Bro, I did mention you can't do macro shots right? If thats your primary function for the phone then grab a cheap N8 if you can find one. My N8 with Belle runs great with just 1 issue, it's the 1st Symbian ^3 phone so it's got a tiny C drive that is driving me mad!

Update: You can check this article out on AllAboutSymbian on 701 EDOF camera here

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 8 2012, 10:52 AM

I can't be sure but there is a N900 app called Calligra which can edit MS Office documents. It may be ported to N9 one day, I hope. The problem is that the N900 community has mostly refused to transition to the N9 because they felt betrayed by Nokia for discontinuing the Maemo project. However this is changing as their N900 is no longer in production and will get less and less through attrition.

Another hope is for commercial developers to port apps like SmartOffice or Polaris to N9 eventually when the installed base of N9 gets bigger and it is clear that MeeGo is not DoA.

Good info there; Yes, that's how I see it too, to sit between iOS and Android, but if we put in MeeGo, it's a better choice; It's just sad that it was abandon and born pre-maturely. It has many potential, when it matures, it can easily outclass all the other OS, it has the smoothness and reliability of iOS, it can also be more flexible and powerful than Android (they should add a proper Desktop homescreen on MeeGo as it matures, it can be an option for user who prefers it).

As for the reason about "strips all the complexity out & make it simple as possible to do something". If the complexity you mean is the power and flexibility, then I STRONGLY DISAGREE this part.
I'm a software developer myself, this is SO WRONG. you don't STRIP, you MAKE IT SIMPLE but still maintain what it can do.
Example:
Photoshop is a powerful tool, complex, etc. You don't STRIP away what it can do to, you make things simple and provide easy access to features, make it more user/beginner friendly.
Cameras can be very complex, but you don't STRIP away, you make easy access or functions for users, like "SCENE modes", "Intelligent Auto", etc.
In you talk about iOS and Windows Phone, the OS is like removing everything, and only provide you with AUTO and SCENE modes.
That is so wrong to me and it's not the way... BUT think about it... in a way, it benefits them:
1. User will never improve and advance, they will rely on it.
2. When they touch something more complex, they can't cope and will not use it. HARD FACTS: Change is hard. (somemore trying something new)
This way, in a way, they will make their users stick to them (except those that will explore and want freedom or soemething more).

Yes, not a bad design, but many people dislike this idea. It makes the design of the phone nicer, but make people still don't like it because you remove their freedom to replace battery; Or when the device refuse to start, you have no options to remove the battery and try another battery, and so many other reasons.

It were used by Nokia before, iPhone too. Later Nokia have autofocus is most (if not all) their high end devices. I think in somewhere sometimes, there were talk/critisize about iPhone's EDOF.
If not wrong, Jobs gives lame excuses like "it's fast, there's no need to waste time to focus" or something like that.
That's just plain lame.
First of all, auto-focus is a feature, you should made it available and let user to turn it OFF or ON. It should also have options like "only capture when focus is lock, or you can capture even not lock" which is for continuous auto-focus mode. Even with those that have no option, I simply just switch to LANDSCAPE mode, it works like EDOF........

Somehow later, Nokia adop EDOF on the E7, which looks like the N8 but with qwerty.
Then, they give the similar lame reasoning.

Yes it's very wrong to us to remove power & flexibility, I myself am a software developer. But to the general public they don't need this power & flexibility. You also kind of answered yourself there with the camera example, most ppl would just like to shoot a pic, no need to fiddle with settings to get a 'right' pic. Like I said, it wasn't targetted at us geeks.

Never had a prob to be honest. The hold power button to off worked everytime for me. Maybe ppl just aren't informed.


Oh I didn't realise Apple used it . But again this is another thing that I see as helping the majority of consumers in the Nokia phones. EDOF wasn't just in E7, it's in C7, X7, E6, 700 & 701.

Next week, N9 wassap to be ready for testing ?



sos : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1175967&postcount=142


N900 to follows : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1175973&postcount=144

Yes, but I didn't say need to remove the power & flexibility

You see even compact camera, they still give more features/options instead of just "Auto" and "Scene mode"; Even if people only use "Auto" or "Scene mode", doesn't mean there is need to remove others or in other words, don't let people learn and explore and you pay the same amount with of without.

To make OS simple, they can turn OFF advance mode, or turn off this and that by default. Let the user decide what they want.
Don't like homescreen? Just turn it off.
Don't want background task running? Just turn it off, or have options to control by apps.
When designing a software, all these are pretty basic.

Not as simple as that. There is cases where the device "hang" or "not responding". Holding the power button does nothing.
For iPhone I think you need to hold power and home button combination for X seconds, which will trigger the the force shutdown.
For Lumia 800, you need to press the vol down and power button, I think.

Even so, if let's say the battery have problem. You have no idea and have no option to replace it.
Imagine this, with Windows Phone, you add your social network accounts, emails, etc. Your device suddenly fail to start. You can't remove the battery and replace with another to try.
You can't remove the battery for few seconds/minute to reset the internal memory or something.

If it's just battery, supposedly it's simple, but now it's not; Your only option... send in. What's the big deal?
You can't do hard reset, etc. --> When they replace your battery, they start your device, wallah, they can access your email, your social network accounts, etc, your personal files, your photos/videos, etc.

Yes I know, just saying the scenario above about the time when the "excuse" given by Jobs and Nokia was saying about auto-focus, then later suddenly E7 comes with EDOF, and then give similar "excuse".

Hate to have that device, the only thing i love is the qwerty keyboard, very sleek & comfortable. E7 EDOF really sux to use it, its a downgrade camera. If for "end user" they cant tell the difference, but we know EDOF brings cons more than pros.

Don't forget, you can't carry a spare battery if the battery is non-replaceable by user.

As batteries have a fixed lifespan it is another way for manufacturers to make more money by forcing users to send to them for battery replacement.

Look at the design of the N8. It is actually a simple matter to replace the battery once you get the cover off but they have to put torx screws to discourage users. Very mean.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 8 2012, 11:56 AM

Zachary22, if you go to Nokia support forum, you will find a lot of complaints on the EDOF camera. Cos E72 could do close up shots for documents but the newer E6 cannot. As business it considered disadvantage if dont have that capability(acts like scanner) esp if predecessor hv it.

I hv the E6 but not E72, if not I think I will also complain like them

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 8 2012, 11:58 AM

Actually, I don't see pros.
With N8, N9, you can set it to landscape mode which works like EDOF.

Basically, EDOF is missing the auo-focus or focusing capability, it's locked.
With auto-focus, we have options to select our focus or adjust it.

When I last checked, the Lumia800 is selling cheaper than the N9. So what's the latest price for N9 Ori set?

Sure or not? Just tried and I can auto focus on a document in landscape mode.

N9 16GB is RM1550 by Low Yat seller.

Anyway you shouldn't choose a smartphone based on price as the main criteria. The OS between MeeGo and WP7 is as different as chalk and cheese.

How to autofocus in landscape mode?
Landscape mode doesn't have the focus box. You press and hold the on screen shutter also nothing happens.

Press and hold on the on-screen focus box [ ]. You mean yours don't have it?

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 8 2012, 12:27 PM

im here already twice change the screen protector.....first one only cover the touch area....second cover almost the whole screen but wont stick on the curved area.....

anyone know what brand that cover the whole screen properly?

This post has been edited by wansirpunk: Mar 8 2012, 12:30 PM

Are you using Landscape "SCENE" mode.

Not orientation Landscape/Portrait, lol

i dont get the point y u need screen protector, if its N9, it comes with gorilla glass. if u insist to stick screen protector, u need to use hair dryer while sticking the screen protector which i think that's a lame & bad idea

Should have made yourself clear. LOL!

nobody sexcited with whatsapp N9 availability on next week. lol