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Prosperer
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Mar 18 2016, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 18 2016, 10:46 PM) I don't know what that is called What I understand is that there is a slight under extrusion at certain layers, so they look like there are some minor voids making the layers discolored. It is probably caused by the retraction parameters if turned on. I notice if the retraction distance or speed is set too high, it will pull in too much air into the melt chamber and mix with the melted plastic. Then when it extrudes, the air bubbles will cause voids in the layers. If the voids are seen on prints without any gap crossing, then its due to the moisture absorbed into the filament (happens for both PLA and ABS). You have to optimize the retraction setting by printing two cubes spaced apart so there is little stringing but doesn't pull too much air into the melt chamber. Whether its normal or not, if it is little or not noticeable, then its fine but if there are a tons of voids, then that is not normal. I dont know is mine is same or not, if i look at the printed pieces on the eye level then it perfect layer but when look at certain angle then i can see the layer like in the picture, or maybe i just try to find something wrong with my printer
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altan
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Mar 18 2016, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 18 2016, 11:10 PM) I dont know is mine is same or not, if i look at the printed pieces on the eye level then it perfect layer but when look at certain angle then i can see the layer like in the picture, or maybe i just try to find something wrong with my printer  Its good to find fault with the printer since it helps improve the prints. You should do some test to see if it is caused by anything. Probably extruder of hotend related.
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Prosperer
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Mar 18 2016, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 18 2016, 11:17 PM) Its good to find fault with the printer since it helps improve the prints. You should do some test to see if it is caused by anything. Probably extruder of hotend related. Any calibration file do you recommend to see if i really got the problem or im just try to find something to adjust with my printer
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altan
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Mar 19 2016, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 18 2016, 11:27 PM) Any calibration file do you recommend to see if i really got the problem or im just try to find something to adjust with my printer  Normally I just use two hollow cubes placed at a distance and see the effect. Just try out one retraction test in thingiverse. https://www.thingiverse.com/tag:retraction/page:1
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izzudinhafiz
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Mar 19 2016, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 18 2016, 10:11 PM) Is the line show with the blue arrow normal cause my printer also sometimes got lines like that, and do you know what it called? and can we fix it?  Its called banding. A z-axis artifact. I've encountered it alot. In my case it was Z axis wobble from lead screw not being perfectly aligned to its centre of rotation. Try printing a tall cube and see if it bands at regular intervals. If it does its caused by Z wobble. Or it could be caused by your slicer rounding over the microstepping intervals like here http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1465/taxono...axis-artifacts/This post has been edited by izzudinhafiz: Mar 19 2016, 12:51 AM
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Prosperer
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Mar 19 2016, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 19 2016, 12:48 AM) Its called banding. A z-axis artifact. I've encountered it alot. In my case it was Z axis wobble from lead screw not being perfectly aligned to its centre of rotation. Try printing a tall cube and see if it bands at regular intervals. If it does its caused by Z wobble. Or it could be caused by your slicer rounding over the microstepping intervals like here http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1465/taxono...axis-artifacts/Wow, thanks, now i know what im dealing with
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eehtsitna
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Mar 20 2016, 09:39 AM
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Guys! I need help. My extruder arent able to extrude a constant flow of PLA. what seems to the problem here? thanks in advance. Attached thumbnail(s)
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Prosperer
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Mar 20 2016, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Mar 20 2016, 09:39 AM) Guys! I need help. My extruder arent able to extrude a constant flow of PLA. what seems to the problem here? thanks in advance. Check your bed level, do your extruder motor got "click click" sound when extrude away from the bed? if got maybe it time for open and inspect the hotend area
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izzudinhafiz
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Mar 20 2016, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Mar 20 2016, 09:39 AM) Guys! I need help. My extruder arent able to extrude a constant flow of PLA. what seems to the problem here? thanks in advance. Sounds like a dirty hotend. try cleaning it
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Prosperer
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Mar 20 2016, 09:19 PM
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I think i manage to fix 70% my banding issue  left cube is when i print it last week and other two is just been printed just now  thanks to @izzudinhafiz  for mention what kind of issue that my printer has several post b4
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izzudinhafiz
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Mar 20 2016, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 20 2016, 09:19 PM) I think i manage to fix 70% my banding issue  left cube is when i print it last week and other two is just been printed just now  thanks to @izzudinhafiz  for mention what kind of issue that my printer has several post b4 Glad you solved it. What was the issue causing it and how did u fix it?
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altan
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Mar 21 2016, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 20 2016, 09:19 PM) I think i manage to fix 70% my banding issue  left cube is when i print it last week and other two is just been printed just now  thanks to @izzudinhafiz   for mention what kind of issue that my printer has several post b4 That is definitely caused by z-axis wobble. Mine on the other hand you highlighted is not caused by z-axis wobble rather it is cause by over retraction from the retraction parameters. QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Mar 20 2016, 09:39 AM) Guys! I need help. My extruder arent able to extrude a constant flow of PLA. what seems to the problem here? thanks in advance. Time to clean out your nozzle. This post has been edited by altan: Mar 21 2016, 12:08 AM
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Prosperer
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Mar 21 2016, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 20 2016, 11:51 PM) Glad you solved it. What was the issue causing it and how did u fix it? i realign both of the z axis rods straight with the nema shaft and make the upper parts of the rods spin freely
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Prosperer
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Mar 21 2016, 01:15 AM
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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 21 2016, 12:07 AM) That is definitely caused by z-axis wobble. Mine on the other hand you highlighted is not caused by z-axis wobble rather it is cause by over retraction from the retraction parameters. Time to clean out your nozzle. I dont know bout the wobble cause i didnt see any z axis wobble artifacts on the corner of my cube, so i think i got problem with banding issue
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izzudinhafiz
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Mar 21 2016, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 21 2016, 01:15 AM) I dont know bout the wobble cause i didnt see any z axis wobble artifacts on the corner of my cube, so i think i got problem with banding issue the banding is caused by wobbles. Idk how to simplify this. Its all related to trigonometry. A shaft that is not vertical is shorter than a perfectly vertical shaft. When the z axis wobbles, ie the lead screw rotates out of align, it creates an angled line (not vertical). Hence the position of the gantry doesnt move up as high as the slicer think it has. The banding is also periodical, because the lead screw is always out of alignment the same way every rotation!
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Prosperer
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Mar 21 2016, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 21 2016, 01:26 AM) the banding is caused by wobbles. Idk how to simplify this. Its all related to trigonometry. A shaft that is not vertical is shorter than a perfectly vertical shaft. When the z axis wobbles, ie the lead screw rotates out of align, it creates an angled line (not vertical). Hence the position of the gantry doesnt move up as high as the slicer think it has. The banding is also periodical, because the lead screw is always out of alignment the same way every rotation! I thought wobble is something like when you google "z wobble" you will see something similar like the images result, and from what i read these past 2 days, banding can be cause by z axis wobble, heatbed and x or y axis also
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Drian
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Mar 21 2016, 06:52 PM
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FYI you can also have Banding on the X/Y axis, you can see wavy lines periodically. It's obvious when running direct drive at high speed. Eg:- http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7605&start=75This post has been edited by Drian: Mar 21 2016, 07:08 PM
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Drian
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Mar 21 2016, 07:15 PM
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Does anyone know how much would a custom CNC/lasercut Acrylic cost for 3d printer casing ? maybe a 3-4mm thickness will do since it is just a cover. So, was thinking on how to make my casing cheaper and then the ikea sale ad was on radio, then it struck me , anyone here made a casing out of ikea cabinet? Thinking of using this http://www.ikea.com/my/en/catalog/products...0246/#/20280245and this as the glass door http://www.ikea.com/my/en/catalog/products...3937/#/10273938i
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Prosperer
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Mar 21 2016, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 21 2016, 06:52 PM) FYI you can also have Banding on the X/Y axis, you can see wavy lines periodically. It's obvious when running direct drive at high speed. Eg:- http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7605&start=75That what i learn these past 2 days, actually someone on which forum ( i didnt remember) told that wobble and banding is different thing, banding can be cause by heatbed also. and now i think mine is problem with y axis, cause front and back surface got little artifact but right side of the cube is something else and the banding line is not on the same layer with front and back surface
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Prosperer
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Mar 21 2016, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 21 2016, 07:15 PM) Does anyone know how much would a custom CNC/lasercut Acrylic cost for 3d printer casing ? maybe a 3-4mm thickness will do since it is just a cover. So, was thinking on how to make my casing cheaper and then the ikea sale ad was on radio, then it struck me , anyone here made a casing out of ikea cabinet? Thinking of using this http://www.ikea.com/my/en/catalog/products...0246/#/20280245and this as the glass door http://www.ikea.com/my/en/catalog/products...3937/#/10273938i Finished your build already?
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