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izzudinhafiz
post Mar 14 2016, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 14 2016, 04:31 PM)
I have ideas of trying out dissolvable filaments but could not find a local supplier for both materials.

I don't know about printing in PVA but it is said PVA is really difficult to store due to the hygroscopic property, especially in our humid environment. Since support material not need to be nice but I wonder what the humidity can do to the material. Maybe it will cause the PVA to spit water vapour during prints.

It would be great support with PLA and Flexible filaments since they droop during prints. ABS bridging seems good without fan for me so I doubt it needs dissolvable support.

About storing filaments, I had issues with storing black ABS as it forms pores on the print surface due to water vapour. Apparently the black pigment is the cause as the pigment is hygroscopic. I have to bake the black ABS in an oven for a few hours just to improve the print quality.
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i have a humidity chamber for my DSLRs. i've been keeping my filaments in there! they work great in stopping moisture ingress. you shud try getting a cheap one smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2016, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 14 2016, 04:44 PM)
i have a humidity chamber for my DSLRs. i've been keeping my filaments in there! they work great in stopping moisture ingress. you shud try getting a cheap one smile.gif
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Good suggestion, now need to clear some space and find one cheap one. smile.gif I thought of making a dry box using an array of thirsty hippo.
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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 14 2016, 05:04 PM)
Good suggestion, now need to clear some space and find one cheap one.  smile.gif  I thought of making a dry box using an array of thirsty hippo.
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give it a whirl. Cost me nothing cause i already had it tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2016, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 14 2016, 05:31 PM)
give it a whirl. Cost me nothing cause i already had it tongue.gif
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Share picture bro or maybe link where you get it tongue.gif
izzudinhafiz
post Mar 15 2016, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 14 2016, 06:16 PM)
Share picture bro or maybe link where you get it tongue.gif
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I am at Uni right now. dont have a pict. http://www.amazon.com/electronic-automatic...y/dp/B00870N90S

something like that link. and you can get it at any camera shop

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Drian
post Mar 15 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 12 2016, 02:41 AM)
PETG has higher working temp than PLA and does not warp compared to ABS. Apparently, it is claimed that it takes the best properties of both PLA and ABS while having high strength and flexibility.

You can read more about it by searching about Taulman Tech-G PETG filaments. There are some blogs and 3d news saying good things about it.
http://3d-printizer.com/blog/?p=268
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/10/30/t...ilament-tech-g/

I heard it is easier to print like PLA as compared to nylon and ABS but I have not tried them yet since I just got the filaments yesterday. So, I can't comment further on a material I just got but I have seen really impressive samples made with PETG.

Only cons is the difficult support removal.
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Do post a review.
Will probably need it when I'm done with the whole prototype.

Just finished my XY axis and now moving to Z axis.
Problem with hiwin rails is that there are not many designs out there using it and therefore have to design myself and I can't leech on anyone's design
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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 14 2016, 05:04 PM)
Good suggestion, now need to clear some space and find one cheap one.  smile.gif  I thought of making a dry box using an array of thirsty hippo.
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Wouldn't it be easier just to use those vacuum bag from daiso and put it together with the thirsty hippo. Use the vacuum cleaner to suck the air out. No air , no chance for any moisture to get in.


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post Mar 15 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 15 2016, 09:25 AM)
Do post a review.
Will probably need it when I'm done with the whole prototype.

Just finished my XY axis and now moving to Z axis.
Problem with hiwin rails is that there are not many designs out there using it and therefore have to design myself and I can't leech on anyone's design
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Definitely will put a short review about PETG. Currently can't find the time to experiment with it now. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 15 2016, 09:27 AM)
Wouldn't it be easier just to use those vacuum bag from daiso and put it together with the thirsty hippo. Use the vacuum cleaner to suck the air out. No air , no chance for any moisture to get in.
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I have tried using vacuum bags and its quite effective for long term storage. Though it requires vacuuming every few months just to maintain the vacuum but the plastic material is very fragile. It easily gets punctured after vacuum due to poor handling and sharp edges in the bag. That's why the vacuum bags are designed for clothes and soft material. I have to be very careful with the bags and breaking vacuum several times just to get one spool out of half a dozen isn't very convenient.

I have not tried thirsty hippo in vacuum but would be great if I can find a large vacuum seal box for it. biggrin.gif

I think the moisture would be pulled out of the drying agent in vacuum.
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post Mar 15 2016, 01:26 PM

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14hrs printing with abs without bottom wrapping smile.gif really proud with my printer right now and it my first time printing something that take that long thumbup.gif

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post Mar 15 2016, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 15 2016, 01:26 PM)
14hrs printing with abs without bottom wrapping  smile.gif  really proud with my printer right now and it my first time printing something that take that long  thumbup.gif

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Really nice print there! drool.gif Is that a scanned model or hand modeled?

Your heated bed must have been set really high to minimize the warping. Does not appear to have used brim which I have to use in all my ABS print to prevent warping. hmm.gif

Your 3D printer is enclosed in a box or was it printed in the open?

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post Mar 15 2016, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 15 2016, 04:20 PM)
Really nice print there!  drool.gif Is that a scanned model or hand modeled?

Your heated bed must have been set really high to minimize the warping. Does not appear to have used brim which I have to use in all my ABS print to prevent warping.  hmm.gif

Your 3D printer is enclosed in a box or was it printed in the open?
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That is my customer uncle that he design i dont know with what program, he even show me the picture, and i glad it look the same thumbup.gif

i set my heated bed 110C usually i print abs around 100-110C for longer print i choose 110C

my printer is open and i just block the back, upper and side with cardbox doh.gif

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post Mar 15 2016, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 15 2016, 05:16 PM)
That is my customer uncle that he design i dont know with what program, he even show me the picture, and i glad it look the same thumbup.gif

i set my heated bed 110C usually i print abs around 100-110C for longer print i choose 110C

my printer is open and i just block the back, upper and side with cardbox doh.gif
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That uncle must be a pro at modeling or he got someone to design it for him.

Lucky you can manage 110C unlike mine which maxes out to 90C in a really hot and unventilated room. sweat.gif

laugh.gif I would have also thought of using cardboard as cover and heat insulator...
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post Mar 15 2016, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 15 2016, 06:04 PM)
That uncle must be a pro at modeling or he got someone to design it for him.

Lucky you can manage 110C unlike mine which maxes out to 90C in a really hot and unventilated room.  sweat.gif

laugh.gif I would have also thought of using cardboard as cover and heat insulator...
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hahaha, i meant that the guy create the model is using zbrush( or something brush) if im not mistaken and he create his uncle 3d model for me to print rclxub.gif

I already print 2 design for him and he said there more for me to print thumbup.gif and i hope he will become my regular customer

what printer do you use and why limit at 90C only? not enough amp?

edit: and my heat bed setting is cardboard that i wrap with aluminum foil below the heatbed itself in the middle and aluminum or glass platform above i can reach 100C in 5min if i cover all side of my printer except front side

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post Mar 15 2016, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 15 2016, 06:33 PM)
hahaha, i meant that the guy create the model is using zbrush( or something brush) if im not mistaken and he create his uncle 3d model for me to print rclxub.gif

I already print 2 design for him and he said there more for me to print  thumbup.gif  and i hope he will become my regular customer

what printer do you use and why limit at 90C only? not enough amp?

edit: and my heat bed setting is cardboard that i wrap with aluminum foil below the heatbed itself in the middle and aluminum or glass platform above i can reach 100C in 5min if i cover all side of my printer except front side
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Should be Zbrush, I don't know how to use that but I heard it's something to do with sculpting.

Good that you are getting regulars thumbsup.gif

It's a Printrbot Simple Metal and the heatbed is a large heat sink causing the heat from the heater plate to disperse everywhere. If the room fan is running, I would max out to about 75C but without it its about 90C. I have a dedicated solid state switch with its own dedicated power supply for the heater bed but the internal resistance is higher compared to the MK2B heter plate. It takes me about 15 min to reach 90C. I thought of covering up with cardboard but my table is too small even for the printer itself. doh.gif
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post Mar 15 2016, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 15 2016, 06:55 PM)
Should be Zbrush, I don't know how to use that but I heard it's something to do with sculpting.

Good that you are getting regulars  thumbsup.gif

It's a Printrbot Simple Metal and the heatbed is a large heat sink causing the heat from the heater plate to disperse everywhere. If the room fan is running, I would max out to about 75C but without it its about 90C. I have a dedicated solid state switch with its own dedicated power supply for the heater bed but the internal resistance is higher compared to the MK2B heter plate. It takes me about 15 min to reach 90C. I thought of covering up with cardboard but my table is too small even for the printer itself.  doh.gif
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Do you install the heatbed on the pb metal?

i have a problem doh.gif someone just email me sketchup file and i use freecad for design my project and it can't import skp files, any easy way to convert skp file to stl file?
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post Mar 16 2016, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 15 2016, 08:25 PM)
Do you install the heatbed on the pb metal?

i have a problem doh.gif  someone just email me sketchup file and i use freecad for design my project and it can't import skp files, any easy way to convert skp file to stl file?
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The heatbed is an addon, comes with a thicker aluminum bed.

Just like me, go get Sketchup. laugh.gif

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post Mar 16 2016, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(altan @ Mar 16 2016, 12:42 AM)
The heatbed is an addon, comes with a thicker aluminum bed.

Just like me, go get Sketchup.  laugh.gif
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Maybe you should make heated chamber for your printer and of course all the electronic outside, maybe it will take less time and probably will go up to 100C
i already install sketchup with playonlinux but it too buggy so i rarely use it and the files i received earlier didnt even open when i import it, so i ask the sender send me other files with different extension .obj and .dae
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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 16 2016, 01:27 AM)
Maybe you should make heated chamber for your printer and of course all the electronic outside, maybe it will take less time and probably will go up to 100C
i already install sketchup with playonlinux but it too buggy so i rarely use it and the files i received earlier didnt even open when i import it, so i ask the sender send me other files with different extension .obj and .dae
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That works too, asking for other file format or just ask for the .stl file directly. Sketchup can export to .stl format after downloading and installing the .stl exporter from their extension warehouse. I wonder why don't they just implement the exporter in Sketchup doh.gif

Finally my next printer is working and giving good result. I have to hack it quite a bit to get it working.

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post Mar 16 2016, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(Prosperer @ Mar 15 2016, 08:25 PM)
Do you install the heatbed on the pb metal?

i have a problem doh.gif  someone just email me sketchup file and i use freecad for design my project and it can't import skp files, any easy way to convert skp file to stl file?
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Just a little 3D design quirk that I must share. biggrin.gif There's a reason Sketchup doesnt export stl. STLs are solid data, called NURBS. Sketchup creates polygon meshes. Both of which are not the same thing. Yes you may be able to get away converting SKP to STL sometime. But any difficult or complex shapes may fail to correctly convert.

Just sharing in case you print for 15 hours and discover incorrect geometries. Learned this the hard way when trying to do windtunnel simulations with mesh data converted to STLs. Ended up chasing my own tail for weeks!

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post Mar 16 2016, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Mar 16 2016, 04:31 AM)
Just a little 3D design quirk that I must share. biggrin.gif There's a reason Sketchup doesnt export stl. STLs are solid data, called NURBS. Sketchup creates polygon meshes. Both of which are not the same thing. Yes you may be able to get away converting SKP to STL sometime. But any difficult or complex shapes may fail to correctly convert.

Just sharing in case you print for 15 hours and discover incorrect geometries. Learned this the hard way when trying to do windtunnel simulations with mesh data converted to STLs. Ended up chasing my own tail for weeks!
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Seems to make sense now but all this time never really notice the difference when I work with Blender and exporting to .stl. biggrin.gif

That is why is always good practice to check the slicer simulation/layer by layer view to make sure prints turn out accordingly.

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