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 Nokia N9 - V03 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Mar 7 2012, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 7 2012, 05:03 PM)
Not sure, someone just mentioned this bug to me as well.

The Lumia 800 currently have battery issue, if ON data, it will drain very fast even no activity.  I can feel the phone a bit warm in sleep mode.
When no data, on WIFI, there is no battery drain issue then someone told me about the Wi-Fi bug, I'm not sure as I THINK I still can receive email, need to re-confirm this. But there's an update for Lumia 800, so it may have solve this bug? Not sure, but it should solve the battery drain issue.
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Actually it an OS feature, not a Lumia bug. Look at this:
http://dailymobile.se/2012/02/20/nokia-nee...-keep-its-base/

3rd para from bottom.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 7 2012, 06:05 PM)
So to recap. With N9,
1. you can have use Window Explorer to select file/copy/cut/paste to your pc?
2. You can use Bluetooth to send files to other bluetooth?
3. Does N9 has Swype?

But you can't do the above with Lumia 800.
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Yup, all yes. Plus I really love Swype inside N9 since it has built in with Malay words tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 7 2012, 06:28 PM)
Lol, I havent found anyone who also uses NFC enabled phone in my circle. Only the latest models have NFC right?(any brand). NFC also cannot use to copy to laptop or PC, not yet. Good to be equipped, customers want info, ok, plug in, copy, efficient, hahaha
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only among nokia phones i guess, not sure if xperia s support transferring file via nfc (erm... the file is actually transferred through bluetooth, nfc is just used to initiate the transfer).
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post Mar 7 2012, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 7 2012, 06:05 PM)
So to recap. With N9,
1. you can have use Window Explorer to select file/copy/cut/paste to your pc?
2. You can use Bluetooth to send files to other bluetooth?
3. Does N9 has Swype?

But you can't do the above with Lumia 800.
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Basically N9 (MeeGo Harmattan) can be considered the most flexible and least restrictive compared to iOS, Windows Phone and Android.
So, you have least to worry for N9 (MeeGo Harmattan). The only thing is, if you compare apps and games, then N9 have very little and currently no WhatsApp. BUT, actually many apps/games, is not important, what's important is to have those useful and popular apps/games, especially those which you really need.
For most people, they will need WhatsApp;

Officially, WhatsApp isn't not available for N9, but there is someone working around to bring it over unofficially.


Added on March 7, 2012, 8:44 pm
QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 7 2012, 06:30 PM)
Actually it an OS feature, not a Lumia bug. Look at this:
http://dailymobile.se/2012/02/20/nokia-nee...-keep-its-base/

3rd para from bottom.
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Hm... I see, but I didn't have any SIM card back then; I can't remember if the mail I receive during sleep/lock mode or not. Need to wait till I get the device only can test and confirm.

Anyway, that's a good article to point out some silly simple problems of Windows Phone, which some I don't think Nokia can do anything. If comparing with Symbian/MeeGo, there'll be so much to list, LoL...


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QUOTE(kitter @ Mar 7 2012, 02:24 PM)
I have done soft and hard reset.
Problem still there.
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i try relflash also no fix my issue until i perfrom (setting>reset>clear Device) magically my problem gone.
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Apps/games is the weak point of MeeGo now but when (not if) they succeed in porting Android 4 to N9, it will be a most desirable device.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 7 2012, 09:10 PM)
Apps/games is the weak point of MeeGo now but when (not if) they succeed in porting Android 4 to N9, it will be a most desirable device.
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QUOTE(del85 @ Mar 7 2012, 11:10 AM)
Anyone know why my n9 cannot connect to my wifi after i turn off wifi hot spot? I have to reboot my n9 to make connection with my wifi access point. Hmmmm....i think this problem solve after 1.2, but it still give me the same result. If anyone here knows to encounter this problem, kindly give me the solution. Thanks.
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snce its ad hoc, remove the connection from your laptop or n9
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Hi, people. I'm proudly informing you people that I own a black 16GB Nokia N9, bought it on February 8th. I've updated that boy to PR1.2 about 10 days ago and I just came to that there's a bug. The problem is only one, it always lags for 3-4 seconds when scrolling through contacts/messages/search apps. I find this very bothering me. If anyone could offer to help to solve this, I'd fondly accept that effort of yours.
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QUOTE(Rockeymaru @ Mar 8 2012, 01:18 AM)
Hi, people. I'm proudly informing you people that I own a black 16GB Nokia N9, bought it on February 8th. I've updated that boy to PR1.2 about 10 days ago and I just came to that there's a bug. The problem is only one, it always lags for 3-4 seconds when scrolling through contacts/messages/search apps. I find this very bothering me. If anyone could offer to help to solve this, I'd fondly accept that effort of yours.
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happens to me too, but is this bug? not sure because adapted to it haha
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I don't understand why Nokia went with micro SIM card. I have a N8 and I want to swap phone every now and then now what?

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 8 2012, 01:22 AM)
happens to me too, but is this bug? not sure because adapted to it haha
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Happens to everyone I think. A 'feature' of MeeGo perhaps. Like u I got used to it. Hehe. This happens only when u first start those apps but if u leave them in background then go back to them it's fine. So from what I can see it's just loading things & this is the lag you see.


QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 8 2012, 07:07 AM)
I don't understand why Nokia went with micro SIM card. I have a N8 and I want to swap phone every now and then now what?
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Get a micro sim adaptor, very cheap. If you use 2 phones like me, N8 & N9, cut both sim cards to micro sim, then use adaptor for micro sim on N8, swap around as necessary. Nokia used micro sim to save space.
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Guess who was the first to use micro-SIM?

Apple, in the mistaken belief that it will stop iphone users changing networks. Actually micro-SIM doesn't save much space in a mobile, it is just a nuisance. Nowadays some companies like to follow Apple's bad features. Microsoft of course is a big follower. I don't know why Nokia made N9 micro-SIM.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 8 2012, 08:27 AM)
Guess who was the first to use micro-SIM?

Apple, in the mistaken belief that it will stop iphone users changing networks. Actually micro-SIM doesn't save much space in a mobile, it is just a nuisance. Nowadays some companies like to follow Apple's bad features. Microsoft of course is a big follower. I don't know why Nokia made N9 micro-SIM.
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Yes we all know that bro. But that was wat, 4 years ago that Apple started using it? It's not an Apple standard, it's a universal one just no one else use it until recently. Microsoft don't make phones liau eh, they never mandated micro sim on WP. Other WP manufacturers never used it. The designer of N9 specifically mentioned this was used to save space also. Though why it was used on Lumia 710 that only Nokia knows. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Rockeymaru @ Mar 8 2012, 01:18 AM)
Hi, people. I'm proudly informing you people that I own a black 16GB Nokia N9, bought it on February 8th. I've updated that boy to PR1.2 about 10 days ago and I just came to that there's a bug. The problem is only one, it always lags for 3-4 seconds when scrolling through contacts/messages/search apps. I find this very bothering me. If anyone could offer to help to solve this, I'd fondly accept that effort of yours.
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Have u hard reset after update? If not that your answer
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 8 2012, 07:07 AM)
I don't understand why Nokia went with micro SIM card. I have a N8 and I want to swap phone every now and then now what?
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Well, you know. Because iPhone got famous, everyone starts to follow what it do BLINDLY. I guess it's fail management mainly. Instead of taking the GOODS and dropping the BADS, they take EVERYTHING (good example: Windows Phone)

It's not just micro-SIM; iPhone got no homescreen, some OS also try to follow suit. Epic Fail.
The main reason iPhone got no homescreen is because it was not a smartphone OS or mobile computer to begin it. It was never a smartphone, it you trace it's ancestor, you will find that it as iPod! Yeah baybeh! MP3 Player.
Then as technology moves on, we have multimedia player with big display to play videos, etc. and then touchscreen, there you got it, iPod Touch.
Suddenly, they want to venture into phone, so, add in the phone feature, yay, it change the world, iPhone!
Thus, it never have those mobile computer traits or requirements, etc. that's why no bluetooth file transfer, must use iTunes! This and that restrictions, etc.

Now, in the first place, why in the world did Windows Phone copied iPhone?
So, is Windows Phone a evolution from the Zune Media Player????? A new evolved Zune Media Player with Phone feature? If so, then where is Windows Mobile replacement?


QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 8 2012, 08:27 AM)
Guess who was the first to use micro-SIM?

Apple, in the mistaken belief that it will stop iphone users changing networks. Actually micro-SIM doesn't save much space in a mobile, it is just a nuisance. Nowadays some companies like to follow Apple's bad features. Microsoft of course is a big follower. I don't know why Nokia made N9 micro-SIM.
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It's really weird and hard to reason when manufacturers copied something that is BAD from another successful product, AS IF, they don't know how to differentiate the GOODS and the BADS; Just because it's successful, then just FOLLOW, without differentiating.
Not just micro-SIM, same goes for non-user replaceable battery; what else? EDOF on E7?

QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 8 2012, 08:42 AM)
Yes we all know that bro. But that was wat, 4 years ago that Apple started using it? It's not an Apple standard, it's a universal one just no one else use it until recently. Microsoft don't make phones liau eh, they never mandated micro sim on WP. Other WP manufacturers never used it. The designer of N9 specifically mentioned this was used to save space also. Though why it was used on Lumia 710 that only Nokia knows.  hmm.gif
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No need to be an Apple standard. When they introduced iPhone, they have successfully changed the world.
They set new standard and change how and what is mobile computer phone (aka smartphone). Before that, Pocket PC --> Windows Mobile, Symbian, etc all were aiming to provide a better mobile computer experience, a true mobile computer (pocket sized computer; hence Pocket PC); But then, iPhone came.....
Hence why,... many professionals disregard iPhone as a smartphone; In the first place, it's not even one, it's just an iPod Touch with added Phone feature.

But then, for the general public, they don't really need a smartphone (as in mobile computer), especially back then, most people are still not computer literate and cannot even use a computer properly. Hence, a simple phone that can play music, videos is good enough, a multimedia player which also support apps/games.
Who really need a mobile computer anyway? Most people take their smartphone to play games, and some apps for social networking.



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Well, I won't go so far as to say iphone is not a smartphone. What makes a phone smart is the smart apps and ios has many smart apps, no? Of course it is not a mobile computer but it is primarily a PHONE, not a pocket computer.

The closest to a pocket computer now is an Android phone. You can do almost anything on it that you can do on a PC. The main requirement is a desktop web browser (like Firefox) with flashplayer and MS Office editor. Our N9 is getting to that level soon. WP7 will never make it to the club. It will forever be a "not-so-smart" PHONE.
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Hi sifu Andy. Big rant there. I generally agree with your rant. Let me just add in somemore.

WP7 wasn't meant to replace Windows Mobile. As you've mentioned, it started out from Zune Music player. They went with clean slate approach for making a new mobile phone OS with no input from the Windows Mobile ppl. Basically a new perspective, fresh set of eyes & ideas approach. Of course you'll notice there's a lot of iPhone traits in there but at the same time it's also very different. The approach though is the same, strip all complexity out & make it as simple as possible to do something. Of course for us who are used to Symbian/Windows Mobile this will come as a shock, but quite honestly it wasn't meant to target us. It's meant to be a 3rd choice in between the iPhone & Android, to sit in the middle & show that there's another way, maybe better way to do things. Though honestly this is mostly targeted at ppl who have not used Symbian/Windows Mobile. In this regard, WP7 actually is very good & succeeds in my opinion. Go to Youtube & search for those 'Smoked by Windows Phones' videos, you'll be surprised how good it is.

Non-user replaceable battery is not a bad design trait to me, but what happens when sometimes you explore different materials to use to make a phone chassis. I applaud Nokia for daring to be different to try other materials even though I ended up with 2 phones that have non-user replaceable battery. U now see other ppl start to copy Nokia designs instead. laugh.gif

I thought EDOF cameras are only used by Nokia? Actually it's not bad at all. I've recommended 2 colleagues to get Nokia 701 & my sis to get Nokia E6, all with EDOF cameras. Surprisingly they all loved the camera & I've seen the pics they've taken. EDOF also takes idiot-proof videos since everything is clear & in focus all the time. No focus hunting. Of course u can't do macro shots but none of them are complaining at all.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 8 2012, 09:59 AM)
The closest to a pocket computer now is an Android phone. You can do almost anything on it that you can do on a PC. The main requirement is a desktop web browser (like Firefox) with flashplayer and MS Office editor. Our N9 is getting to that level soon. WP7 will never make it to the club. It will forever be a "not-so-smart" PHONE.
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One of the thing holding me back from N9 is the lack of a Office document editor. So you sure about this?

I have slowly moving away from Lumia 800 because you can't use Window Explorer to copy&paste file and transfer between phone and PC.


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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 8 2012, 10:36 AM)
I thought EDOF cameras are only used by Nokia? Actually it's not bad at all. I've recommended 2 colleagues to get Nokia 701 & my sis to get Nokia E6, all with EDOF cameras. Surprisingly they all loved the camera & I've seen the pics they've taken. EDOF also takes idiot-proof videos since everything is clear & in focus all the time. No focus hunting. Of course u can't do macro shots but none of them are complaining at all.
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I was actually thinking of the 701 because I am familiar with Belle but EDOF is precisely the reason why I dropped the idea. I take a lot of photo of document and what is the use if the text comes out all blur?

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 8 2012, 09:59 AM)
Well, I won't go so far as to say iphone is not a smartphone. What makes a phone smart is the smart apps and ios has many smart apps, no? Of course it is not a mobile computer but it is primarily a PHONE, not a pocket computer.

The closest to a pocket computer now is an Android phone. You can do almost anything on it that you can do on a PC. The main requirement is a desktop web browser (like Firefox) with flashplayer and MS Office editor. Our N9 is getting to that level soon. WP7 will never make it to the club. It will forever be a "not-so-smart" PHONE.
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Well, before iPhone, a smartphone purpose was to become a mobile computer, a pocket computer. Hence, last time the big debate smartphone vs non-smart/dumbphone, people always talk about having a phone with computer capability, etc.

iPhone really change the public's perception, that's mainly because most of the general public are not computer literate or don't know how to differentiate, or can say, it's not important to them; Most of them, as long as it can play videos, music, web browsing, and install apps/games, is good enough. This you don't need a mobile computer or smartphone, you can make do with a multimedia player like iPod Touch, or some others which was never classified as a mobile computer.

Anyway, for MOST IT Professionals, they won't regard iPhone as smartphone; My colleague went to SG, in SG almost everyone carries iPhone, but the IT staff there, none of them carries iPhone, they don't regard iPhone as a smartphone and doesn't like their idea of an OS which gives restrictions and limitations.
Imagine purchasing Windows or Mac OS, then you only get "Guest" account with many restrictions and limitations. It's just so... wrong. It's so wrong because it's not common, but if it's common, then we won't feel this.

In my opinion; If iPhone was a truly smartphone as in a mobile computer, they would've make a mobile version of Mac OS. But I guess they want to venture into mobile phone, but did not want to create another OS, instead they use their existing technology, the iPod Touch. Hence, why it doesn't feel like a true smartphone or mobile computer, because in the first place, it wasn't.
Before iPhone, did anyone regard iPod Touch a mobile computing device?




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