different human body... like one of my bro's friend, he grew a lot of white hair since he took shakes everyday... scaryy shocking.gif
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post Sep 2 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(geek8585 @ Sep 2 2014, 11:34 AM)
my mindset is i want to gain weight... protein for muscle gain and carbs is for weight gaining... that's why i choose Mass Gain... but a lot ppl said it is just carbs junk but a plain whey protein seems not helpful for me to gain weight...

any thought?

i still prefer solid food as supplement does work differently on different human body... like one of my bro's friend, he grew a lot of white hair since he took shakes everyday...  scaryy  shocking.gif
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Plain wrong. You need calories to gain weight and build muscle. Both protein and carbs provides calories; and fat too.
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post Sep 2 2014, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(geek8585 @ Sep 2 2014, 11:34 AM)
my mindset is i want to gain weight... protein for muscle gain and carbs is for weight gaining... that's why i choose Mass Gain... but a lot ppl said it is just carbs junk but a plain whey protein seems not helpful for me to gain weight...

any thought?

i still prefer solid food as supplement does work differently on different human body... like one of my bro's friend, he grew a lot of white hair since he took shakes everyday...  scaryy  shocking.gif
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tbh, our malaysian food is full with carbs, therefore what you lack is actually protein. just eat tonnes of food and drink protein shake.

and i still have plentiful of black hair despite years of taking shakes shocking.gif
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post Sep 3 2014, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Sep 2 2014, 12:11 PM)
Plain wrong. You need calories to gain weight and build muscle. Both protein and carbs provides calories; and fat too.
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thanks for correcting... unsure.gif smtimes i might have misconception on nutrition
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post Sep 3 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Sep 2 2014, 01:05 PM)
tbh, our malaysian food is full with carbs, therefore what you lack is actually protein. just eat tonnes of food and drink protein shake.

and i still have plentiful of black hair despite years of taking shakes  shocking.gif
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yea, especially we chinese ate a lot of carbs... like rice and noodles... basically, i don't have problems to hit my protein and carbs target... i'm an ectomorph, so 50% carbs, 35% protein and 15% fat... the one which make me headache is fat...

protein i can archive even without shakes, but during workout day i will take shakes for sure...

out of topic a bit...guess what, i slowly get sicked of hard boil eggs these few days... last night almost vommit when my tongue touch the egg york blush.gif is it necessary to eat the york aR?
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post Sep 3 2014, 02:32 PM

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if cutting, should I buy BCAA/ Glutamine or volume up my protein shake will do?
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QUOTE(YakAttack @ Aug 29 2014, 04:43 PM)
I'd describe myself as one of those people who haven't actively seen any strength gains from creatine, I've tried multiple brands but was never amazed.

I finally gave into the muscle-tech hype and decided to try Nitro-tech and immediately notice weekly progression in terms of strength. Could it be that a different type of creatine used in nitro-tech is giving me these gains? Surely, it can't be just because of the protein. Keeping in mind, I still have a tub full of creatine left (SAN) that I no longer take since I'm getting my dosage through Nitro.

I'm running out of Nitro-tech, and I'm considering either Dymatize Elite Whey, Combat Powder or another tub of Nitro.

Do you guys have any suggestions or should I still stick to the standard economic protein? Thanks.

On an additional note, where can I buy wristwraps? The ones for bench-press because I'm experiencing recurring wrist-pain as my bench increase; can't seem to find them on any stores.
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i have to say. I too myself does not experience any strength gains through creatine. i guess its depends on person. however, nitro tech is really a great whey that gives me results in strength and muscle size and this i have to agree with you. guess you just have to stop spending money on creatine stuff and use them all on quality protein.
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QUOTE(geek8585 @ Sep 3 2014, 09:44 AM)
yea, especially we chinese ate a lot of carbs... like rice and noodles... basically, i don't have problems to hit my protein and carbs target... i'm an ectomorph, so 50% carbs, 35% protein and 15% fat... the one which make me headache is fat...

protein i can archive even without shakes, but during workout day i will take shakes for sure...

out of topic a bit...guess what, i slowly get sicked of hard boil eggs these few days... last night almost vommit when my tongue touch the egg york  blush.gif  is it necessary to eat the york aR?
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i dont really rrecommend eating egg yolk.
reason 1: its makes you feel full and u cant eat anymore eggs. lets say u gonna eat 3 in a meal, i would only eat one or none cuz it makes me feel full like hell when i ate one.

reason 2: yes there are research shows that egg yolk contain selenium which is good for your health in many sense. you can google and find out. however, protein level is low in egg yolk. protein mostly can be found in egg white so why bother eating egg yolk when what u wanted most isnt the egg yolk. LOL. same situation like you wanna buy a new pair of socks but you're discussing whether need to buy the shoes also.
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post Sep 14 2014, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(bokbokchai @ Sep 14 2014, 01:13 PM)
i dont really rrecommend eating egg yolk.
reason 1: its makes you feel full and u cant eat anymore eggs. lets say u gonna eat 3 in a meal, i would only eat one or none cuz it makes me feel full like hell when i ate one.

reason 2: yes there are research shows that egg yolk contain selenium which is good for your health in many sense. you can google and find out. however, protein level is low in egg yolk. protein mostly can be found in egg white so why bother eating egg yolk when what u wanted most isnt the egg yolk. LOL. same situation like you wanna buy a new pair of socks but you're discussing whether need to buy the shoes also.
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Although they say the essential amino acids is mainly from the yolk itself rolleyes.gif eat the egg whole , it won't hurt
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QUOTE(bokbokchai @ Sep 14 2014, 01:13 PM)
i dont really rrecommend eating egg yolk.
reason 1: its makes you feel full and u cant eat anymore eggs. lets say u gonna eat 3 in a meal, i would only eat one or none cuz it makes me feel full like hell when i ate one.

reason 2: yes there are research shows that egg yolk contain selenium which is good for your health in many sense. you can google and find out. however, protein level is low in egg yolk. protein mostly can be found in egg white so why bother eating egg yolk when what u wanted most isnt the egg yolk. LOL. same situation like you wanna buy a new pair of socks but you're discussing whether need to buy the shoes also.
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There's more protein in the yolk than the white!
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post Sep 15 2014, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Sep 14 2014, 11:40 PM)
There's more protein in the yolk than the white!
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/280429-e...k-vs-the-white/
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QUOTE(bokbokchai @ Sep 15 2014, 10:17 AM)
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-...-products/113/2
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Is BCAA necessary??? If I have whey protein (which has BCAA), do i need BCAA??? There's 2 differing opinions : 1 says that it helps improve further ur training and people do see difference. Another is that they BCAA in whey is enough. No point in getting BCAA

Any input from you guys out there is greatly appreciated

Thanks
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QUOTE(kenlee6 @ Sep 16 2014, 08:10 PM)
Is BCAA necessary??? If I have whey protein (which has BCAA), do i need BCAA??? There's 2 differing opinions : 1 says that it helps improve further ur training and people do see difference. Another is that they BCAA in whey is enough. No point in getting BCAA

Any input from you guys out there is greatly appreciated

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no difference , save the cash for ur whey and other chicken, beef or fish products. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 17 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kenlee6 @ Sep 16 2014, 08:10 PM)
Is BCAA necessary??? If I have whey protein (which has BCAA), do i need BCAA??? There's 2 differing opinions : 1 says that it helps improve further ur training and people do see difference. Another is that they BCAA in whey is enough. No point in getting BCAA

Any input from you guys out there is greatly appreciated

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bcaa never improve ur performance / protein synthesis. but it does reduce ur fatique. i usually consume .75g - 1.5g of bcaa when i m cutting.

http://examine.com/supplements/Branched+Chain+Amino+Acids/
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Probably the only time need BCAA is during workout, bulking and cutting
Remaining from food protein source.

I'm going to try a tub or two for my workout use see how it works.

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