Firstly, let me say that I am thankful for all the loyal supporters of sc2 and FXO from Malaysia.

But now I am going to rant on the mentality of Malaysian e-Sports (not just sc2).

One of the big reasons I live in Malaysia is because of the people. I love Malaysian people, the culture, the lifestyle and the fact they feed you no matter if there is a reason to celebrate or not. But its these things that I love that bring a reason why e-Sports in Malaysia on a professional level will most probably fail unless change occurs.

When we first suggested we would do events in Malaysia, there was a common word in every sentence by the people I spoke to to get a jist of what I should do here. That word was FREE.

Its my belief that players should always have free entry to events, and I can make that happen everytime no matter what. But that seems to not be enough. If you base an events success on the amount of free things you give to the community the minute you stop giving away free things, the event dies. Its a bad habit to get into. And is a reason no one will be successful.

Take for instance FXO 1.. 10-20 of the people who joined the tournament only showed up for lucky draw.. That includes some close friends of mine.

How is e-sports going to survive if people only show up for free stuff?

Then there is spotgamers sc tournament. Struggling to get anyone to show up, they announced free AMD mobo or something along those lines, for anyone who enters. Immediately the tournament got a good number of participants. But if they dont give that free thing again, they wont get the same numbers. So it will essentially die if they dont give free things.

Infact when they announced the AMD mobo thing my skype chat was filled with how people are gonna get it and sell it for money. By any standards, this is disgusting. Rich or poor, it could almost be considered theft.

So, HOW is malaysian e-sports going to survive?

There are dedicated people such as pRoGeney, a bunch of nDL guys (not all) and a few of the top players (who have other issues to deal with such as their attitude towards the community), who will always be there. But will it grow accordingly?

Starcraft 2 is now 29.99 USD. According to statistics, its price is now in the comfort mark for Malaysian people to spend on luxury items. (about 98 RM approximately). But because the price is affordable isn't enough because there is no exposure. No investment and worst of all, little TRUE community support.

I am sure no matter what I do I can get a good showing of players to an event, mostly because of free things. But where does it go from there? To get external people to enter the community you need firstly to have approachable stars (The stars of malaysian SC2 ARE NOT approachable..... They can b**** me as much as they like about saying this). You need to have a community that will support sc2 no matter what (this doesnt mean spending money). And you need to show that no matter what other people think, you are here (where ever you may be) to support the event because you enjoy it, and nothing but that.

Being too lazy to support something you have passion about, means you are not passionate about it. Spending a saturday or sunday with people who are your friend should have no excuse like "10 min drive too far lah". To be honest, if 10 min drive is too far, then you are a bad friend to begin with.


So now Malaysian e-sports is in this bad habit of mooching which is damaging its growth. How do we fix it?

I am not sure really..... I don't know if it can be fixed. I had made big plans for a Malaysian sc2 league to move forward. But because of the support (or lack there of) within the community, it is no longer a viable investment. Albiet the LAN's are no problem. Its alot of fun and the cost is minimal, but anything bigger is a waste of investment these days.

I have been planning to do barcraft but have been postponing it until I finished my research. I have contacts are 4 bars in Pavillion, 3 of them have shown interest. But should I do an event with the risk of everyone saying that pavillion is too far to attend? Or that there is no free gift for attending?

I know of about 10 people from the sc2 community who would 100% attend no matter what. Some would even bring a bunch of friends (ninjabear you stud!!). But it shouldnt be up to them to support the thing you love. IT should be up to EVERYONE to do it...

So, how far are you willing to go to support malaysian e-sports?

it's like questioning which comes first. Chicken or egg?

For me, there aren't enough many 'serious' people out there in Malaysia who is into this game.
Why?

Most of them think
"I'm wasting my time playing this thing 6-8 hours a day coz i won't get money out of it"
"Izzit worth it for me to spend my time for this game?"


For instance golf and bowling u can get many participants if organize a tourney coz they have this 'handicap' system which gives advantage to the noobs..

But still I respect the organizers of e-sports in Malaysia to give more coverage and motivation for all the so called playing as a hobby players to indulge in a more serious manner..

Most Foreign pro gamers practice no where near 8 hours per day.

I think the e-sports scene in Malaysia are still in it's infancy stage.
But a few years later with the help and initiative of the organizers, I think it will grow..
Another thing that can trigger this, is if one or two of our players win an international or regional competition. With the media coverage it can give motivation to all the e-sports fans to indulge into this scene!

Nice article. So when are there going to be an event in Sarawak and Sabah? There's plenty of SC2 players here as well.

Another important factor for success is that organizer should abolish the barriers between pro players and wanna be pros. Biggest issue I think are that pro players here are too arrogant and seldom want to mix with those up and comers. Usually people wants to go for fun lively community events and not going to some event to see some pro's showing off and bash other players. Pros should act like spokesman and promote interest for the games, not showing off and demoralize losing teams. Just my 2 cents. All the BEST with your events. Will surely attend it if held in East Malaysia.

I agree and have touched on the pro's issues in the article.

Malaysian e-sports is not in infancy. Its been around for a long time since brood war and the original free server of dota.

I have money to pump into it. But the investment is BAD because of the community.

It is no longer up to the organiser, its up to the community to show the organisers the investment is worth while.

Malaysian sponsors are even very very very negative when I have approached them about e-sports. Having done their research they are aware of the same habits in Malaysia and the return on investment would be almost zero.

The one thing that Malaysia can rely on though, is its patriotism and community mentality. If people can start to create new habits within the community, the money will come.

talk about dedication.

mad props to nDLbioballer *gan!!* nDLecho nDLrayzer and their guardian who did came all the way from PENANG and stayed in a freaking RM100 a night hotel just to attend FXO 1st OPEN.

and gan said that they gonna come for the 2nd one as well..

THATS DEDICATION right there. ppl in kl-slangor-perak-ns who whined that the venue is 20mins away when it shud be next to their home.. shame on you.

Yeh echo etc, and their dad or whoever the guy was.. Showed trued dedication, and I hope they enjoyed their time also. Thats the kind of dedication that made Korean, and Us e-sports WORK.

Yah, glad that there's someone fighting and promoting e-sports in Malaysia. I also personally hope that our e-sport scene will bloom. I've organized a tournament last year, its really hard to find a sponsor, so I sponsor the prize. Reception was ok and there's lots of cool gamers here in Malaysia. Few players even helped me to coordinate, execute and supervise the tournament in my absence.

Look. Here's the fact.

Except for the few of the people here that are actively playing SCII competitively, SCII is not all that popular.

The most popular competitive game in Malaysia has, and will be DotA and its variants for the foreseeable future.

Unless you can make SCII as appealing to Malaysians when compared to DotA, this will happen all the time.

I assume a lot of Malaysian gamer like to play team play than solo game, and easy management like DOTA than multi-task game such as SC2.

We are not disputing the fact that majority of gamers play LoL/Dota. We are purely talking about the way malaysians view the events. I think you would agree swap sc2/Lol/dota around and the same issues would arise

Based on what I've seen. If you swapped out SCII and replace it with DotA, you will get a crowd regardless of whether or not there is free shit being given out.

Well to be honest, DotA has dominated the Malaysia gaming scene, for an example, you can just go to any CC, or even a sucky CC in the kampung (old town) area, you will see those kids or adult plays dota

And base of radkiller's comment, yes its true, no matter theres free gift or no, they don't give a damn, just join.

While I agree the crowd would be bigger due to the higher % of players. We were happy with the first crowd for our event. Any more than what we had last event can be too much for one weekend so its not so much the crowd that we are speaking of. Its the underlying attitude that has been seen. Which will haveto change if esports events will make money and not be kept afloat by sponsors then dissapear because they have no fallback

malaysian gamer mentality just weird

SCII RM200+ = exp
dota alot ppl play coz free
HoN/LoL = free but somehow those free skin,champ etc etc = exceed 200+ yet they feel it cheap
MMORPG = F2P but cash item = used more than RM500++(previous me) yet they feel it free coz hey it is F2P game

i got few dota fren i got ask them play sc2 b4 they all just say to me it is expensive n yet they all got ps3/xbox at home while i dun have any one of those

malaysia gamer just weird thats all i could say boss

^ this...

i dunno from the other side bt from nDL side u can see lots of ppl turned up for the event jz to support the event such as the Penang dudes (echo, baller) as well as the Klang side (like bulu, adam who dont even practice =.=)...
even i joined to support when i gotta go at 3.30 (then drove back to support the event after i settled my stuffs) >.<
one of the issue imho is it being a 2day event where i think unless there are really nt enuff time, a full 1 day event would be much better...

its better than most of the hypocrits in the forum who bash others for trying to make esport work/ 'pro theory crafters'/ 'elitist' whom end up not joining a single event at all till now (u all know the people i meant)...

thus there are both the good and the bad in the community...
potential is there, but to make it grow there is the need to educate the public...

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i think overall FXO #1 did showed a pretty good turnout and i dun think cause it is free...
what the free thing did was creating the 'i got nothing to lose' mindset for the non-pro players...
i do agree that after the initial stage, the whole free mindset shouldn't be there anymore as a entry barrier is needed besides the obvious cost covers...

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as for the whole free proc thingy, i knw who are u talking about in the skype lol...
but i think only 1 person from that channel actually went to the event after all...
then again, he do play the game and did go there to win rather than jz for the proc...
it maybe a marketing gimmick but it work...

i think those in the channel would know why i decided nt to join the sportgamers event regardless of the free proc or nt...

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the reason why dota/ lol is popular is cause it is free and tat's basically it...
dota is pretty much a dead game in the international scene and dota2 is crap (yes i have beta and it is total crap)...
lol is doing very well internationally especially in EU and i do agree it is way better than dota...
u can say msians are lagging behind in the esport scene...

still the msian sc2 community is huge (btw the SEA version was around rm150 when we all got it)...
when u get on bnet u can see the number of ppl...
only problem is most of them are casuals and does nt take it seriously...

Malaysians are cheapskates.

LoL/HoN , and F2PMMORPGs are popular because they don't have to pay a single cent upfront. If they want anything from the item shop, they will willingly spend the money to get it since they will think it is cheaper.

DotA isn't free per se, its just pirated from hell to back in Malaysia. And with those private servers, hamachi and flying spaghetti monster, they don't need to pay a single cent to play it.

SCII on the other hand is 200 ringgit upfront or no game.

Guess which will appeal more?

At the end of the day it still comes to the players' mentality and how they perceive the game. It's actually pretty simple imo, players that play the game casually and are not "dedicated" to the game will only attend events that will offer some sort of freebie (be it a lucky draw, or signup goodie bag) Whereas on the other hand, the ones that are dedicated to starcraft 2 ( they do not necessarily have to be good in the game ) will try their best to join ANY starcraft 2 event, as long as the event is accessible to them.

So now the big question is, how many people out there are TRULY into Starcraft 2? I guess heavy promotion and frequent SC2 related events will act as a catalyst to encourage more dedicated players.

Th whole point to the argument Boss is bringing up is exactly this attitude, if this is the case, where is the incentive for sponsor to support a community who is admittantly biased to free things. their advertising will go nowhere since their product isnt free?

I've shared this article on my Facebook, and got some reply from some of my friend, but they are in the other scene (CS1.6/CSS).



I don't does it fits into the topic lol.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Nov 30 2011, 03:44 PM

im cheapskate but i join any tourney possible including online 1 eventhough i m cheapskate

I love this game (SC II).
I consider it as my hobby and if i have the chance to enter a tourney with free registration, i will.

The event created by sportsgamer, when they did a RM30 registration fee, honestly I don't think it's worth it for me as I know that I can't compete with the pros + it's a knockout torney.

But when they announce they'll give some freebies, then I think it's worth the RM30 pay..

I think a few points have been proven already in this thread.

I have attended multiple game events in Malaysia and they are all the same in terms of habits mentality etc. It all would have transpired from one particular scene and spread at a time. It could have been broodwar or wc3 or dota.. Or even fifa..

The game I am trying to market originally is sc2 because its easier to watch from an external point of view. (People who dont play the game).

If DOTA was a game that 1) was new 2) was entertaining to those who dont play it and 3) not a team game full of people who threaten to kill me at lan cafes..

I would support it.

CS:S was a failed game... 1.6 crapped all over it and the game itself is a failure. Hence cs:GO being rushed.

I was once a CS pro. I wish CS was a good game to bring to the world, but other than playing it, its pretty crappy to watch. Especially with the calibre and accuracy of todays pros.

i haven buy sc2 enuf said

sc2 was made with esport in mind...
the UI makes it easy to follow and the casters really make it awesome (analytical + commentator)...
and who dont like lasers (hint: war of the world in PvP)...

compared to MOBA like Dota...
15min of pure farming doing ntg, auto-attack carries, bad commentary, lack of memorable moments and ppl dying so fast...
at least LoL (if u watch the big events) fixed lots of stuffs which made it watchable...
ask those who ever watched LoL competitively and would agree that dota is horrible to watch...

the same issue roughly in CS where it is nt suitable for the spectator...
being a team game is one thing and FPS is another...
compared to Quake:Live which is actually decent =p

for fighting games, it require really good players to shine out...
i did follow SSF4 in EVO2011 and i jz saw the one in dreamhack last weekend...
the dreamhack one was sooo damn freaking horrible =.=

errr for me and my team (cod4).we dont really think about winning the game.we just play and hope for the best.win or lose is nothing.the EXPERIENCE is valuable.who wanna give u a shouting moment in tourney dude ?

This post has been edited by sayyidbest: Nov 30 2011, 04:29 PM

Totally agree with you.

Wow I've been bz for the afternoon and this is what I see.

Its really hard to change Malaysian's attitude, thats why whe ph41L in so many aspect compared to US and Korea.

Needless to say that this is just a hobby, maybe if we can get people to like SC2 as much as soccer than we might have a chance.

btw I only read what boss said, there are too many things for me to read. at work...

As for barCraft I am willing to come as long as it does not clash with friend's wedding. Pavillion to me is an excellent location, even though I am from iPoh, and since when do people get freebies going to a bar to watch a TV sports show. @.@

As for friends, well the only friends I know that would go to a Bar for starcraft are people from here.

How far? hmm as long as I am free, Id join even though its RM30 for entree since I come all the way from iPoh.

This post has been edited by fujkenasai: Nov 30 2011, 04:45 PM

I hope i can join 2nd FXO but thn flight ticket is .....

Agree. One of the many reason why there is not a lot of people playing SC2 in Malaysia. Since it was free, some of my friends have been playing it. But after a few days go back to Dota...

Terrence 'MrBlue' Wong said these in fb when he saw this article

"And face it. The SC2 community is shit in Malaysia. DotA does not have a lot of the problems that SC2 have that was stated in the article. "

I view his profile, he is Division Leader DotA (Editorial) at GosuGamers.net.

So, whts your comment? Should i say he is a dotard or all malaysians are dotard?

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Added on November 30, 2011, 6:32 pmIts fun to watch dota when they gank around but not when they farming. For me, after i watch ppl play in tourney, im so excited wanted to play the game especially those special move. This is the feeling after i watch sc2.

This post has been edited by drakeria: Nov 30 2011, 06:32 PM

Malaysian is still new with PRO-gaming. In fact, there aren't enough tournament for the player to commit with.

DotA tournament? CS tournament? SMM, WCG, ESWC? For the whole year and you get 3 MAJOR tournament? and the stakes is you might not win any of them.

Malaysian still doesn't consider PRO-gaming as an occupation. I glad BoSs has made the 1st move by organizing FXOpen but it still not enough. We can't expect every tournament are hosted by FXO. I did see Orange CC hosting a few tournament but it's not Starcraft 2. I did see Gizmo hosting a few tournament but it's not Starcraft 2.

There are just too many games to begin with. DotA, LoL, HoN, CS1.6, CoD4, MAT, SA, SC2, and i did see SDO?. Which games should the players to commit with? Everybody know how to play all the game but they just need to find something which is worth commit for.

Free or not isn't the problem now but what is really the problem is are PRO-gaming worth the time and energy to commit with. IMO though.

Are you from kch? How you know gizmo?
Btw, free or not is a BIG deal. If you are kch ppl, u should know how many ppl got a sc2 acc and wht is it so.

first off, i will be VERY frank on this despite the impending elitist/*******/troll remarks. hell, i've been perceived a such anyways for all i can remember, so what does it matters anyways? to you from me, take it or leave it, entirely up to you. again as a reminder, this is of my personal views/opinions/perspective, if you (or anyone else) dont like it or have a problem with it, f*** off

now to begin.

Your views on potential problems vs what/where i stand:

- money
to people who even know me for a bit (only need to take maybe 5 minutes to click on my siggy) would know quite easily i have absolutely no problems on forking out, regardless of my financial status or how i spend like a total retard

- transportation and/or distances issues (potential excuse)
i LOVE driving my car. even if its not the best car on the road (year 1999 proton iswara, who am i kiddin?) i drove this baby down to penang, ipoh, even singapore from KL, and i never complaint about it. i spend a fortune on it to the point it has no selling value, from complete overhauls to part replacements to ICE. for the records anyways, driving to cyberjaya MMU was never an issue. which i will address very soon.

- disgusting mentality of freebies
for spotgamers i did voiced out faintly on my first post on the thread:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=46956107

i was a participant for the cyberfusion (read: passion) held previously. and no doubt i got their amd processor, and god was i frustrated to get rid of it. to be VERY FRANK. even if they did not gave out free procs, i would've gone eitherway to push myself to my limits, and because i was still very passionate towards gaming, and most importantly, because a group of my friends went along with me. (although, if you relate to that, almost half of said friends went because of the freebies, while i cant be certain of this, as i am speaking from my viewpoint, it may be very much so the case as they arent hardcore gamers)

- friends
now that we are on spotgamers, in the end, i never went. (which i also mentioned in the said thread)
no one amongst my friends want to go, i have already stopped being a hardcore (or passionate, if you would prefer) gamer, even more so since i have gotten my new job, which requires 24/7 standby, and many graveyard shift activities, in a nutshell, i pretty much had no personal life for the first few months i got this job. The pay is well, and i need it due to my increasing debts, but thats more of a personal matter than addressing this thread at hand.

if i have no friends thats willing to follow me, and i am totally not passionate enough to do this alone, what else would there be to drive me to go to spotgamers event? (or any other events, like the ones you organized, organizing in the present or future for example)

- The Malaysian SC2 community
tada! the main spotlight of what i am wanting to voice.

i am absolutely disgusted, and i absolutely loath the Malaysian SC2 community. its too filled with hypocrites, shitty malaysian mentality (includes but not limited to the ones you have ranted), wannabe elitists, wannabe trolls - or in a nutshell, f***ing posers.

If you were active around when sc2 was launched, i was quite active with almost everything in this forum, to joining tournaments (vista lasik) to joining other malaysians (who are willing to goto US servers at least), to posting replays, guides and what not over the racial threads. what happened down the road?

it is just not worth it anymore.

if i am not in a clique (you yourself are DAMN CLEAR on the "not approachable" part), id just be show down easily by whatever i do. regardless the effort or if i am right or wrong, or if it is sensible or not.

That, backing up with my new job, my losing interests towards gaming in general, is what results in my standpoint towards the Malaysian SC2 community as a whole.


Now finally. if i have absolutely NO REASON to show up at events even if i could (money and transportation/distance). Why would i be?

unless something drastic is changing, my answer to your question of "So, how far are you willing to go to support malaysian e-sports?" will forever remain the same: "Nope."

And if you decide to forsaken the community just like i did, i do not blame you one bit, In fact you yourself also understood clearly. i mean, my education is low considering today's standards, however with so many years working in the big corporate world, i understand very well that the world revolves around money, You need money to get things done and what ever money you are investing, ultimately you would want returns as any sane businessman would be.

i don't know why malaysian's are still in the freebie/cheapskate mentality. to be honest i sometimes dont even understand that part (admittedly, that can be quite hypocritical even from me) because thats just totally naive. my only relief is that i do see more people understanding the saying "good things arent cheap, cheap things arent good", because being an active participant in other forums such as the ICE/audiophile forums, or even hobby forums, i've seen FAR TOO MANY faggots paying for peanuts and expecting high returns. But that's bullshit, they can blame govt, blame whoever, blame god, but fact is you need money for things, and the less you pay, the less you get.

now, im going too far into this rant, and it is coming quite close to RWI material already (which frankly, i find it either boring, or too tedious/tldr to bother) so ill cut this short:

Barcraft, i can and dont mind attending so long i dont get sudden night jobs (my dept usually opposes weekend jobs so normally, it should be no issue) as i can just treat it as a casual drinking session, and i could use some alchohol to cool off some work stress per say. however if its not happening, i hold nothing against you and again, it is fully understandable.

Neither. There is a lot more to what I meant in that comment which in hindsight I guess I should phrase it better. The competitive SC2 community is pretty much non-existent in Malaysia, in fact I would go so far as to say that there is pretty much no competitive SC2 community outside of Europe, America and Korea. The thing with SC2 games besides the gamer mentality of wanting it to be free and so on is that we as Malaysian gamers prefer team games over individual games and the "accessibility" of the said game. Both reasons why games like DotA and Sudden Attack(Dropping I know, but was pretty big at its peak) pretty much thrive in the competitive scene. SC2 is a very resource heavy game and lets face it, only "elitist" can afford the setup to run it properly without lag and everything, that itself already hinders the development of the competitive community (Let us not talk about pricing since that is a whole other ballpark). That and like I said, team games > individual games in the Malaysian community.

You and your grandmother story

Not that you don't have friends to go with you, you don't have much choices of friends to go with you

Why you so shy to mix with us? Wanna be foreverkeyboardwarrior?

I heard that you called renson a noob for that vista lasik event, and he pawned you badly

I <3 renson, he is a good guy. Prolly the most noble player among all prodigyians

such a sad-day to be a malaysian then. T__T

I personally try to attend as many tourneys as possible, regardless of registration fee or not (I even drag my friends along as well) As cliche as it sounds, it's more of the spirit of competition and the atmosphere surrounding it that appeals to me, even more so than the prize money itself. Meeting new people, talking about the game, sharing a laugh or two, grabbing a bite in between matches all make it worthwhile at the end of the day.

Although it makes me sad to say, I do agree that the Malaysian mentality present in our society today is very real and as we all know, the main reason that is setting e-sports in Malaysia back. Truth be told, I don't know if this problem will ever go away. You might say, "hey, I don't have to do anything, I'll leave it to the rest of the community", NO. This is the sort of attitude that is very common among Malaysians. And especially since the starcraft scene is relatively small, everyone's effort is exponentially more important.

THIS is exactly what i am talking about.

however since i do have a bit of spare time, i will humor you up:

- sure man, you would know how many friends i make (feel free to dig up on me, the need to proof myself towards your level is just sad)

- i've been to so many TTs amongst other communities within LYN and they *were* complete strangers to begin with. heck, for the sake of SC2 anyways, i've been to the gath fuj organized (one of the main reason is i knew him since way back then during /AS/ days)

and i think chobo (iinm? for a short while) and ash was there too? sorry, couldnt remember whos who ^^;
feel free to correct me fuj

- i dont recall calling renson a noob, and i will admit that he did pwned me very badly
in fact, i do have replays to prove it, and i dont recall ever chatting to him at all outside our games.

what that means is that, the burden of proof is upon you.

Hello BoSs, I play CS1.6 competitively here in Malaysia and have only just started to get serious on SC2. So, here are my 2 cents:

I, for one fully support your attempts on making SC2 bigger here in Malaysia.

What you've said regarding community mentality is true, I have no qualms about that. The thing is, computer games and e-Sports in general in Malaysia, whether you like it or not, is still very much in its infancy.

Let's take a look at CS1.6. How many years did it take for a (for a lack of a better word) professional team to be cooked up in the scene? Answer should be the best part of 9 years. Orange E-Sports CS was only found in the middle of half this year. Why is that? Why did it take so long?

Imo, Malaysian gamers lack the motivation to become better. Previously, tournament prizes would be a solid motivator for players (because it's huge). When Orange announced that they would be sponsoring a team that performs well in their tournament earlier this year, we had A LOT of teams practising to get sponsored (including me).

If you look at the CS scene right now, Team Hybrid won the recent WCG. Yet I can safely say 3 of their players did not touch CS 1.6 since the last WCG (I know them personally). Why are they still so good? The only answer I can think of is sacrifice. They have sacrificed a lot of their time in the past to practise and be one of the most feared teams in SEA. Malaysian gamers right now in general do NOT want to sacrifice anything to be better.

Us in the community depend (perhaps too much) on the organizers to give us a well run tournament with a huge prize money. I know that as an organizer, you will consider your return on investment on these tournaments, but isn't business all about risk? And if you, a big name in SC2 worldwide gives up on us, then we can never change. This problem goes both ways imo.

Here's a recent community effort in the CS 1.6 scene: Karnal PLAY.
Imo, sponsors like SteelSeries and Razer will always support the gaming scene here in Malaysia. And you, from FXO should have no problems securing their sponsorship. Why did I bring Karnal PLAY into this? Well this tournament is done solely for the community, by Team Karnal (big props to them). Basically the team fork out a huge chunk of their own cash so that the community will have something big to play for.

This way the players have something to look forward to, to train for. I may be contradicting myself a little bit but I think you shouldn't dwell too much on the ROI. eSports is really something new here, but I think Spotgamers are going the right way on it. Hell if their sponsor, AMD wants to throw in a couple of freebies, why not? It's their stuff anyway, and it attracts players (which is what tournaments are about right?).

Maybe you can start with online competitions like the ones SC2SEA and ESL SEA has, and start from there. Perhaps you could start a small online competition and build up from there. Those online cups have mad participation. Maybe start with BSGs or something. I don't know. We just need more exposure and motivation.

I love what you are trying to do here, and honestly I hope you don't quit. Props to Spotgamers as well, they deserve it, and from what I heard they're gonna organize the next tournament around February .

I for one would do anything to help make E-Sports huge here. But I don't have the funds, nor the proper channels to do so. The best I can do is tell my friends to join tournaments that are organized by you guys who do! I'm sure we can make it work if everyone would push a little bit, as it will go a long way.

Go FXO, go Spotgamers let's make E-Sports something viable in Malaysia.

Edit: I honestly think free entries to tournaments are crap. Make players pay for it. Then the tournament will have a bigger sense of prestige (Provided you prepare a bigger prize pool ). Players will train harder, and get better and wouldn't want to waste their money.

This post has been edited by slimyboy: Nov 30 2011, 08:26 PM

Why don't FXOpen open a starcraft 2 training center here as it will help boost players skill and encourage more people to join. More skilled players = more tournaments and the game will be popular here. Just like in Korea, there are many teams that offered training from the 1st day sc2 was launched.

quaza~ 1st way to support malaysia esport~ especially sc2~ get a SEA acc 1st then attend next fxopen#2 okay? we meet there n hav a cup of tea

kaiz can be quaza's best fren and go every event #together4ever

Why?

cheapstake mentality.

FoXboss, I salute for your passion for want making Malaysia an e-sport country...but you should give up on this, unless you are super rich and willing to spend your own fortune to attract the new bloods or increase people's awareness of starcraft 2 competitive scene. Finding a reliable sponsor is quite difficult in Msia.

Starcraft, to be precise, 1v1 is never going to be big hit in Msia. It is all about team game. This is why DoTa or Counterstrike are so popular in Msia competitive scene.

People said that Starcraft 2 isn't popular in Msia is because its expensive price. Well, I doubt it it going to make any difference even it is free. Starcraft 1 was free and well-established and every cyber cafe have it, but then, how many players actually play 1v1 game? From my experience in my local town? None. It was all about custom maps. Same goes to Warcraft 3.

Although I like Starcraft2, there is always a time that I can't stop thinking like this, "Oh man, I just spent 2 hours on Starcraft 2 today..What have I done? I should use the 2 hours for doing something more productive such as earning more money or read some books and etc". Sound pretty pathetic, isn't it? I am actually going against what I like to do because of "money" mentality. I know my problem yet I can't discard it from my mind.

I may sound pessimistic here...but this is what I really thought about Msia SC2 competitive scene.

This is a good idea but as you know, some people who assume they are pro with high ego, talk down on noobs. (I found one already, didnt take me long). This demotivate them, which in time they have no intrest in SC2.
I do meet uber noobs before and i let him win over me, even he know i give him chance cause i told him what he need to build and i keep yanking his chain.
Such as why Blizzard remove the win/lose ratio. People see wins, they are motivated. People saw lose, they demotivated and consort to hacking for win even leave the SC2 game for another. True Story

I really wonder who all these "BM" or "wanna-be" pros are. Everyone i've met so far seems decent enough =/

It's sad to say this but the this attitude doesn't only applies to Gamer... I'm at full support for Malaysian E-sports.. Cant attend spot-gamer and as i'm having my exam.... On how to fix this, it's hard to say.... I'm doing my part on converging my friends to support e-sports in whole, (some of them are hardcore fighting games), they did joined WCG... With the spotlight now on UMVC3, they're looking forward for some tourney in Singapore, and converted a few dotard to spend their money for SC2.... But to be honest, it's really really hard to fix this problem, lacks of media coverage?.... I guess with a few coverage on local newspaper or broadcast station... things will improve (I guess )

even the MTG scene has declined...
most major events used to be held at hotel ballrooms back then but recently it was only the nationals...
still back then, u have ppl from east msia flying over jz to join qualifiers in west msia...
one of the biggest draw of MLG was the prices where PT qualifiers will give u flight tickets to where the PT is held...
quite a number of MTG players also flew to various GP events on their own jz to join...

atm, gaming doesnt really have such draw within msia...

sappork esport lor~ @@

MTG means Magic?.... erm... never really into card games....

I did know they have quite a few tourney here and there back then... =_=...

It's rare enough to hear about it now... LOL

re:training centre.. Because when I offered to do this, most people had conditional show up times.. Which was too much for me to handle. I am not someone who arranges my life to suit myself.

re: Super rich to drag into the community. I have the money at my disposal, but I am not an idiot. I will only spend wisely. I am trying to come up with the unique recipe to make things work. Its entirely possible to happen, but I need the people power (about 100 or so followers who will show up as much as possible to any event) If I can get this. I can make it work.

But at the same time, I have to justify the amount of work I am doing for e-sports.. Currently 30+hrs a week. And remember I run a global financial services company.

I guess the point of my article was "HALP GIZE, I NEED EASY SUPPORT"...I know i have alot of peoples support. But I am hoping that the sc2 community can be the ones to buck the trend and make everyone else jealous.


re: Gosugamers dota guy.. He is just protecting his product. I know very well that the dota community here is like the dota community in Aus... Unpredictable, sometimes violent and very bad mannered. I would happily enter an argument about this given my experience with Malaysian dota gamers in the past (at cyber cafes and stabbing threats.. ya know).

re: CS 1.6, I was a 1.6 pro. The community has always been solid and supportive. But the global viewership is complicated. Its not an easy game to watch, but a damn good one to play.

it all starts with general public perception.
without it, the so-called gaming community (not just sc2,but other platforms of gaming) will be tumbling into a decline and then lost its attractiveness.

i also was one of the participant of the Cyberfusion 2009 LAN party (which I survived,barely )...the gaming scene brought up by those guys over there absolutely blew my mind off.at that time,i was thinking...
"really,u guys bought ori games?talk about dedication.."

thus,when economy permits,i bought myself few games. to tell u the truth,my 1st ori game is of course...Starcraft 2! although it's on the free-play weekend that time,but what the heck...that's where i meet those guys from nDL.

& another thing about nDL,i was really taken aback when the founders of nDL were in fact, Malays. (sorry,had to go into racist mode a bit..but not in the threatening mode.just stating the obvious.) even during the cyberfusion '09 as well as spotgamers tourney,majority of the participants are Chinese,not Malays/Indians/etc.

my suggestion,if the e-sport scene can get more Malay players..it would bring more benefit to the overall scene.then,the local press would be more inclined to feature them in the papers (let's face it,most dailies are ignorant of e-sports..unless got some sort of achievement..)

btw,the most ripe & juicy place to incorporate e-sports are during the uni years..unfortunately,most of the public uni always block the connection to most online games.break that barrier,and more ppl (especially those in the 90's ppl) will be better exposed to online gaming & e-sports in general.

in the mean time,i'll do my part in promoting online gaming (for example, TF2 and SC2) to my juniors back in the uni,so that they'll be more interested in joining them.too many of them still only on laptops,playing PES

Yes, i am from Kuching, Sarawak and i am aware of the numbers of SC2 players in Kuching is relatively low. Why this happen? There isn't a single tournament (Don't count in the one online tournament which only for below-platinum) happened in Kuching. If there is no tournament, there is no PRO-gaming. Even if there is tournament, there's only 1 or 2. Would you spent $30 on a game and play like a PRO-gamer - >10hr/day - when there is no place for you to shine? Only those who love the game would do so. There is few but not many CC willing to bring eSports up in Kuching, that's my opinion though.


Just some of my idea which PERHAPS can bring eSports up in Malaysia. (I typed this while i half drunk/dreaming) Don't click it.

nice saying bro...

yup magic the gathering...
it was really huge and still is atm...
u have casuals which doesnt join tournaments but will join events like around 100-300 ppl (thus hotel ballroom for those events) when it is centralized for KL besides around 30 of them for weekly events...
then u have the hardcores who join tournaments in all format around 50-100 players per tournament...

it was the crowd and reward which really draw me to mtg last time...
it is among the best game i've played and very very skill intensive with suits me...
but the other draws was the community as well as the reward/ prize payout...

Btw, me and my friends has organised a sc2 onlone tourney but the turn up is bad only less thn 10 ppl attend even with theprize offering. Just face it that players here just like FREE things.

The sc2 scenes in east malaysia is the worst! Here is all about dota abs CS only. Apart from that, no more. Has been discussed with those cc like Gizmo, they promise they will start organising sc2 tourney but thn tillnow still no news from them. Quite disappointed with them.

i think u can see the amount of support so far, but as u said before it is nt enuff to make it really big...
one thing i noticed among my frens is that they are watching sc2 games (i have close frens who stayed up with me for MLG events etc) and before that they rarely watch any game tournaments and used to only follow sports...
that's the great part about sc2 as it is more of a sport rather than a game especially when u have all the awesome drama/ storyline (ppl like idra, mc etc)...
just that the public aint really aware of it...

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and yeah, CS is really awesome but the problem is when those games are streamed/ casted everything feels so messy even for CS players themselves...
the public are nt able to keep up or understand the complexity of the techniques used...
it is really different from the edited videos which we saw on youtube of good plays which are totally wicked sick to watch >.<

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Added on November 30, 2011, 11:29 pmps:

i rather have the current civilized sc2 community (those that actually went to events instead of yadda yadda yadda over online) than the dota community which threatens to settle outside or other hooligan act...
if u actually went to the events and interact with them, it is such a great experience...

btw: where is the writeup/ pics for FXO #1???

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 30 2011, 11:29 PM

Gizmo has hosted bunch of tournament. They even promised to host a CoD4 tournament but the community just GGed. I talked to them as well, and i know it's hard when you the only CC in the whole area hosting bunch of tournament. There's involve lot's of planning, sponsorship, income, popularity, etc in hosting a tournament. What we can do now is hoping someone would take the 1st move, but in Bolehland, i doubt so.

If only Gizmo focus on one or two game, that's more than enough. Imagine a whole year, 12 months, every 1/2 months got a small tournament, and at the end of the year, big tournament = profits. It's easier to said than done so i doubt it would happen UNLESS there is sponsorship though. The problem now, like i said in the previous previous posts, there is TOO MUCH game for a normal gamer to commit with. Try focus 1/2 game is enough.

Thats why i dont hope progaming scenes grow well in kch, hope i can get to west m'sia soon. A tleast there is much better thn here. Here? WORST!

i thought i mentioned i don't want to?

you try to convince me otherwise then

Malaysian are cheapstakes and kiasu

They wont join if they know there is no chance for them to win.(no win = no money)

Complain eSports is not "happening" in Malaysia while themselves dont even support it.

ure saying teamplay game easier?

Dem, i 'terasa' you know!

if such wonderful gamer like u no support~ how esport in malaysia gonna grow especially SC2?

aiyo skit skit emo dun wan support then go hide at NA~ be a man buy a SEA acc join us~ make sc2 grow big in malaysia~

btw teamgame in malaysia especially dota is sickening~ sumtimes it cause fear to play in dota~ u own too hard ur opponent will find u and beat u
u feed too hard ur teammate will find and beat u~ either way will kena beaten~ not to mention MMORPG too~ i been threaten outside FTZ by opposing clan leader bcoz guildwar in game~ @@

so far i found sc2 community very comfortable~especially scrubbie n geney from pRo is especially scrubbie~ he is a funny dude~
my clanmate good too if u wanna find them to troll together thou~ @@

p/s: until now i havent get any threatening from winning in sc2~ thats what make i feel good playing sc2 compare other game

i think this is exactly the mentality fxo afraid the most....ppl dont want to join with a price if they sure lose. sometimes, its not about winning losing, its about paying a price to enjoy a tournament..

the previous WCG n fxopen#1 even got silver/bronze/gold join~ just that they were unlucky 1st round meet master/GM~ hope even more will turn up at the coming fxopen#2

when got free processor . all join !! that is 1malaysia la .

like our gov BN . when got free gift all vote for BN !

This post has been edited by nagflar: Dec 1 2011, 10:18 AM

Perhaps a solution is if all communities join together and support each other. But that would have to mean an end to the bs flaming between games....

Just stating the obvious..

Video Game Industry @ Malaysia:
Do what you want, ‘cause a pirate is free,
YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Yar har, fiddle di dee,
Being a pirate is alright to be,
Do what you want ‘cause a pirate is free,
You are a pirate!

(spoken)You are a pirate!
(crowd)Yay!

Its not "Easy" as easy, i mean the human brain management is not to stress out. Say you solo with people in SC2. You need to be aware, see your resources, check for enemy and so forth which makes them feel "uncomfortable" because its your decision and sometimes if the enemy show you his army and you compare to theirs, he might lose confidence immediately do bad in the game and quits. With team mate, you get the feeling of " I got your back, you got mine." Just like DOTA, if you have low confidence against your enemy but your friend might have confidence beat that person but in the other hand, you have confidence beat the guy your friend cant beat. So this is a win-win situation of your confidence pooling against another.

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Added on December 1, 2011, 11:49 amMake community for Malaysian Starcraft 2 player with condition .. just like MBT Battlefield.


This post has been edited by TruthHurts: Dec 1 2011, 11:49 AM

There are so many immature guys in all these games especially dota, it is almost a 90 degrees hill.

Real life DOTA stats = Ego boost +1 for every hero kills. Ultimate Level 6 (Intimidate), Level 11(Trash talks), Level 16 (EGO OVER-CHARGE ( Intimidate+Trash talks+Swearing+claiming GOD of DOTA+Spamming could beat any pros)

Tbh trash talk makes playing games more interesting (like IdrA or naniwa) but I guess this is competitive trash talking lol

This post has been edited by slimyboy: Dec 1 2011, 02:15 PM

there's a big difference between: -
- trash talk for drama/ rivalry/ hype like idra, naniwa, mc etc (that's why they are damn famous and getting well paid)... SotG last week talked about this and even compared idra vs ret... both similar in skill but vast difference in followers/ fans/ sponsors/ salary...
- issuing threats like what dotards love... in sc2 one of such person which come to mind is combatEX... look at how the community in sc2 cast him aside until recently he realize how bad it is being shafted...

Pretty much its the malaysian mentality, no free stuff no show up or even if theres free stuff people are just "lazy" to attend.

I told my friends "hey lets go to this tourney, doesn't matter if you're bronze or gm or whatever, lets have fun, meet people, etc" and they say "nah lazy" even if i offer to fetch them.

pretty much if there's even an incentive for anyone, people still cant be bothered to show up

Just posting here doesn't bring us anywhere. The problem itself still within the WHOLE Malaysian gamer mentality. I recall this post supposed to be in the 'Gamers Hideout' but see where it went now? Starcraft? i wonder why... *You should know why this happened*

=.=~~ Origin of the threads IS from Stracraft. Some one bought it out to Gamers Hideout to have a wider range of gamer view.. me thinks.

Thank you Ayam!!! Always happen sit beside you during tourneys! Haha! Recently change to terran we should learn from each other lol!

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Added on December 1, 2011, 4:30 pmI met a guy(Jerry) who was a bronze during the recent tournament.. taught him a few things hopefully he can be gm in the future Tell your friends to drop by and say hi to me! I'll definitely layan!

This post has been edited by Calvin Seak: Dec 1 2011, 04:30 PM

Wow...this is really depressing to hear that.

Just imagine you win the 1st place in Sc2, got the prize money, walk outside the arena, and you got surrounded by 2nd's gang and beat you down.

well, 1st of all, playing sc2 in malaysia is considered a hobby, it is nowher4e yet near a multi million dollar industry like what is achieved in korea, us or europe.... to make thingsa happen a lucrative cash prize rm5k++? and continued initial investment that you probably wont see any return on a such short period of time...this will create a lot of attention and buzz around the community.

that is why so many korean youngster neglect the chance to further studies to a college or univeristgy to pursue a dream as pro gamer since the prize pool tournament is so bloody high.

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i lol'd.
2/10 for effort.

not bad not bad.

This reminds me every time i mentioned im having a tourney someday and what game im playing to some people like me, they will be like 'hey i thought u need to pay to play sc2?' or 'u play it offline or online' and if i answer 'online' they will ask 'hey i thought u need to pay to play sc2?' zzzzzzz, i mean Really?dude


it doesnt take an original sc2 copy to be an elitist, and sc2 if run is low setting, the spec requirement is just like wc3, u dont even have a pirated copy of sc2 now do u?lol


lol i thought ure the lonely zhai, it seems like u have whole a whole lot of friends xD


this is exactly what happens back in the rural area of my home town, becuz ppl are uneducated there, they dont care about politic and what they care about is having enough food supplies cuz they are poor as hell. Hence, we can safely conclude most malaysian gamers are poor as hell and dont care of having a better gaming community because they think gaming should be restrictly confined in the internet since they have paid for the internet and waste no effort to pay more of it in real life. LOL

drama is what makes sc2 community interesting but its bad when having it overdone like combatex did. combatex now doesnt even dare to attend a tournament and giving phoney excuse that he has a life which is going to university and he is trying to bluff in an interview that hes not stopping until he gets a PhD, wtf right..


IMO, before i join any gaming tourney in my life. the way i thought of joining this kind of event is a waste of time and effort if i couldnt secure a nice place in a bracket. I might be realistic but after that, i feel like event like this brings people together are make any future event a better place to hang out with friends who have the same interest, but i think this only applies to sc2 tourney and most ppl dont realise this.

The difference people are viewing dota and sc2 tourneys is that dota is free and every one will join whereas (assuming registration fee is free in this case) for sc2 u need to pay for the original copy. Let me tell u this, team game like dota, most of the time u only hang around with your team mates either online or in the tourney. Tourney for dota wont improve the community futher like sc2 tourney does cuz dota playes would have their own circle of friends already in the tourney. However for sc2, players would not have the chance to see each other if wasnt for a tourney is held and believe me, seeing each other face to face and knowing thats the guy u met in battlenet is the way to make a better gaming community, well it could be the other way around which u meet the player in the tourney 1st and then proceed to to battlenet. And i dont believe dota players would have the same experience like this, not only dota players im talking about here, but also LoL, CS, and some other team games.

So, most of the guys here are right, malaysians prefer team games more, but this is as far as these guys know, and what they dont know is one of the reasons behind why they like team games more, because players are introverted as hell (which statistically is correct because the countries which have the most introverted people in the world in around south east asia and india) or there are too many people who play dota which u dont know who to mingle with, whereas for sc2 and SEA server particularly, the community is small and people are forced to mingle with each other just to have a better gaming experience. This is what makes dota players think tourney is just a chance for them to win money and forming a better gaming community is not even relevant for their interest, just like what this guy said

sorry i have taken your words out of the context.

and i have seen real cheapskates who buy other version of sc2 than the SEA one because it is a few bucks cheaper and they dont even think of join any local tourney at the 1st instance when they are going to start the game because they have no hope in the gaming community and they have this mindset of gaming is only restricted in the internet. I dont even know if this is worth saving that few bucks and play the game having the latency issue pretending to be happy

What I wanna say here is dont view sc2 tourney as the same as other team game tourney, it is completely different in a good way and it is worth while to join and it is not just about the prize...and try to be too demanding, i know its hard and im trying to break away from that

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Dec 2 2011, 10:05 AM

Yeah, to make Sc2 an e-sport in Msia, you need to increase the prize money. I guess Rm5k for the 1st place is extremely attractive.

Also, there should be at least one tournament per month in order not to let the interests or passions fading off.

Well, in the end, it is still about money.

Prize money is not the solution to lack of good/interesting play. More events yes, more prize money ... maybe when the calibre increase.

This. I'm on holiday so hardcore practise begins so...
Moar events please .

Well at least ndlkaiz is actively involve in many sc2 tourney and support export. He also contribute to the scene and most Of us recognize him nhehav Gud reps. I would giv him 8/10 but for keyboard warrior like u 1/10 is Gud enuf. Still qq about ghost op? Lol

good for him man, and good for you

ps: if anything, you're just proving my point correct.