I see. Boss not happy with you leaking info? That was quite fast... are they watching? Hello there!

golf 30% more on import tax, civic n altis,no import tax. Same as locals on excise n sales duty. Asking for golf standard,i thinkit too much for the moment, but golf still expensive do make compare to prtn. Look at their quality then.

We can only know the open market value percar coz none i believe reveal their actual cost percar. If price below 75k for prtn, their omv shud be around 40k+- without tax. If 65k, shud be around 32k++ without tax. That include manufacturer profit without traders profit percar.

Dunno the cost coz need to minus manufacturer profit.

we thought you are getting eleantra MD? no?

My neck r getting longer now.....

this is sick

no need to waste money do crash thingy, when you say this, remember all malaysian are driving this car, how can you even have such a thinking in the first pls?

yea, ppl hated us, so give them a car that is dangerous that can kill them? those designer get paid right? not volunteer right? dont like the job, pls apply to some other company la.

the last sentences shows that, thank goodness there are HUMAN working in p1, not crazy ppl. imagine ppl balik kampung and whole family died in a badly designed and dangerous p1 car.

car making is not just a business. poisonous nasi goreng can only kill 1 ppl.

stop the attitude like i'm doing you a favor, malaysian. remember, you/they get paid.

I think what he meant that all the effort Proton did will not be appreciated by us. Even so their car is good and safe, people still don't trust. Look at the initial response of P3-21A.

ppl are skeptical. why care so much? they still get paid.

if this is a charity job and not appreciate by ppl, fine, can complain and grunt.

if you force ppl to buy expensive car, and you dont even let ppl complain, its north korean style of thinking already.

so, there is only 1 way for proton now, and i can see they are doing pretty well, which is....keep improving.

I believe he is not asking Proton to ignore the ncap testing and all. It just a question and how Proton feels obligated towards safety.

Even though they get paid, they care,appreciate,love and is passionate about what they do.
They also want to be able to deliver something that would at least make the people happy and in turn make themselves happy.

yes, i can see from their current prodcut line up, from saga flx to p3-21, thats why i'm saying they are heading the right direction.

actually they should be thankful, without proton, they will not have a chance to do this. ok, maybe without proton, other company will setup R&D for car design here and they can work there too.

all in all, i'm also excited by this p3-21, but....some how it makes me feel like, its a product that , if they fail, they tabao, so they are "all in" in this

Turbojaj, no need so butthurt.

It was a rethorical question meant to find out Proton's attitude towards the safety of their product in the face of negativity from Malaysians in general.

mat79 was not suggesting that Proton should not bother with the crash tests.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 2 2012, 10:06 AM

Yes, Proton is improving a lot since this MD took over.

Yes, they are some blind prtn basher there keep saying some non constructive commment. But this is part of life.

All malaysian company, please keep improving!

not butthurt la, at least thats what i comprehend from his writing.

seriously, i should be the biggest supporter ,looking at the amount i paid for their product, and i completely have some other choice.

actually, i'm not asking them not doing the test. Just ask them with sort of questions to know how they respond to it n they respond it responsibly. If u read all my post, i am a safety first kind of a guy.

Yup,they are being paid, i believe all engineers in all manufacturers being paid n all people doing work n being paid unless for charity.

The diff is only whether u do it with full commitment, half baked or just play2 with it. Some are doing so so,just for the money, but there are some doing more than they shud do. Depends.

Why need to think negatively when they give out positive attitude. Yup, they need to send the car for crash test, the objective is to meet the minimum requirements. But if the do it beyond it even with all the limitations by outdoing themselves, why not?

Atleast they are commited to be better than be stagnant. Rnd cost of exora is nearly the same as saga, but they are doing it better for exora. So, shud we call it a bad thing they r doing?

They can opt to maintain 3 stars requirements, but they make it 4 stars requirements. They can settle p321a the same as exora at 4 stars target, but they try to aim it 5 stars.

I dun think that is a bad thing. If they still maintain old standard as waja untill today, i said they are doing what they are being paid coz that is the minimum requirements. Its like a teacher, u r paid to teach, same as lecturer, a good teacher teach, but excellent one inspired. That makes a diff. U cannot blame unless they are not doing the teaching, but if they are doing it briliantly, dont they deserve a credit?

Im sorry if i offended u in anyway, just dont like the way u r thinking. If so, toyota done recalls people said responsible n good(but they are being paid, so,according to you way of thinking, its not charity, so,its not responsible act)(not saying that when toyota recalls,u said responsible,only the way of thinking), but prtn done recalls, people said bs, dunno how to make car correctly n etc(but then, u rules apply here, they just doing what they are being paid for), but why with diff thinking with diff manufacturers by malaysian? We shud praise n critics the equally n fair rite.

My dad and brother bought a Wira each, my sister bought a Saga Iswara, I bought a used Waja, then recently a new Saga. My family should win some kind of award, but I'm sure there are more hardcore supporters

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Added on March 2, 2012, 10:22 ameh,what happend to my post. Haishh, again, sincere appology if any of my word offended u. To many adrenalin rushed in the morning.

Still like u even nevertheless many arguments n sharing of knowledge coz we are all friends in the forum rite. Peace yo :-)

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 2 2012, 10:22 AM

It's a proton *sigh*

guess i misunderstood your posting. post gen2 era proton car only suffers from 2 problem, engine not torquey and plastic part. which has been addressed by current CEO

no hard feelings, but i just critic on the safety- can-be-ignored part, which is a misunderstanding.

on the charity part. its their job to make it great. period. ppl buying their product is the best way of saying thank you. i'm not the kind of ppl who is driving a piece of metal worth rm5k and yelling proton sucks( simply because father-cannot-afford to-give-a-bmw to the son kind of ppl). there are a lot of proton hater here, because they driving a rm5000 saga, so they hated proton so so much.

p1 can sit still, and see their car sales being pwned by so called turtle viva myvi, or they move faster, to recapture the sales.

and the revenue for last quarter shows they suffered a loss again. and 2011 p2 sales outdone proton. guess p3-21 is one product to determine the fate of p1, since hicom already took over.

in every other industry, there are ppl making excellent work, and not be praised. so be chilled on the not getting recognized thingy.

but i must clarify that, i'm not trying to undermine the hardwork of any worker in p1/p2 or GLC. they are actually improving, so i buy their product.

chill, its friday, some debate is meant to move the thread faster while waiting for p3-21

ah, who doesnt have a few protons in their house i might bash it once in a while due to their direction and management attitude and their work flow, but not a hater at all. have gone past the age of i-cannot-buy-a-bmw-because-proton-make-the-car-so-expensive kind of thinking.

but now their product line is actually ok, other than the rubbish steering design in the satria neo, and not having a more powerful engine in satria neo. also tempted by the exora bold, though i dont have 7 ppl to ferry around.

(pss, always wanted a satria neo cps )

yes, hardcore supporter is when your frens are driving middle range of T,H and Peug. while a new proton parked right beside like a sore thumb, now thats a supporter nope, dont need a badge to elevate the self confidence

faster make 4 babies.

XD