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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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JoLee
post Jan 17 2012, 03:15 PM

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It is beacuse of the lack of competition in this country is the reason why we as consumers pay a heavy price.

Not only is there heavy taxes on imported cars but the distribution/distributorship of the cars are limited. So with this kind of mentality that everything is given or protected, you think they are going to go the extra mile for you?

Buying a car here has never been a pleasant experience. I lived in NZ before and because the car industry is open, all the cars are priced very competitively and you are spoilt for choices on which dealer you can buy from.

Why don't you guys sit back and think carefully as to who are controlling the major brands in this country? Some companies have a few brands under their control. Their attitude here is like take it or leave it. We have a pent up demand for cars because the supplies here are restricted and the playing field is not level.

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post Jan 18 2012, 04:40 PM

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A lot of us are not criticising. We are giving you feedback to your organisation that what we think will help you sell the car.

I always believe that the free market is an efficient market and if SD believe that they can sell the car at their price so be it. In no where in our replies did we expect any charity from SD. It is rather insulting to suggest that potential buyers here are seeking any charity from your organisation in fact it is the other way round.

So if you want to use the internet to promote something be prepared to receive criticism also. I think a lot of members here have posted positive reply to the car and defending the reputation of Korean mades and have been eagerly anticipating this car. Internet is a powerful tool for knowledge sharing and feedback.

It is up to you what you want to do with our feedback.

Ps. Just to give you an idea I myself drive a Forte and I also have the new Hyundai Tucson. Both cars to date I have no problems and it is indeed a pleasure to drive. I am happy to see the success of the Koreans because they truly deserves it. I guess many of us also have given feed back on the Optima pricing and only time will tell as to whether our criticism is justified. If I am wrong about the pricing and the car sells incredibly well then I apologize for my wrong perception.



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post Jan 18 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 18 2012, 04:43 PM)
its a good car in a wrong hand
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Couldn't agree with you more. I don't know how to say this tactfully.
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post Jan 18 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 18 2012, 04:48 PM)
Feedback and replies have been given, but you guys are throwing everything back at our face, just look the past 20 pages or so how many blind bashing is going on.

How is it not expectation of charity if the car truly turns out to be loss making if sold at the price you guys expected?

No doubt I understand the power of the Internet, but I've been in LYN since 2002 and have seen how it degraded from nice proper discussion into mere trolling post.

And what can I do about your feedback? I am not in a position to change the pricing or make such decision, all I can do is forward these feedback up to someone I know in SD and it's up to them whether to entertain me or not. If you want a more direct approach why not call up Sime Darby HQ and give your feedback there directly?

You guys don't seem to understand how dealership system work, we are just authorized to sell Hyundai cars, nothing else.
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I understand your frustration and that is why we don't blame you. We all very well knows who is calling the shots here.

Just out of curiousity, are you saying that the cost of the car at our malaysian ringgit cannot cover the cost as this is a suprise to me.

Ps. I also appreciate the fact that you have taken a lower commission for members here to buy and don't take this personally as the criticism is not at you. I think the passage of time since the introduction of the car to the expected launching date has been far too long and certain expectations have built over the months some realistic and some unrealistic but it could have been better managed.

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post Jan 18 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 18 2012, 05:04 PM)
The car itself(Elantra) is not a cheap car. Many compare Forte price and Elantra's price oversea and find them very close but this raise another unknown variable in the equation, is the profit margin for Forte and Elantra the same? At oversea, price is a less sensitive issue so Forte may be a car selling with a higher profit margin, they can decently spec a car and yet still have room to mark up the prices.

Just because KIA and Hyundai are sister companies, doesn't mean the cost of similar platform cars are the same or close.

This can be an explanation on why Elantra can't be priced as low as the Forte in Malaysia. NAZA may have a different business strategy with the Forte by pricing it low with a narrower profit margin. As I was saying before, I do have inside information on profit margin of Hyundai cars as well as other marques. I cannot reveal the figures, but Hyundai's profit margin is so much thinner than many other car brand out there. Point of proof, have you seen five figure over-trade for the Sonata/Tucson? I know certain Japanese make has such a high over-trade margin but the highest I've seen on Hyundai cars is RM3,000.

Another example would be the i30, many loved it, but it came as a shock that it's priced as such. So few years has passed, people started asking why not just slash the price? The simple answer is that the profit margin for the car is paper thin already there is just simply no more room to trim prices off the car.
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I appreciate your explanation, at least now I see where you are coming from. I agree the overtrade is high for Hyundai but why can't they reduce the price straight instead of giving overtrade? I love the I30 as well. I nearly bought that car but at the end went for Kia because of the pricing. I am just afraid that if pricing is not correct, we would have ruined a very good car in this market. The I30 really felt very continental and reassuring. Again it is bad business to overpriced the car and then trying to get rid of the stock later on by giving discounts.

Again many of us support Hyundai and Kia because we believe that the car is a very good alternative to the Japanese cars.

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post Feb 15 2012, 10:50 AM

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I think the new Proton if confirm with all the features will make this car difficult to sell if the pricing is not competitive.

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