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Prosperer
post Mar 23 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 23 2016, 07:36 PM)
Yeah the quick fit tube.
Takes me 3-4 weeks in KL too.

Vref? Hehe. pusing counterclockwise until motor starts to lose step. then 1/4 turn clockwise biggrin.gif although if you want to set Vref, you need to check your current sense resistor value. Different vendor put different value. Dangerous just to use other ppl's number
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yeah i know, i just want to see if mine is similar with other or different, i set mine on xy axis around 0.7, below than that on the second layer or when it want to make solid infill the y axis make annoying noise

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the fastest shipment i received from china is 10days using free shipping also

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izzudinhafiz
post Mar 23 2016, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 23 2016, 07:49 PM)
yeah i know, i just want to see if mine is similar with other or different, i set mine on xy axis around 0.7, below than that on the second layer or when it want to make solid infill the y axis make annoying noise

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the fastest shipment i received from china is 10days using free shipping also
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is like a loud buzzing sound? If so yeah, i think thats undervoltage.
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 23 2016, 09:10 PM)
is like a loud buzzing sound? If so yeah, i think thats undervoltage.
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i dont know, if that sound appear, it like my whole frame is vibrate, so i change the vref from 0.5 to 0.7 and now my y axis stepper motor is a little bit hot from the x axis stepper motor, is it normal?
izzudinhafiz
post Mar 23 2016, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 23 2016, 09:19 PM)
i dont know, if that sound appear, it like my whole frame is vibrate, so i change the vref from 0.5 to 0.7 and now my y axis stepper motor is a little bit hot from the x axis stepper motor, is it normal?
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Vref control current flow. so yes, it is normal to get a little hotter. Although you need to monitor how hot it gets. 0.5 to 0.7 jump is quite big actually. thats almost an extra 0.6 amps. cant drop to like 0.6?

Just a question, if you drop from 0.5 to like 0.45 would it make any difference? Whole frame vibrating seems like a resonance issue.
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 23 2016, 09:24 PM)
Vref control current flow. so yes, it is normal to get a little hotter. Although you need to monitor how hot it gets. 0.5 to 0.7 jump is quite big actually. thats almost an extra 0.6 amps. cant drop to like 0.6?

Just a question, if you drop from 0.5 to like 0.45 would it make any difference? Whole frame vibrating seems like a resonance issue.
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0.5-0.4 not good for me
0-5-0.6 also not good, louder when it print solid infill

now on 0.7 something like that if quieter but the motor a little bit warm, can the belt tension cause the motor warm also cause my y axis belt is tight.

i set my x axis vref to 0.5 and it a lot quieter then the y axis, it almost like no sound coming from x axis when it moving.
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 23 2016, 09:50 PM)
0.5-0.4 not good for me
0-5-0.6 also not good, louder when it print solid infill

now on 0.7 something like that if quieter but the motor a little bit warm, can the belt tension cause the motor warm also cause my y axis belt is tight.

i set my x axis vref to 0.5 and it a lot quieter then the y axis, it almost like no sound coming from x axis when it moving.
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shouldnt affect the motor too much. The bearing on those NEMA17 are rated much higher than breaking point of GT2 belts. Y axis is much heavier than X axis is it?
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 23 2016, 10:28 PM)
shouldnt affect the motor too much. The bearing on those NEMA17 are rated much higher than breaking point of GT2 belts. Y axis is much heavier than X axis is it?
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I think so, my y axis is acrylic->pcb->glass
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 23 2016, 10:46 PM)
I think so, my y axis is acrylic->pcb->glass
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owh movable bed design. Yeah alot higher mass and ur X axis is a bowden setup. It should be fine.
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post Mar 24 2016, 02:37 PM

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corexy box project, sudah lama stop sekarang masa untuk siapkan semua

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post Mar 24 2016, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 23 2016, 11:30 PM)
owh movable bed design. Yeah alot higher mass and ur X axis is a bowden setup. It should be fine.
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yea movable bed, prusa i3

i think i already fix my banding issue or atleast 90% of it, by tighten the extruder screw it seem fix my problem doh.gif lol i didnt remember how long i didnt tighten my extruder and i didnt use spring with the screw also

then now i will move to y axis, try to fix and find best vref for my setting
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post Mar 24 2016, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(caduser @ Mar 24 2016, 02:37 PM)
corexy box project, sudah lama stop sekarang masa untuk siapkan semua

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Cool, for me, i not yet figure out how i want my z axis for my new build
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post Mar 24 2016, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 24 2016, 04:36 PM)
yea movable bed, prusa i3

i think i already fix my banding issue or atleast 90% of it, by tighten the extruder screw it seem fix my problem doh.gif  lol i didnt remember how long i didnt tighten my extruder and i didnt use spring with the screw also

then now i will move to y axis, try to fix and find best vref for my setting
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I have a prusa too. I dont like this design tho. Its too wobbly. I cant go above 80mm/s without it shaking too much

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post Mar 24 2016, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 24 2016, 04:40 PM)
I have a prusa too. I dont like this design tho. Its too wobbly. I cant go above 80mm/s without it shaking too much
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I never try 80mm/s on my printer, maybe i should try later doh.gif and see how it go.

what frame do you use for your prusa? mine is acrylic and thanks god i didnt have so much problem with my frame.
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post Mar 25 2016, 10:50 PM

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post Mar 26 2016, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 24 2016, 04:48 PM)
I never try 80mm/s on my printer, maybe i should try later doh.gif  and see how it go.

what frame do you use for your prusa? mine is acrylic and thanks god i didnt have so much problem with my frame.
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aluminum. But without rear braces. like the original prusa i3.

much stronger but it lacks rigidity and the resonance frequency is quite low.
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post Mar 26 2016, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 26 2016, 04:27 AM)
aluminum. But without rear braces. like the original prusa i3.

much stronger but it lacks rigidity and the resonance frequency is quite low.
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you cnc your frame? im searching to cut aluminum for my next printer bed
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post Mar 26 2016, 11:32 AM

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Until now i'm still not getting a good print. Initially thought the bed not even. But i try to turn it upside down still the same issue. Turn the x smooth rod 180 degree, same.
Finally found that is the weight of x carriage cause the head touch the bed at the center.
Going to change to bowden type extruder plus make a support for top lead screw for more stable print.
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post Mar 26 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 26 2016, 09:33 AM)
you cnc your frame? im searching to cut aluminum for my next printer bed
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waterjet cut. cutting fee is around RM 200 for the whole frame. materials another RM 60
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post Mar 26 2016, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Mar 26 2016, 11:32 AM)
Until now i'm still not getting a good print. Initially thought the bed not even. But i try to turn it upside down still the same issue. Turn the x smooth rod 180 degree, same.
Finally found that is the weight of x carriage cause the head touch the bed at the center.
Going to change to bowden type extruder plus make a support for top lead screw for more stable print.
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What is the thickness of the push rod on the X axis? Is it one of the hardened chrome ones or the bare steel ones?

Maybe getting a smaller stepper motor might help.

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Could also be due to the belt tension, bending the push rods.

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post Mar 26 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 26 2016, 04:16 PM)
What is the thickness of the push rod on the X axis? Is it one of the hardened chrome ones or the bare steel ones?

Maybe getting a smaller stepper motor might help.
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CNC mills have this problem too biggrin.gif solution. counterweight http://millhillsupplies.co.uk/wp-content/u.../CNCproj6b1.jpg

of course not as feasible in a 3d printer

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