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Dackson
post Jan 15 2012, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 15 2012, 05:34 AM)
i think you should go look for reviews for SSD and reviews for HDD as well as reviews for seagate momentus XT. their difference are obvious.

i advice you do some product research before asking difference between SSD and HDD and Momentus XT (HYBRID)
No offense to you, but i recommended this because it will be more easier for you to look at the graph that reviews provided rather than Wall of text people written here, or having people posting separated graph.
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I ald read SSD and SAS. Just dnt hv SAS 6GB/s vs SSD. The test of momentus TX vs SAS 6GB/s.
Momentus using 4GB SSD as memory. It only faster in reading but writing just like normal hard disc.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 15 2012, 03:27 PM)
Don't think it's worth it for you to use 3 seagate momentus XT.
Getting 3x Samsung F3 1TB is a much better investment. You can RAID 2 of them and the other use it as an extra backup.

Performance difference between them is pretty much non-existant, as I assume you're using it for data purposes.
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I'm thinking to use 300GB SSD 6GB/s as main drive, 64 GB SSD as virtual drive,1 drive as application, 2 as data storage (use for data reading by application).
Samsung F3, Momentus, WD15k RPM SAS 6GB/s. no idea which one performance/price wise.
1T 7.2k RPM 6GB/s near liner SAS cost RM1.6k
300GB 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS cost RM1.3k
500GB seagate momentus TX ~RM500++ ~RM1/GB (reading should be around 140Mb/s)

I failed to search the benchmark result about them.
It's good to use 2x Corsair 120GB SSD (550/520mb/s read and write).
It's impossible to RAID 5 of them ?
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QUOTE(iaknesnah @ Jan 15 2012, 08:12 PM)
your read speed is pretty slow..shud be like mine and your write speed is ok i think
have u tried what the toolbox ask u to do

ur seq write speed is lower than specs, i think should update mobo chipset + Intel RST driver.
my scores for G3 160GB running is as below:
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post Jan 16 2012, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(abafamny_90 @ Jan 15 2012, 09:53 PM)
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is this okay? i bought it 2nd hand, d first owner used it for 5 months.

I just installed windows 7 to it.

I'm about to apply all the optimization smile.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 12:16 AM

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is my read/write good? please advice.


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tq2!, btw, is my read/write good? icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 15 2012, 11:41 PM)
connect SSD to SATA2 port, instead of SATA3
in BIOS set SATA mode to IDE, ensure that S.M.A.R.T is enabled.
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U r really a master. I connected to sata3 port coz I tot I need the achi mode. Will try connect other port and test later. Thanks
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anyone can teach me how to configure RAID ?
If got two same SSD, 1 7.2k RPM 64mb buffer, and 10k RPM
Can i RAID them all to Raid 1 and RAID 5 ?
Or can i RAID 10 to two SSD, and dnt RAID the remaining drive since remaining is SAS and non SAS?


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QUOTE(abafamny_90 @ Jan 16 2012, 12:16 AM)
is my read/write good? please advice.


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tq2!, btw, is my read/write good? icon_question.gif
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your read/write is good. but pls post another bench after u done with optimization icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 15 2012, 11:46 PM)
ur seq write speed is lower than specs, i think should update mobo chipset + Intel RST driver.
my scores for G3 160GB running is as below:
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no bro . i am using 80gb only.. thats y my sequential write is about half of what u got blush.gif

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post Jan 16 2012, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 12:43 AM)
anyone can teach me how to configure RAID ?
If got two same SSD, 1 7.2k RPM 64mb buffer, and 10k RPM
Can i RAID them all to Raid 1 and RAID 5 ?
Or can i RAID 10 to two SSD, and dnt RAID the remaining drive since remaining is SAS and non SAS?
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From what i know, people usually recommend same type of HDD for RAID.

You can't raid SSD with HDD.

btw, Raid can be configured with your Motherboard Bios, as long as your mobo supports RAID Configuration. Btw do you understand RAID?(judging from what you said RAID 1 and RAID 5 and RAID 10, i believe you don't understand them)
More Information on RAID : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID Explained in Diagrams : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/raid-levels-tutorial/

Currently, i don't recommend you doing RAID with SSD since they still not yet have Trim support.(sorry, i`m quite slowpoke in this, i only know Trim support for RAID will be available in future, if it's already available, please point out, thanks)
More Information on SSD TRIM Support : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM

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post Jan 16 2012, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(iaknesnah @ Jan 16 2012, 01:51 AM)
your read/write is good. but pls post another bench after u done with optimization  icon_rolleyes.gif
After optimization, but out of all those optimizations, i left out 4 i think cuz i'm too noob

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after change port i got the speed what my SSD sud have. icon_rolleyes.gif

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isit normal for my 4k qd32 read speed?
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QUOTE(abafamny_90 @ Jan 16 2012, 02:21 AM)
After optimization, but out of all those optimizations, i left out 4 i think cuz i'm too noob

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funny coz your 4k speed before optimization was better than latest result although there are some improvements in sequential but u lost a lot on 4k.
QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 16 2012, 02:29 AM)
after change port i got the speed what my SSD sud have.  icon_rolleyes.gif


isit normal for my 4k qd32 read speed?
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i'd say u still not getting the right speed. your 4k shud be more than or at least 20mb/s. have u installed the latest intel RST driver? then do the optimization shown in the 1 post. but pls be reminded that some optimization are not for intel ssd and some are not for sandforce. it is written in the optimization page.

look at my result. this is what u shud be getting for read speed.
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QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 16 2012, 12:26 AM)
U r really a master. I connected to sata3 port coz I tot I need the achi mode. Will try connect other port and test later. Thanks
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yupe, u need to use ACHI mode to enable TRIM.
the IDE mode is just to sort out problem u had during firmware upgrade.
but now it seems to work fine for u. Congratz!
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 02:12 AM)
From what i know, people usually recommend same type of HDD for RAID.

You can't raid SSD with HDD.

btw, Raid can be configured with your Motherboard Bios, as long as your mobo supports RAID Configuration. Btw do you understand RAID?(judging from what you said RAID 1 and RAID 5 and RAID 10, i believe you don't understand them)
More Information on RAID : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID Explained in Diagrams : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/raid-levels-tutorial/

Currently, i don't recommend you doing RAID with SSD since they still not yet have Trim support.(sorry, i`m quite slowpoke in this, i only know Trim support for RAID will be available in future, if it's already available, please point out, thanks)
More Information on SSD TRIM Support : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
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I had read those link yesterday.
I was thinking whether should i use the advantage of RAID or not.
First, i can not afford any failure data. 2nd, It's use for critical performance.
RAID 0 totally out of my mind. I need to set a duplicate back up. It's RAID 1 is the good option ?
Can i just raid 3 of the Hard disc leaving SSD un-RAID ?? I saw a benchmark that RAID 5 of the samsung SAS greatly improve the performance.
By the way, any good idea to customize hard drive with SSD.
Install main OS on SSD. Application on 2nd hard disc. read data from storage 1. Keep data in to storage 2 and storage 3 which may be used again by application.
I hv no idea which hard drive to use for the rest of it. using 5 SSD or 1 SSD 4 SAS which is over budget.

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 11:06 AM)
I had read those link yesterday.
I was thinking whether should i use the advantage of RAID or not.
First, i can not afford any failure data. 2nd, It's use for critical performance.
RAID 0 totally out of my mind. I need to set a duplicate back up. It's RAID 1 is the good option ?
Can i just raid 3 of the Hard disc leaving SSD un-RAID ?? I saw a benchmark that RAID 5 of the samsung SAS greatly improve the performance.
By the way, any good idea to customize hard drive with SSD.
Install main OS on SSD. Application on 2nd hard disc. read data from storage 1. Keep data in to storage 2 and storage 3 which may be used again by application.
I hv no idea which hard drive to use for the rest of it. using 5 SSD or 1 SSD 4 SAS which is over budget.
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Read intensive application such as 3D editing, Photoshop and OS should be in SSD.
While Media and additional important files can be store in HDD.
Single SSD performance is good enough for users without the need to RAID.

May i ask what's your intention for RAID?

Only same size of HDD can be RAID.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/HETERO...-WORK,1789.html
You can't raid a 500gb with 1tb.

Plus, if you're saving cost and RAID a 7.2k rpm HDD and 10k rpm HDD(if they are in same size)
The performance will be bottleneck by the 7.2 rpm HDD because 7.2k rpm HDD has inferior performance compare to 10k rpm

RAID HDD does not means, HDD 1 Performance + HDD 2 Performance = Total Performance.

RAID 5 Requires atleast 3 SSD or 3 SAS HDD.
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 12:43 PM)
Read intensive application such as 3D editing, Photoshop and OS should be in SSD.
While Media and additional important files can be store in HDD.
Single SSD performance is good enough for users without the need to RAID.

May i ask what's your intention for RAID?

Only same size of HDD can be RAID.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/HETERO...-WORK,1789.html
You can't raid a 500gb with 1tb.

Plus, if you're saving cost and RAID a 7.2k rpm HDD and 10k rpm HDD(if they are in same size)
The performance will be bottleneck by the 7.2 rpm HDD because 7.2k rpm HDD has inferior performance compare to 10k rpm

RAID HDD does not means, HDD 1 Performance + HDD 2 Performance = Total Performance.

RAID 5 Requires atleast 3 SSD or 3 SAS HDD.
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The application i use is process, ram, reading and writing intensive.
I saw the benchmark showing RAID can increase the performance provided it full fill the condition.
I hope with RAID it can speed the process and reduce time consuming.

In order to use RAID 5, I need to increase my budget. Budget 2.5k kind hard to use 3 SAS + 3 SSD.
WD Raptor 160GB cost RM899 ... that why i go to momentus TX
My target is Performance/price. Reading form storage is important, yet writing on storage should be fine for me.

Got ppl said that Dell Tower server T610 can not simply plug in hard drive. The BIOS may be can not support certain SSD and else T.T
Currently, I'm customizing it in order to reduce cost.

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u shud know momentus xt only read a specific amount of data which are frequently used with high speed. other than that it will take some time to read non frequent data, correct me if i am wrong
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QUOTE(j_petrucci @ Jan 16 2012, 02:29 PM)
u shud know momentus xt only read a specific amount of data which are frequently used with high speed. other than that it will take some time to read non frequent data, correct me if i am wrong
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I assume that the largest file will be use for application read will be about 13GB ++ with ~10m to 100m small files. I/O also important...
Then, should use SSD since it's stable >__<
5pcs of 120GB SSD ...OMG ... over budget...

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SSD is not recommended for Write intensive since it will degrade it's performance.

If you're going for Write intensive work load, go for SAS HDD
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 03:01 PM)
SSD is not recommended for Write intensive since it will degrade it's performance.

If you're going for Write intensive work load, go for SAS HDD
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OMG ... I want to cry ald.
So, my combination should 2x SSD (Read 550mb/s; Write 520Mb/s), 1 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS for application (Intensive application), 1 normal, 2 storage ?
Look like this server really user inconvenient >.<
If read intensively, it's ok ?

Just Hard drive itself causing so much problem.
HVnt go to controller, RAM, Processor, networking controller sweat.gif sweat.gif

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