so you can challenge majib post and nanathir power? ahhahahahahahahaha.

if they are not in power, so they are already millioanire, how about those in power? they are poorer or richer? talk with common sense man.

normal chap like you and i needs to work to find a living and can only look at those cheap cars under 100k. so you dont have time to go for politic. ok? understand?

now lets talk cars.

So what? They may be powerful ppl in their own parties but do they run GLC companies? Do they control tol collection and continously increase tolls? Do they sell you substandard fuel at high prices while they export the expensive grade to other countries? Do they dictate how this country is bring run? Do they control your 1 sided judiciary? Do they give your children crap low class education while cheating them with 20A's results? Do they increase your cost of living in Malaysia? Are they the ones who have given all of us a low quality of life with a substandard police force? Can your children play safely in the park without you worrying if they will be kidnapped or raped? Do they go around giving out a few hundred ringgit to kampung folk using money given by the rakyat through taxes and claiming its wang ehsan??? Are they the ones swindling and raping this country of billions of ringgit every year for the past 30 years while cheating the rakyat by telling them sweet stories every time? Are they the ones who tabled huge budgets every year and yet delivered only 30-40% of the initiatives? Are they the ones mentioned every year in the AG report caught buying items at 250% above market price?

Dont be a fence sitter. There is no such thing as perfect politicians and neither is there neutral ppl. if u care for this country and your generations to come then fight for them. Instead of sitting around complaining about everybody why dont u stand up and fight for what is right? If you think they arent good, then stand up and fight for the rakyat. Dont just sit back complaining day after day. Its ppl like you who have allowed BN to control the minds of Malaysians for the past 50 years.

Sorry to divert but pisses me off to hear crap from those who dont bother to even lift a finger to fight for a just cause and yet complain!

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 18 2012, 11:34 AM

I am yr supporters what. I vote for U to be our leader or PM.
I know U r transparent & fair.

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This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jan 18 2012, 11:44 AM

Duh! Thought I am in wrong thread. Come on guys, this is not a politics thread.

Then why are you asking me to explain the very point of pricing when you straightaway say in the next sentence leave out about pricing being unconfirmed? You are asking questions which I do not have definite answer to and many(including me) did tried answering, but you simply wouldn't accept them.

Someone will probably going to bring up the 40MPG issue again, despite being answered in picture.

Just to let everybody know, even the price range of 'c-segment' is not fixed, we merely used the current popular c-segment as gauge, by definition c-segment is a car priced close to or above 100k, that's a broad range of price the Elantra can sit in.

You're obviously selecting points in getting your arguments across here, given your history of dismissing 100% of my explanation so far I see no use explaining anything to you at all because you simply won't accept anything. In case you're wondering, you're one of those I referred to as quoted in previous post.


Teacher can teach, the student may not listen, but when the kids talk back as if they knew better then they should know when to leave the classroom.

As a potential buyer, I am also looking at the price. The car outlook and features are the main one driving me to get the car as it is slightly above the rest in the same segment.

As I keep changing car often, resale price is also important for me. So far having Japanese car and also perodua, the resale had been good. That is one of the reasons why I am able to change car every 2-3 years.

As for Korean make, the resale had not been there. Look at the previous model of Sonata and Elantra. They are so bad in resale after 3 years. If I am in that situation, I will not ever get a Korean car again as feels cheated.

This is my first time looking at Korean car even though I can effort a CAMRY. If the price is too close to the H&T, then bye bye to Elantra. I could not take the risk after 3 years the car resale value had dropped so much as compare to T&H. It is a fact which we cannot ignore even though the korean had caught up but then not in Malaysia market.

Really hope SD will place the price right as I wish to try out Korean car and then recommend it. I think Forte had done it right. You can see the new K5. The thread had been dead. I hope this thread will not end up like K5. If not it will be a sad news as the car should be a good car.

Bro, u're being abit defensive here...

The info we got from you (or from the trainer to you to us is) it's gonna priced at a C segment car price, that cud be from 100K - 130K plus minus, base on other Japs and Korean makes.

Now we're not sure what news you've got lately or what impression the trainer give you bout the potential... but there're people posting bout info that they got was it's gonna be up till 115K or even 118K for the 1.8.

To me, the elantra is a good car, but even with all the gadgets, it's not worth the range of 115K - 118K. Bcoz, they have not really fix their reputation yet, plus it's badged as Inokom.

That's the exact root cause of the uproar in this thread right now. 115K - 118K is way over the board.

I'm really interested to listen to your view on whats the upper limit of the range that it SHOULD be priced at, and why.

The only ones whom you seem to have a 'problem' with are always those who have stood up and argued your points albeit those who didnt accept your mere salesman talk. Remember 1 thing, anybody can ask questions and you should be in a position to answer them professionally. As you said before, u dont mind repeating replies so why are you backtracking now? I asked you a simple question about the car and ure back again to square one whining like a 10 yr old. If you wanna be successful in whatever you do, then learn to handle customers (potential or otherwise) professionally.

Btw, for your info, we have already met in real life. Maybe one day ill introduce myself with my lowyat nickname and then ull be shocked. Till then please choose your responses well.

No point harping on the same 'price has not been fixed' line. Im asking you to ASSUME that the price is RM115-118K for the 1.8L. So what would your justification be?

Cheers!

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 18 2012, 03:28 PM

You change cars every 2-3 years? Ure either too rich or your financial planning is really poor. Good resale value or not, its still a loss investing in a car. Having a better resale value merely minimises those losses.

ya, is so true~Car is not worth to invest!!! Maybe is not ur planning poor, but u're a type keep looking at trend~ Did you change ur phone in this way too? i guess you have more than just a mobile phone~

This is not the thread for boosting, if you can afford CAMRY then you might go into wrong thread already, you should go to K5 thread.

I think there are no problems to anybody who want to chance car every 2-3 years or buy cheaper car instead affordable car.
It's their money.
I dont mind at all wt them.

100% agree. I believe almost everyone in this thread are potential customers who are interested in buying the Elantra, otherwise why we waste our time in this tered mah...

Bro Fluidic no need to be defensive in your points. At the end of the day, it was SD that announced "C-segment car at C segment price"... so we are askign what is the justification for this, when its locally assemble with penis Inokom logo somemore (dun angry)

Naza can sell 2.0 Forte at 97k, why can't SD?

Btw, you can check the price of 2006 Sonata - dropped by almost RM100K from ori selling price. (in less than 6 years!)http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0+auto+06+07-13347653.htm

You need (or your mgmt) need to address questions like this from potential customers, if not tak dak sales, ta dak commission pun.

What kind of justification you are looking for?

Salesman talk, I think I have to repeat myself my main purpose is not to cari makan here but rather to share information, I repeated this a dozen times already, so I hope you remember this point after this. I am earning only RM200 from all the pre-launch booking from LYN, that's my arrangement with my manager in order to give out that special package. Assuming I can earn RM1,000 for each Elantra I sell outside of LYN, why I even bother advertising here and sharing information here if my sole purpose is to cari makan?

As I said before, when you compare cars, strip both car bare of accessories and compare them both. When you compare both car in bare form there is minimal effect of profit from accessories, that's where the price difference translate to what's put into the important part of the car, the engine, gearbox and other essential that allow the car roll.

You will then say T and H despite the ancient technology, is a perfected technology, that's why they are charging more for them. I am going to say the price is worth every cent you pay for it, but you are just going to say T and H same pricing blablabla, without realizing those car are overpriced and underspec'ed.

Now for the final sticking point where many people keep asking why Forte can be priced that way. Frankly speaking, I am going to just stick to my said point as above. KIA makes good cars, but Hyundai makes better cars. Before anyone start saying components between KIA and Hyundai are shared, take one example and ask yourself, why Forte suffer from brake pedal sensor(where it allow you to use the push start button ignition), while there is only one such case for my showroom ever since the Tucson/Sonata launched? The case I knew of wasn't even on the Sonata/Tucson but the Santa Fe.

This post has been edited by FluidicSculpture: Jan 18 2012, 04:40 PM

A lot of us are not criticising. We are giving you feedback to your organisation that what we think will help you sell the car.

I always believe that the free market is an efficient market and if SD believe that they can sell the car at their price so be it. In no where in our replies did we expect any charity from SD. It is rather insulting to suggest that potential buyers here are seeking any charity from your organisation in fact it is the other way round.

So if you want to use the internet to promote something be prepared to receive criticism also. I think a lot of members here have posted positive reply to the car and defending the reputation of Korean mades and have been eagerly anticipating this car. Internet is a powerful tool for knowledge sharing and feedback.

It is up to you what you want to do with our feedback.

Ps. Just to give you an idea I myself drive a Forte and I also have the new Hyundai Tucson. Both cars to date I have no problems and it is indeed a pleasure to drive. I am happy to see the success of the Koreans because they truly deserves it. I guess many of us also have given feed back on the Optima pricing and only time will tell as to whether our criticism is justified. If I am wrong about the pricing and the car sells incredibly well then I apologize for my wrong perception.



This post has been edited by JoLee: Jan 18 2012, 04:46 PM

its a good car in a wrong hand

This post has been edited by turbocharged: Jan 18 2012, 04:43 PM

Very well worded and very true.

Couldn't agree with you more. I don't know how to say this tactfully.

Feedback and replies have been given, but you guys are throwing everything back at our face, just look the past 20 pages or so how many blind bashing is going on. I am not even a PR working for HSDM but yet I tried to answer all the questions there is, going back and forth between Sime Darby and the general public(here) to get your questions answered.

How is it not expectation of charity if the car truly turns out to be loss making if sold at the price you guys expected?

No doubt I understand the power of the Internet, but I've been in LYN since 2002 and have seen how it degraded from nice proper discussion into mere trolling post.

And what can I do about your feedback? I am not in a position to change the pricing or make such decision, all I can do is forward these feedback up to someone I know in SD and it's up to them whether to entertain me or not. If you want a more direct approach why not call up Sime Darby HQ and give your feedback there directly?

You guys don't seem to understand how dealership system work, we are just authorized to sell Hyundai cars, nothing else.

This post has been edited by FluidicSculpture: Jan 18 2012, 04:51 PM

I understand your frustration and that is why we don't blame you. We all very well knows who is calling the shots here.

Just out of curiousity, are you saying that the cost of the car at our malaysian ringgit cannot cover the cost as this is a suprise to me.

Ps. I also appreciate the fact that you have taken a lower commission for members here to buy and don't take this personally as the criticism is not at you. I think the passage of time since the introduction of the car to the expected launching date has been far too long and certain expectations have built over the months some realistic and some unrealistic but it could have been better managed.

This post has been edited by JoLee: Jan 18 2012, 05:05 PM