Nov 30 2011, 07:10 PM
QUOTE(FXOBoSs @ Nov 30 2011, 02:08 PM)
Firstly, let me say that I am thankful for all the loyal supporters of sc2 and FXO from Malaysia.
But now I am going to rant on the mentality of Malaysian e-Sports (not just sc2).
One of the big reasons I live in Malaysia is because of the people. I love Malaysian people, the culture, the lifestyle and the fact they feed you no matter if there is a reason to celebrate or not. But its these things that I love that bring a reason why e-Sports in Malaysia on a professional level will most probably fail unless change occurs.
When we first suggested we would do events in Malaysia, there was a common word in every sentence by the people I spoke to to get a jist of what I should do here. That word was FREE.
Its my belief that players should always have free entry to events, and I can make that happen everytime no matter what. But that seems to not be enough. If you base an events success on the amount of free things you give to the community the minute you stop giving away free things, the event dies. Its a bad habit to get into. And is a reason no one will be successful.
Take for instance FXO 1.. 10-20 of the people who joined the tournament only showed up for lucky draw.. That includes some close friends of mine.
How is e-sports going to survive if people only show up for free stuff?
Then there is spotgamers sc tournament. Struggling to get anyone to show up, they announced free AMD mobo or something along those lines, for anyone who enters. Immediately the tournament got a good number of participants. But if they dont give that free thing again, they wont get the same numbers. So it will essentially die if they dont give free things.
Infact when they announced the AMD mobo thing my skype chat was filled with how people are gonna get it and sell it for money. By any standards, this is disgusting. Rich or poor, it could almost be considered theft.
So, HOW is malaysian e-sports going to survive?
There are dedicated people such as pRoGeney, a bunch of nDL guys (not all) and a few of the top players (who have other issues to deal with such as their attitude towards the community), who will always be there. But will it grow accordingly?
Starcraft 2 is now 29.99 USD. According to statistics, its price is now in the comfort mark for Malaysian people to spend on luxury items. (about 98 RM approximately). But because the price is affordable isn't enough because there is no exposure. No investment and worst of all, little TRUE community support.
I am sure no matter what I do I can get a good showing of players to an event, mostly because of free things. But where does it go from there? To get external people to enter the community you need firstly to have approachable stars (The stars of malaysian SC2 ARE NOT approachable..... They can b**** me as much as they like about saying this). You need to have a community that will support sc2 no matter what (this doesnt mean spending money). And you need to show that no matter what other people think, you are here (where ever you may be) to support the event because you enjoy it, and nothing but that.
Being too lazy to support something you have passion about, means you are not passionate about it. Spending a saturday or sunday with people who are your friend should have no excuse like "10 min drive too far lah". To be honest, if 10 min drive is too far, then you are a bad friend to begin with.
So now Malaysian e-sports is in this bad habit of mooching which is damaging its growth. How do we fix it?
I am not sure really..... I don't know if it can be fixed. I had made big plans for a Malaysian sc2 league to move forward. But because of the support (or lack there of) within the community, it is no longer a viable investment. Albiet the LAN's are no problem. Its alot of fun and the cost is minimal, but anything bigger is a waste of investment these days.
I have been planning to do barcraft but have been postponing it until I finished my research. I have contacts are 4 bars in Pavillion, 3 of them have shown interest. But should I do an event with the risk of everyone saying that pavillion is too far to attend? Or that there is no free gift for attending?
I know of about 10 people from the sc2 community who would 100% attend no matter what. Some would even bring a bunch of friends (ninjabear you stud!!). But it shouldnt be up to them to support the thing you love. IT should be up to EVERYONE to do it...
So, how far are you willing to go to support malaysian e-sports?
first off, i will be VERY frank on this despite the impending elitist/*******/troll remarks. hell, i've been perceived a such anyways for all i can remember, so what does it matters anyways? to you from me, take it or leave it, entirely up to you. again as a reminder, this is of my personal views/opinions/perspective, if you (or anyone else) dont like it or have a problem with it, f*** off But now I am going to rant on the mentality of Malaysian e-Sports (not just sc2).
One of the big reasons I live in Malaysia is because of the people. I love Malaysian people, the culture, the lifestyle and the fact they feed you no matter if there is a reason to celebrate or not. But its these things that I love that bring a reason why e-Sports in Malaysia on a professional level will most probably fail unless change occurs.
When we first suggested we would do events in Malaysia, there was a common word in every sentence by the people I spoke to to get a jist of what I should do here. That word was FREE.
Its my belief that players should always have free entry to events, and I can make that happen everytime no matter what. But that seems to not be enough. If you base an events success on the amount of free things you give to the community the minute you stop giving away free things, the event dies. Its a bad habit to get into. And is a reason no one will be successful.
Take for instance FXO 1.. 10-20 of the people who joined the tournament only showed up for lucky draw.. That includes some close friends of mine.
How is e-sports going to survive if people only show up for free stuff?
Then there is spotgamers sc tournament. Struggling to get anyone to show up, they announced free AMD mobo or something along those lines, for anyone who enters. Immediately the tournament got a good number of participants. But if they dont give that free thing again, they wont get the same numbers. So it will essentially die if they dont give free things.
Infact when they announced the AMD mobo thing my skype chat was filled with how people are gonna get it and sell it for money. By any standards, this is disgusting. Rich or poor, it could almost be considered theft.
So, HOW is malaysian e-sports going to survive?
There are dedicated people such as pRoGeney, a bunch of nDL guys (not all) and a few of the top players (who have other issues to deal with such as their attitude towards the community), who will always be there. But will it grow accordingly?
Starcraft 2 is now 29.99 USD. According to statistics, its price is now in the comfort mark for Malaysian people to spend on luxury items. (about 98 RM approximately). But because the price is affordable isn't enough because there is no exposure. No investment and worst of all, little TRUE community support.
I am sure no matter what I do I can get a good showing of players to an event, mostly because of free things. But where does it go from there? To get external people to enter the community you need firstly to have approachable stars (The stars of malaysian SC2 ARE NOT approachable..... They can b**** me as much as they like about saying this). You need to have a community that will support sc2 no matter what (this doesnt mean spending money). And you need to show that no matter what other people think, you are here (where ever you may be) to support the event because you enjoy it, and nothing but that.
Being too lazy to support something you have passion about, means you are not passionate about it. Spending a saturday or sunday with people who are your friend should have no excuse like "10 min drive too far lah". To be honest, if 10 min drive is too far, then you are a bad friend to begin with.
So now Malaysian e-sports is in this bad habit of mooching which is damaging its growth. How do we fix it?
I am not sure really..... I don't know if it can be fixed. I had made big plans for a Malaysian sc2 league to move forward. But because of the support (or lack there of) within the community, it is no longer a viable investment. Albiet the LAN's are no problem. Its alot of fun and the cost is minimal, but anything bigger is a waste of investment these days.
I have been planning to do barcraft but have been postponing it until I finished my research. I have contacts are 4 bars in Pavillion, 3 of them have shown interest. But should I do an event with the risk of everyone saying that pavillion is too far to attend? Or that there is no free gift for attending?
I know of about 10 people from the sc2 community who would 100% attend no matter what. Some would even bring a bunch of friends (ninjabear you stud!!). But it shouldnt be up to them to support the thing you love. IT should be up to EVERYONE to do it...
So, how far are you willing to go to support malaysian e-sports?
now to begin.
Your views on potential problems vs what/where i stand:
- money
to people who even know me for a bit (only need to take maybe 5 minutes to click on my siggy) would know quite easily i have absolutely no problems on forking out, regardless of my financial status or how i spend like a total retard
- transportation and/or distances issues (potential excuse)
i LOVE driving my car. even if its not the best car on the road (year 1999 proton iswara, who am i kiddin?) i drove this baby down to penang, ipoh, even singapore from KL, and i never complaint about it. i spend a fortune on it to the point it has no selling value, from complete overhauls to part replacements to ICE. for the records anyways, driving to cyberjaya MMU was never an issue. which i will address very soon.
- disgusting mentality of freebies
for spotgamers i did voiced out faintly on my first post on the thread:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=46956107
i was a participant for the cyberfusion (read: passion) held previously. and no doubt i got their amd processor, and god was i frustrated to get rid of it. to be VERY FRANK. even if they did not gave out free procs, i would've gone eitherway to push myself to my limits, and because i was still very passionate towards gaming, and most importantly, because a group of my friends went along with me. (although, if you relate to that, almost half of said friends went because of the freebies, while i cant be certain of this, as i am speaking from my viewpoint, it may be very much so the case as they arent hardcore gamers)
- friends
now that we are on spotgamers, in the end, i never went. (which i also mentioned in the said thread)
no one amongst my friends want to go, i have already stopped being a hardcore (or passionate, if you would prefer) gamer, even more so since i have gotten my new job, which requires 24/7 standby, and many graveyard shift activities, in a nutshell, i pretty much had no personal life for the first few months i got this job. The pay is well, and i need it due to my increasing debts, but thats more of a personal matter than addressing this thread at hand.
if i have no friends thats willing to follow me, and i am totally not passionate enough to do this alone, what else would there be to drive me to go to spotgamers event? (or any other events, like the ones you organized, organizing in the present or future for example)
- The Malaysian SC2 community
tada! the main spotlight of what i am wanting to voice.
i am absolutely disgusted, and i absolutely loath the Malaysian SC2 community. its too filled with hypocrites, shitty malaysian mentality (includes but not limited to the ones you have ranted), wannabe elitists, wannabe trolls - or in a nutshell, f***ing posers.
If you were active around when sc2 was launched, i was quite active with almost everything in this forum, to joining tournaments (vista lasik) to joining other malaysians (who are willing to goto US servers at least), to posting replays, guides and what not over the racial threads. what happened down the road?
it is just not worth it anymore.
if i am not in a clique (you yourself are DAMN CLEAR on the "not approachable" part), id just be show down easily by whatever i do. regardless the effort or if i am right or wrong, or if it is sensible or not.
That, backing up with my new job, my losing interests towards gaming in general, is what results in my standpoint towards the Malaysian SC2 community as a whole.
Now finally. if i have absolutely NO REASON to show up at events even if i could (money and transportation/distance). Why would i be?
unless something drastic is changing, my answer to your question of "So, how far are you willing to go to support malaysian e-sports?" will forever remain the same: "Nope."
And if you decide to forsaken the community just like i did, i do not blame you one bit, In fact you yourself also understood clearly. i mean, my education is low considering today's standards, however with so many years working in the big corporate world, i understand very well that the world revolves around money, You need money to get things done and what ever money you are investing, ultimately you would want returns as any sane businessman would be.
i don't know why malaysian's are still in the freebie/cheapskate mentality. to be honest i sometimes dont even understand that part (admittedly, that can be quite hypocritical even from me) because thats just totally naive. my only relief is that i do see more people understanding the saying "good things arent cheap, cheap things arent good", because being an active participant in other forums such as the ICE/audiophile forums, or even hobby forums, i've seen FAR TOO MANY faggots paying for peanuts and expecting high returns. But that's bullshit, they can blame govt, blame whoever, blame god, but fact is you need money for things, and the less you pay, the less you get.
now, im going too far into this rant, and it is coming quite close to RWI material already (which frankly, i find it either boring, or too tedious/tldr to bother) so ill cut this short:
Barcraft, i can and dont mind attending so long i dont get sudden night jobs (my dept usually opposes weekend jobs so normally, it should be no issue) as i can just treat it as a casual drinking session, and i could use some alchohol to cool off some work stress per say. however if its not happening, i hold nothing against you and again, it is fully understandable.
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