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post Jan 17 2012, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(j_petrucci @ Jan 17 2012, 11:38 AM)
y change?
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what i mean are like those programs cache files..coz dun wan use too much write on my SSD. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 17 2012, 12:11 PM)
can you give me the plat number of 8Gb and 4GB RAM, LV ECC RDIMM Dual RANK used by dell ?
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We're using 12 x 2GB sticks. Pretty standard stuff - unbuffered ECC DDR3. If you want more than 24GB RAM you'll need buffered DIMMs. Refer to their service manual for more info.


Added on January 17, 2012, 3:33 pm
QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 10:00 PM)
T610 sata 6 right ?
The server come with nice stuff ??
Got any hardware issue from it ? Their management software can one click open virtual window ?
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Don't remember if it's SATA 6. Don't know what you mean by "nice stuff".

There's one issue we're facing where the server won't POST until you unplug/replug its power from the wall. Started doing this after one very bad lightning strike.

We bought the server cheap anyway - less than RM3k, thanks to Dell DFO biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 17 2012, 01:22 PM)
what i mean are like those programs cache files..coz dun wan use too much write on my SSD.  doh.gif
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lor.. no need to worry laaaa.. your ssd wont die becos of write laaa. i take a long time for it to die becoz of write
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post Jan 18 2012, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 17 2012, 03:31 PM)
We're using 12 x 2GB sticks. Pretty standard stuff - unbuffered ECC DDR3. If you want more than 24GB RAM you'll need buffered DIMMs. Refer to their service manual for more info.


Added on January 17, 2012, 3:33 pm
Don't remember if it's SATA 6. Don't know what you mean by "nice stuff".

There's one issue we're facing where the server won't POST until you unplug/replug its power from the wall. Started doing this after one very bad lightning strike.

We bought the server cheap anyway - less than RM3k, thanks to Dell DFO biggrin.gif
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I got read the manual, just didnt aware the buffered.
The RAM, u buy it urself or get from Dell ??
I plan to plug in 32GB RAM, (2x8GB, 4x4GB). Still got 6 empty Dimm >_<
Nice stuff, such as those function and blabla ?

My place, always got lightning =_=
Should i consider un-interrupted power supply ?
How come T610 less than 3k ?? DFO ?

Dual Xeon E5620
32GB RAM
300GB 15k SAS
1T 7.2k SAS
3yrs Pro Support
Monitor, keyboard
No SSD ...
Cost 14k =___=

Ur server using which OS ?
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 12:17 AM)
1. I got read the manual, just didnt aware the buffered.
2. The RAM, u buy it urself or get from Dell ??
3. I plan to plug in 32GB RAM, (2x8GB, 4x4GB). Still got 6 empty Dimm >_<
4. Nice stuff, such as those function and blabla ?
5. My place, always got lightning =_= Should i consider un-interrupted power supply ?
6. How come T610 less than 3k ?? DFO ?

Dual Xeon E5620
32GB RAM
300GB 15k SAS
1T 7.2k SAS
3yrs Pro Support
Monitor, keyboard
No SSD ...
Cost 14k =___=

7. Ur server using which OS ?
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1. You should really read it, here: http://support.ap.dell.com/support/edocs/s.../pdf/hom_en.pdf
2. Bought it ourselves.
3. That's why you should read the manual. What you want to do isn't a supported config and your server probably won't boot. The manual has details on the restrictions on how you can configure the RAM on page 123.
4. What functions specifically?
5. Yes, if budget allows for it.
6. DFO = Dell Factory Outlet, i.e. refurbished systems
7. We're using Debian Linux.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 18 2012, 02:31 AM)
1. You should really read it, here: http://support.ap.dell.com/support/edocs/s.../pdf/hom_en.pdf
2. Bought it ourselves.
3. That's why you should read the manual. What you want to do isn't a supported config and your server probably won't boot. The manual has details on the restrictions on how you can configure the RAM on page 123.
4. What functions specifically?
5. Yes, if budget allows for it.
6. DFO = Dell Factory Outlet, i.e. refurbished systems
7. We're using Debian Linux.
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So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
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I'm curious that, possible to use SSD + SATA or not.
There not listed =___=
SSD must put at 1 slot follow by the rest.

This RAM can be used by server ?

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How come 8GB just RM300++, I'm doubt with it ....

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post Jan 18 2012, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 09:57 AM)
So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I'm curious that, possible to use SSD + SATA or not.
There not listed =___=
SSD must put at 1 slot follow by the rest.

This RAM can be used by server ?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

How come 8GB just RM300++, I'm doubt with it ....
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RAM placement does not matter IMO, as long as the system support it, some system has restriction of 4GB per rank.
SSD + SATA? You mean SSD + HDD? As long as it's configured properly, you can have any combination of SSD and/or HDD.
But if RAID must be between the same mechanic, i.e. SSD + SSD or HDD + HDD.

8GB DDR3 for RM300? Probably the non-ECC, for the buffered or ECC (server RAM) the price could be double or higher, you can't mix ECC with non-ECC RAM, it's most recommended to use ECC RAM for critical workstation and server, although the performance could be lower.

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 09:57 AM)
So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Only the third config is supported. I'm not going to spoonfeed you why the first two aren't - you need to figure it out yourself from the manual. Read and understand it.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 18 2012, 10:47 AM)
RAM placement does not matter IMO, as long as the system support it, some system has restriction of 4GB per rank.
SSD + SATA? You mean SSD + HDD? As long as it's configured properly, you can have any combination of SSD and/or HDD.
But if RAID must be between the same mechanic, i.e. SSD + SSD or HDD + HDD.

8GB DDR3 for RM300? Probably the non-ECC, for the buffered or ECC (server RAM) the price could be double or higher, you can't mix ECC with non-ECC RAM, it's most recommended to use ECC RAM for critical workstation and server, although the performance could be lower.
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SSD + HDD
I google, it's ECC =___=. I direct contact Kingston Asia Pacific dealer, In Malaysia. One of three.
I doubt, I go oversea retailer. 1 8B need about RM800+ without promotion.
DRAM is

That Asia distributor said only can sold it to dealer not end-user. Dealer sell it double price.
University purchase is End-user ?

QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 18 2012, 11:02 AM)
Only the third config is supported. I'm not going to spoonfeed you why the first two aren't - you need to figure it out yourself from the manual. Read and understand it.
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eh~
The 1st two config, need to multiply by two for dual processor.
It should be
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Adv ECC is
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6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Honestly speaking, 3 channel really work faster than 2 channel ??

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 11:38 AM)
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6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Honestly speaking, 3 channel really work faster than 2 channel ??
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thanks to wKkaY for helping, i'm starting to lose my patients.

Between 6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Both of them are gonna be 3 channels. why you're asking 2 channel.

Differences aren't big, go google. thanks.

i suggest you go create a thread on here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/TechnicalSupport
or here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/HardwareQuestions&Answers

Since what you're asking is slowly derailing this thread.

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Currently looking at the Crucial M4, but seems that Samsung 830 is also a viable option for non-sandforce ssds. Anyone here uses the 830? Would like to know the general reliability of it.
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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 18 2012, 04:54 PM)
Currently looking at the Crucial M4, but seems that Samsung 830 is also a viable option for non-sandforce ssds. Anyone here uses the 830? Would like to know the general reliability of it.
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The 830 hasn't been out long enough to comment on reliability issues.
But judging from Samsung's history, their 470 series was about as reliable as Intel's.

They do place reliability above all else.
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Does format alone able to restore the SSD to its original performance?
Long or quick format?

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planning to get ocz vertex3 max iops ! u guys got better opinion ?
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QUOTE(ah_fong @ Jan 20 2012, 10:33 AM)
planning to get ocz vertex3 max iops ! u guys got better opinion ?
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Max IOPS is mostly marketing, very much like gaming RAM, and it is very unlikely that end-users will feel a difference between a Vertex 3 Max IOPS and a regular Vertex 3 - even more so once your honeymoon with your new SSD is over.

If you don't have an SSD, any decent SSD will make you swear off HDDs for your boot drive. If you already have an SSD, the only reason you should upgrade is to increase your storage capacity. Anything else and you're just burning money for the luxury; better to save a little to spend on a GPU upgrade or something else.
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QUOTE(everling @ Jan 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
Max IOPS is mostly marketing, very much like gaming RAM, and it is very unlikely that end-users will feel a difference between a Vertex 3 Max IOPS and a regular Vertex 3 - even more so once your honeymoon with your new SSD is over.

If you don't have an SSD, any decent SSD will make you swear off HDDs for your boot drive. If you already have an SSD, the only reason you should upgrade is to increase your storage capacity. Anything else and you're just burning money for the luxury; better to save a little to spend on a GPU upgrade or something else.
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im new in ssd ! tats mean jz get agility3 enuf ? already planning 7970 ! haha ! jz dunno whether 750w bronze psu enuf or not
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Jan 19 2012, 09:21 PM)
Does format alone able to restore the SSD to its original performance?
Long or quick format?
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It depends whether you are going to perform it on TRIM or non TRIM ssd,quick or long format does not restore your drive performance in long run but short term.
Download hpparm and run secure erase option,
http://hdparm.sourceforge.net/

You could test it on your own before and after secure erase to see whether your drive goes back to initial new condition with read/write speed.
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QUOTE(ah_fong @ Jan 20 2012, 07:28 PM)
im new in ssd ! tats mean jz get agility3 enuf ? already planning 7970 ! haha ! jz dunno whether 750w bronze psu enuf or not
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Yes, the Agility 3 will be enough for your situation.

Games are optimised to minimise the impact of slow HDDs as much as possible, so SSDs are unlikely to improve performance for some games. You are likely to see a bigger performance difference in your OS boot up, web browsing, virus scans and etc than you would in your games by changing to an SSD.
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Does the capacity affect the speed?
I have 1 Samsung 830 128GB on hand.
Don't know whether to keep it myself or sell it off.
Anandtech YouTube video review mentioned about speed differences between 128GB & 256GB.


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