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matt_rix
post Jun 24 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 21 2012, 06:54 AM)

Plenty, there's the performance ones like Western Caviar Black or Enterprise level drives such as the Raid Editions. Of course, most people (including myself) would recommend the Caviar Black model (if you can afford). Do state your budget... wink.gif
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reliability is most importance as i mainly used my hard disk for storage only, not so much for gaming
well, budget is...hm..let say around 300?
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post Jun 25 2012, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 24 2012, 11:07 PM)
reliability is most importance as i mainly used my hard disk for storage only, not so much for gaming
well, budget is...hm..let say around 300?
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RAID is the only "reliable" solution, means you must have at least 2 HDD that mirror each other, otherwise there's no HDD that can last for an interval of time, you won't know how long till the parts start breaking apart, same goes to the very high-end enterprise HDD, it's just enterprise HDD has low failure rate (low, pre-mature failure still exist).
It's either you put on cloud for non-sensitive but can't afford to lose or cut your meals to buy at least 2-bay RAID capable NAS, with the hard disk of course.
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post Jun 25 2012, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jun 25 2012, 07:27 AM)
RAID is the only "reliable" solution, means you must have at least 2 HDD that mirror each other, otherwise there's no HDD that can last for an interval of time, you won't know how long till the parts start breaking apart, same goes to the very high-end enterprise HDD, it's just enterprise HDD has low failure rate (low, pre-mature failure still exist).
It's either you put on cloud for non-sensitive but can't afford to lose or cut your meals to buy at least 2-bay RAID capable NAS, with the hard disk of course.
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Yea...go for RAID. biggrin.gif the safest way for important data.
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post Jun 25 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Jun 25 2012, 07:30 AM)
Yea...go for RAID.  biggrin.gif  the safest way for important data.
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Just don't accidentally knock or tip over the casing that housed the HDDs. RAID with only two HDDs only protects you from hardware failure in one HDD. If both HDDs are damaged at the same time...
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post Jun 25 2012, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 24 2012, 11:07 PM)
reliability is most importance as i mainly used my hard disk for storage only, not so much for gaming
well, budget is...hm..let say around 300?
That budget can only afford Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB. If reliability is your concern then either use RAID1 setup (ie. mirroring) with two HDDs, and or simply get two HDDs can make duplicate the files on both drives (for redundancy). Another recommended solution is to burn the data into reliable DVDR media (ie. do not use el-cheapo DVDR). wink.gif
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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 25 2012, 02:21 PM)
Just don't accidentally knock or tip over the casing that housed the HDDs. RAID with only two HDDs only protects you from hardware failure in one HDD. If both HDDs are damaged at the same time...
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plus, maybe he can put some rubber screws for anti vibration notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 25 2012, 02:21 PM)
Just don't accidentally knock or tip over the casing that housed the HDDs. RAID with only two HDDs only protects you from hardware failure in one HDD. If both HDDs are damaged at the same time...
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LOL, now that's human natural disaster, just be sure the component is put inside a solid chassis and put on proper solid place (floor is the best) and away from your naughty leg, strong subwoofer, and those curiosity children.
And lastly, input power, uses a good quality PSU and protect it using a good UPS+AVR.
There's just so much to spend to protect your important data, now if you don't mind making backup everyday, invest on external HDD to backup is the cheaper solution and keep them at cold and dry place. whistling.gif
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post Jun 25 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jun 25 2012, 04:27 PM)
LOL, now that's human natural disaster, just be sure the component is put inside a solid chassis and put on proper solid place (floor is the best) and away from your naughty leg, strong subwoofer, and those curiosity children.
And lastly, input power, uses a good quality PSU and protect it using a good UPS+AVR.
There's just so much to spend to protect your important data, now if you don't mind making backup everyday, invest on external HDD to backup is the cheaper solution and keep them at cold and dry place. whistling.gif
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There's always theft and fire! Nothing beats off-site backup. smile.gif
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post Jun 25 2012, 11:08 PM

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Just to share, for backups I run a weekly sync/backup of my important files to a WD Elements 1.5 TB. So I have duplicates in another ext disk.

IMO any hdd will go kaput...just a matter of when only.
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QUOTE(dkk @ Jun 25 2012, 09:38 PM)
There's always theft and fire! Nothing beats off-site backup. smile.gif
Off-site backup weakness: Cannot access when internet connection is down, and backup host server is down (or gone out of business)... tongue.gif

QUOTE(Fjive @ Jun 25 2012, 11:08 PM)
Just to share, for backups I run a weekly sync/backup of my important files to a WD Elements 1.5 TB. So I have duplicates in another ext disk.

IMO any hdd will go kaput...just a matter of when only.
Just for your information, certain CDRs and DVDRs can outlast HDDs... brows.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 03:05 AM

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Not sure whether normal or not, my HDD vibration is kinda annoying. How to reduce it lol
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jun 26 2012, 03:05 AM)
Not sure whether normal or not, my HDD vibration is kinda annoying. How to reduce it lol
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Your chassis is a bit hard to reduce the vibration unless you goes for CM 4-in-3 module of which has the rubber on sides to reduce vibration to the chassis, but you'll still able to listen to the vibration from your HDD if your chassis is very silent.
CM 4-in-3 however uses 3 of your removable drive space, if you don't have any DVD/CD drive then it's fine, but if you do have this idea is not usable.

If you want to total isolate, it's best to start with the chassis itself, invest on something like Silverstone or Lian-Li, they cost more but some of their models are really silent and has good noise reduction for all the components.
I myself hooked on the Thermaltake Element G, the overall noise is great, almost noise-less even when all fans on full-swing, but the HDD is not that cooling, filter is thick and reduced airflow. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 02:41 AM)
Off-site backup weakness: Cannot access when internet connection is down, and backup host server is down (or gone out of business)... tongue.gif
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Off-site doesn't mean it is on the cloud. It means that the backup copy is not located in the same building or site. It may be stored offline (not powered) or online (powered and accessible to a computer), but doesn't say if the backup may be accessible over the internet or not.

At least that was what I had learned back then. Maybe the meaning of the terms have changed.

QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 02:41 AM)
Just for your information, certain CDRs and DVDRs can outlast HDDs... brows.gif
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Rare. Expensive. Too troublesome to use, except on things that you intend to burn and forget, emphasis on forget. And they are mostly claims, unless you can verify for yourself about twenty years or forty years down the line, which you probably won't bother because it would be a lot of work or CD/DVD readers no longer exist (hah!) or you have forgotten about it. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jun 26 2012, 03:05 AM)
Not sure whether normal or not, my HDD vibration is kinda annoying. How to reduce it lol
Please describe in detail. Is it the surrounding HDD mounting and/or casing vibrating? Or just the HDD itself making a lot of noise? hmm.gif

QUOTE(everling @ Jun 26 2012, 02:49 PM)
Off-site doesn't mean it is on the cloud. It means that the backup copy is not located in the same building or site. It may be stored offline (not powered) or online (powered and accessible to a computer), but doesn't say if the backup may be accessible over the internet or not.

At least that was what I had learned back then. Maybe the meaning of the terms have changed.
When I mentioned "backup host server", I didn't add the "online" word. Thus, it could mean both online (e.g. internet connection) and offline as well. tongue.gif

QUOTE(everling @ Jun 26 2012, 02:49 PM)
Rare. Expensive. Too troublesome to use, except on things that you intend to burn and forget, emphasis on forget. And they are mostly claims, unless you can verify for yourself about twenty years or forty years down the line, which you probably won't bother because it would be a lot of work or CD/DVD readers no longer exist (hah!) or you have forgotten about it. laugh.gif
Yes, those certain CDRs are rare and "expensive" (when compared to other el-cheapo media). I've used numerous brands of CDRs before and I can verify that most of those "certain" CDRs have survived (some already more than a decade old and counting). The best ones (top grade) are the original Kodak Gold Ultima (this one is from the days of 4X and 8X CDRs!), Mitsubishi Blue Platinum Super AZO and Mitsubishi Sonic AZO. As for DVDR media, seems the original Mitsubishi DynAZO is pretty stable. thumbup.gif The second grade ones are mostly made by Prodisc, sold under various brand names (including Verbatim/Mitsubishi). The ones that didn't made the grade (inconsistent quality and/or have some levels of degradation) are Mitsubishi Metal AZO (surprise surprise!), Mitsui, Imation, TDK, Sony, Ritek, Daxon, etc. Of course there are also the worst ones like Sony (the ones from Sony's own factory), Maxell (the ones from Maxell's own factory), GigaStorage (sold under various brands like "Melody") and most of the el-cheapo media (quite a long list). shakehead.gif As for 20 to 40 years later, can always move/copy all the data to new technology storage medium or device. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 17 2012, 07:05 AM)
unlikely but i experienced this, the culprit was faulty ram and eventually lead to intermittent bluescreen. do u encounter any bluescreen lately?
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Don't encounter any bluescreen lately, but will keep that in mind. Thanks~

QUOTE(everling @ Jun 17 2012, 02:38 PM)
Copying files over and over will normally not cause data loss. It could be bad RAM as sotong168 suggested, or it could be that you have bad sectors, or that your HDD is dying. I would recommend doing a full HDD scan and checking the SMART attributes. You can use the HDDScan software that is linked in the first post.
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Not sure if I run it right ot not, I installed HDDScan and click on "SMART". Results were all green.

QUOTE(lex @ Jun 21 2012, 06:54 AM)
@Kr0ll3R, do you use any 3rd party copy utilities? You may want to check your cables as well. Also some old chipsets (on ancient machines) such as the VIA 686B southbridge have data corruption issues with UDMA enabled (also becomes more significant if a SoundBlaster Live! soundcard is present). Certain NVIDIA chipsets also have this issue (with SoundBlaster Live! also)... hmm.gif

No, I didn't use any software. It was like a normal C&P.

Don't think anything to do with my specs, I guess.
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Whenever I wanna do a clean format of my drive, I move out all files (movies, music, etc) to secondary internal HDD.
And when I copy back and watch some movie files, certain scenes will have random colored line bar (I can confirm that, cause my fren who copy from me, watched it perfectly fine) or that scene can't be played.

At least I know now, copying files over times won't cause any data loss.
Thx for the helps! smile.gif

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QUOTE(Kr0ll3R @ Jun 26 2012, 05:27 PM)
No, I didn't use any software. It was like a normal C&P.

Don't think anything to do with my specs, I guess.
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Whenever I wanna do a clean format of my drive, I move out all files (movies, music, etc) to secondary internal HDD.
And when I copy back and watch some movie files, certain scenes will have random colored line bar (I can confirm that, cause my fren who copy from me, watched it perfectly fine) or that scene can't be played.
Does the same thing occur when playing the file directly from the secondary internal HDD? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Kr0ll3R @ Jun 26 2012, 05:27 PM)
At least I know now, copying files over times won't cause any data loss.
Thx for the helps!  smile.gif
Copying files shouldn't affect the data. There could be other sources of data corruption. Anyway, I usually use a MD5/SFV checksum generator and checking utility to verify my files. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 05:39 PM)
Does the same thing occur when playing the file directly from the secondary internal HDD? hmm.gif

Erm, that I not sure, cause I only realised when I cut/move back from the secondary HDD.
Eh sorry, should be Cut, not copy. But it's the same terms I guess, where I don't keep copies in my secondary HDD.

Other files in the 2nd HDD, doin good.

QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 05:39 PM)
Copying files shouldn't affect the data. There could be other sources of data corruption. Anyway, I usually use a MD5/SFV checksum generator and checking utility to verify my files. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Is that a software to check a file error? That could come in handy. Thanks!

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QUOTE(Kr0ll3R @ Jun 26 2012, 05:54 PM)
Erm, that I not sure, cause I only realised when I cut/move back from the secondary HDD.
Eh sorry, should be Cut, not copy. But it's the same terms I guess, where I don't keep copies in my secondary HDD.

Other files in the 2nd HDD, doin good.
Then the data corruption could have occurred when transferring files (ie. that's why I've mentioned about checking the cables), and/or in the destination HDD itself. If you had overclocked your machine then try setting it back to stock speeds (e.g. possible increased bus speeds could cause data corruption). hmm.gif

QUOTE(Kr0ll3R @ Jun 26 2012, 05:54 PM)
Is that a software to check a file error? That could come in handy. Thanks!
Plenty of them. Just use Google with the search phrase "sfv md5 checksum checker", "md5 checksum checker", etc.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 06:10 PM)
Then the data corruption could have occurred when transferring files (ie. that's why I've mentioned about checking the cables), and/or in the destination HDD itself. If you had overclocked your machine then try setting it back to stock speeds (e.g. possible increased bus speeds could cause data corruption). hmm.gif

Plenty of them. Just use Google with the search phrase "sfv md5 checksum checker", "md5 checksum checker", etc.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Got it, thanks!
Will check it out. Plenty of infos~ notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 26 2012, 04:14 PM)
Please describe in detail. Is it the surrounding HDD mounting and/or casing vibrating? Or just the HDD itself making a lot of noise?  hmm.gif
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HDD including the HDD cage, the empty floor of the casing between the HDD cage and the PSU sad.gif

Is this normal?

p/s: I did remove off the fan, but it's still vibrating sad.gif The most severe part is between the HDD cage and the space between hdd and psu)

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