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West Wing
post Jul 16 2012, 02:15 PM

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D minister says one thing and do another thing. Now, EBN is affected and like today news on paper, sooner or later, oil palm will be affected also and you can mark my words and not that I can forecast and see the future....I M not CKL@KongMing.

2Day paper said that green oil palm harvested will be fine and later, he would announce that all harvested oil palm fruits must be sold to selected collection centers only and controlled by his people only (His men) and you all oil palm guys must be careful. Hope that He is readin here and not proceed with his following action.........

Why care if the laborers harvest green oil palm cos it's the owner of the plantation going to lose as the factory will deduct or even refuse to accept the unripe fruits and the owners will certainly control the harvesting of fruits and the laborers will only harvest ripe fruits when they know that they will not get paid by harvesting unripe fruits ( all are paid for the weight @ the seller's loading bay) but HE, the Minister must interference for his own self interest as he can now put his men to collect the fruits and resell them to the factories at a bigger profit......and reported that HE is doing all for the interest of the Oil Palm Industry...............like our EBN industry.

YOU can mark my words for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

If our friends from Thailand and neighboring countries want to be there, I don't see any reason why cannot lah!!!!!!!!!!

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post Jul 16 2012, 03:04 PM

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Big or small show? whatever but It has to be a good show of the event just to remind
If anyone found colluding with thieving politician and desperate government to
strangle the lifelines of ordinary folks for his own greed, he must have lost his soul
and dignity and should be forever condemned.

Personally, I hold plain old street muggers in higher regard than those greedy low
lifes at least they have the guts to steal from you face-to-face.

Oh yeah the quote "It looks like Me, it sounds like Me but it an't Me" will be his
GOOD life motto!

Last but not least, let the market demand to dictate prices, not some hanky panky to go on under the table!
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post Jul 16 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Jul 16 2012, 01:46 PM)
The heads that you elected are looking after their own pockets first. They likely 'anticipated' or engineered the situation but has now gone out of control.

The reason they are now making noise is the falling price of EBN which is affecting them big time as they are the big timers who stocked up as the prices dropped, hoping to monopolize big time. 

Some caused the price drop to be able to stock up in a big way and wait for prices to rise again after awhile. Never anticipated the 'awhile' became over a year.

Now if prices rise again, these big timers may stand to recover loses or even profit big time.

For us small timers, where do we go, left also wrong, right also wrong where to turn to? 

No monopoly.

No 30ppm nitrite, use WHO standards.

No restrictions on export except on govt. levies,

and we will be on the way to recovery.

With No restrictions, no monopolies, the big timers will have to sell at market prices, us small timers sell our stock to the world at current prices and eventually the big timers will also have to sell at the lower prices...............until the current stock is depleted and then the farmers will increase prices according to supply and demand not some big timer stocking and controlling the market.

Just my 2 sen worth on world EBN economy.
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post Jul 16 2012, 05:17 PM

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There will be a gathering to appeal at Gerakan office, Prai, tomorrow.

Meet at Bukit Tengah nr Juru, well known Kway Teow Thng, just off the main road, East of and parallel to the old highway, junction with road leading to BM from Auto City, opposite Auto City at 9.30am before proceeding to Gerakan office nearby.

Everyone is welcome.

This is organized by David Lim and supporters.

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post Jul 16 2012, 06:25 PM

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Pls support this gathering.


Added on July 16, 2012, 6:50 pmChin woo stadium forum registration :

SMS to the following no. 012-737 7389 or 017-461 4178

Gives ur name, contact no, state, last 4 digits of ic.

Those in the north pls go to tomo gathering first, we are in very critical stage now....cannot wait anymore.

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katak oh katak,,kenapa kamu bising sangat,,,,,
macam mana wa tak bising,,salang tak ada harga,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjgEO-QHLKI&feature=related

memang makanan aku,,,,,,




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post Jul 16 2012, 08:41 PM

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Remember, my friends....all must stand Tall!!!!!
Also, remember that we are still Gentlemen even if we are dealing with thugs!!
All we are asking are what righfully our's and we are not beggers......what's crime or bad things have we done to deserve such dirty action from the Gmen. We are a bunch of decent and honest men trying hard to make a clean living and we didn't even get a tiny loan or little aid from the Gmen in this industry.

We don't mind that our nests to be exported by international law and regulations but not Guidelines purposely created to rip us of our hard work.

If like this, you build BHs and wait for years while I monopolized the export when you have nests to sell.....we saw how the farmers suffer in the hand of the middle men and I forget that technically, we are also farmers and now, we share the same fate.

We act now cos NOW is already late.....any later, we won't have enough men standing as many are already gone.


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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 16 2012, 09:41 PM)
Remember, my friends....all must stand Tall!!!!!
Also, remember that we are still Gentlemen even if we are dealing with thugs!!
All we are asking are what righfully our's and we are not beggers......what's crime or bad things have we done to deserve such dirty action from the Gmen. We are a bunch of decent and honest men trying hard to make a clean living and we didn't even get a tiny loan or little aid from the Gmen in this industry.

We don't mind that our nests to be exported by international law and regulations but not Guidelines purposely created to rip us of our hard work.

If like this, you build BHs and wait for years while  I monopolized the export when you have nests to sell.....we saw how the farmers suffer in the hand of the middle men and I forget that technically, we are also farmers and now, we share the same fate.

We act now cos NOW is already late.....any later, we won't have enough men standing as many are already gone.
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I cant make it, nonetheless, you have my supports.....

EDN is like many agriculture business,

why we dont see goben controlling those makcik planting chilli or the pakcik catching catfish from river and must sell at respected shop to buy fish and vege? and that particular shop only has the authority to resell it... at higher price....

typical
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主题:燕窩被禁出口香港。
作者:敦符国荣博士 1:13pm 16/07/2012

燕窩被禁出口香港。

禁止燕窝出口香港的指令不是我敦符国荣博士发出的。我只“教育”人们了解燕窝是什么,燕子是什么。它门的燕窝的营养价值和燕窝的危险。禁不禁止出进口不是情报员的工做。那是各国政府的工做啦。

燕子是野生飞禽,没有一个国家应该让她的人民建屋子给它们来繁殖。这会造成它们几万年来的生态失去平衡,带灾难给人们。这一点又有几个“发钱狂”的人会关心。

这也像那些发钱狂的猎鲨鱼的人,他门志在猎鲨鱼砍鱼翅卖钱,他门怎会关心海洋没有了鲨鱼或鲨鱼的数量太少会造成海洋生态奇形掉,引来灾害给人们 ?。

鲨鱼和燕子都是野生物种,它门只能天生天养自然平衡其数量,不能由人类插手它们的生存和死亡。因为人类无法计算到它门的正确数目。不像养鸡, 甲寮放进小鸡5千只,抓鸡卖的时侯扣掉死的1百只,应该有4千9百只。假如少掉两只,不是印尼工人偷杀吃掉便是那穷鬼敦符国荣博士偷了。

谁能计算出今天在太平洋杀了5百只鲨鱼,印度洋和大西洋又被杀了几只?一年杀了7千3百万只成年鲨鱼,一年又会有几小鲨出世,又须要几久才会成年 ?这些问题没有一个猎鲨鱼的王八蛋会关心。他们关心的是那里能猎到鲨鱼。

今天一些海屿已经没有了鲨鱼。鲨鱼没有了,鱼也开始少了。整个海洋生态也开始变。最后海洋将变成一湖“臭水”。

燕子几亿年来是天生天养的侯鸟,南北两极冬天便来赤道繁殖下一代。南北两极春天又带了后代回故乡。

古时这种候鸟要繁殖后代只能在赤道的山洞建窝。因此,其数目会自然的“自我”控制在一个数目内。后来人类为了能轻易的收割燕窝,便建屋子让它们来繁殖下一代。

假如只是几个人建燕屋,这种燕子的数目也不会“暴增”到那么可怕。但是,人是天下最“贪心”的动物。你捞到风生水起,令伯也建一间,你也建一间,他也建一间。

大家都说建了燕屋就“摇脚”等收钱。比老婆去做鸡更好捞。于是,有能力的谁不想建燕屋捞他一笔?

好捞的行业必会引来另一批饿狼野鬼。这些建燕屋,卖音响和什么燕子令棍专家的更加恐怖。他们到处告诉人家,谁谁谁建了燕屋便发到不明不白。

天下有几个像敦符国荣博士不想发财的 ?没有他人,只是他一个。所以他活该割树胶,驾老爷车住4面通风的羊楼。

大家想想看。在自然环境下,南北两极的燕子每一个春天只增加5百万只回故乡,突然增加到10倍的5千万只会是一个怎么样的处境 ?

南北两极的候鸟除了燕子,还有上万种的其他候鸟。这些候鸟大多数是回乡繁殖下一代的。因为几亿年来南北两极能提供足够的食物让它们繁殖下一代。它们怎会知道人的贪心制造出十倍数的燕子回乡和它们争吃。

自然界的生物面对食物不足除了死亡便是开使传染病症。这是自然界的生物控制法。所以,这一两年南北两极的候鸟由欧洲死到中国,好望角死到澳大利亚。没在南北两极或半路死掉的回到柔佛州才掉下来死给你看。

将来这些带病的候鸟会带来什么病症,你去问上帝吧。阿门。

下面新闻第3段,黃祥華說[我國燕窩迄今已經一年不能出口,到今天為止政府還不能有效的解決問題,這問題已關係到全國燕窩業者20萬人的存亡]。

这20万人的燕屋倒到一间不存他们也不会亡,还是会存在。因为他门是有能力的人。没有能力的人是“绝对“不会建燕屋的。就像峇冬加里的草包校长吧,他的燕屋倒存一支柱子,他还有砖厂。他会因燕屋倒台饿死只能在1千零1夜的故崽里才能找到。

即使真的这20万人因燕窝的关系不能生存也是他门自己找来衰的,别让这些候鸟带了死亡的禽流感害死200百万人就好。

现在欧美开始立法对付猎鲨鱼者,包括充公猎鲨鱼船。日本的几艘远洋猎鲨鱼船已经被欧洲国家充公掉, 很多世界级的酒店也跟着停止卖鱼翅餐。那些让人民建燕屋的国家被对付是时间的问题。

那些嗜钱如命的没有了燕屋收燕窝怎么办?

别怕,可以叫老婆去做鸡也一样会元贵滚滚进,财源广进。

爱钱并没有错。请用良知和道德去赚。

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2012年7月16日

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Middle finger to this professor. Pls invite him to come on 21.7, I reserved one bag water shits to him. Pls bring along his wife to train as chicken...oops...I mean swiftlet.
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QUOTE(ta5851 @ Jul 17 2012, 05:02 PM)
主题:燕窩被禁出口香港。
作者:敦符国荣博士 1:13pm 16/07/2012

燕窩被禁出口香港。

禁止燕窝出口香港的指令不是我敦符国荣博士发出的。我只“教育”人们了解燕窝是什么,燕子是什么。它门的燕窝的营养价值和燕窝的危险。禁不禁止出进口不是情报员的工做。那是各国政府的工做啦。

燕子是野生飞禽,没有一个国家应该让她的人民建屋子给它们来繁殖。这会造成它们几万年来的生态失去平衡,带灾难给人们。这一点又有几个“发钱狂”的人会关心。

这也像那些发钱狂的猎鲨鱼的人,他门志在猎鲨鱼砍鱼翅卖钱,他门怎会关心海洋没有了鲨鱼或鲨鱼的数量太少会造成海洋生态奇形掉,引来灾害给人们 ?。

鲨鱼和燕子都是野生物种,它门只能天生天养自然平衡其数量,不能由人类插手它们的生存和死亡。因为人类无法计算到它门的正确数目。不像养鸡, 甲寮放进小鸡5千只,抓鸡卖的时侯扣掉死的1百只,应该有4千9百只。假如少掉两只,不是印尼工人偷杀吃掉便是那穷鬼敦符国荣博士偷了。

谁能计算出今天在太平洋杀了5百只鲨鱼,印度洋和大西洋又被杀了几只?一年杀了7千3百万只成年鲨鱼,一年又会有几小鲨出世,又须要几久才会成年 ?这些问题没有一个猎鲨鱼的王八蛋会关心。他们关心的是那里能猎到鲨鱼。

今天一些海屿已经没有了鲨鱼。鲨鱼没有了,鱼也开始少了。整个海洋生态也开始变。最后海洋将变成一湖“臭水”。

燕子几亿年来是天生天养的侯鸟,南北两极冬天便来赤道繁殖下一代。南北两极春天又带了后代回故乡。

古时这种候鸟要繁殖后代只能在赤道的山洞建窝。因此,其数目会自然的“自我”控制在一个数目内。后来人类为了能轻易的收割燕窝,便建屋子让它们来繁殖下一代。

假如只是几个人建燕屋,这种燕子的数目也不会“暴增”到那么可怕。但是,人是天下最“贪心”的动物。你捞到风生水起,令伯也建一间,你也建一间,他也建一间。

大家都说建了燕屋就“摇脚”等收钱。比老婆去做鸡更好捞。于是,有能力的谁不想建燕屋捞他一笔?

好捞的行业必会引来另一批饿狼野鬼。这些建燕屋,卖音响和什么燕子令棍专家的更加恐怖。他们到处告诉人家,谁谁谁建了燕屋便发到不明不白。

天下有几个像敦符国荣博士不想发财的 ?没有他人,只是他一个。所以他活该割树胶,驾老爷车住4面通风的羊楼。

大家想想看。在自然环境下,南北两极的燕子每一个春天只增加5百万只回故乡,突然增加到10倍的5千万只会是一个怎么样的处境 ?

南北两极的候鸟除了燕子,还有上万种的其他候鸟。这些候鸟大多数是回乡繁殖下一代的。因为几亿年来南北两极能提供足够的食物让它们繁殖下一代。它们怎会知道人的贪心制造出十倍数的燕子回乡和它们争吃。

自然界的生物面对食物不足除了死亡便是开使传染病症。这是自然界的生物控制法。所以,这一两年南北两极的候鸟由欧洲死到中国,好望角死到澳大利亚。没在南北两极或半路死掉的回到柔佛州才掉下来死给你看。

将来这些带病的候鸟会带来什么病症,你去问上帝吧。阿门。

下面新闻第3段,黃祥華說[我國燕窩迄今已經一年不能出口,到今天為止政府還不能有效的解決問題,這問題已關係到全國燕窩業者20萬人的存亡]。

这20万人的燕屋倒到一间不存他们也不会亡,还是会存在。因为他门是有能力的人。没有能力的人是“绝对“不会建燕屋的。就像峇冬加里的草包校长吧,他的燕屋倒存一支柱子,他还有砖厂。他会因燕屋倒台饿死只能在1千零1夜的故崽里才能找到。

即使真的这20万人因燕窝的关系不能生存也是他门自己找来衰的,别让这些候鸟带了死亡的禽流感害死200百万人就好。

现在欧美开始立法对付猎鲨鱼者,包括充公猎鲨鱼船。日本的几艘远洋猎鲨鱼船已经被欧洲国家充公掉, 很多世界级的酒店也跟着停止卖鱼翅餐。那些让人民建燕屋的国家被对付是时间的问题。

那些嗜钱如命的没有了燕屋收燕窝怎么办?

别怕,可以叫老婆去做鸡也一样会元贵滚滚进,财源广进。

爱钱并没有错。请用良知和道德去赚。

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2012年7月16日

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The lengthy essay in mandarin is not only highly negative to the swiftlet farming industry but its also erroneous in some matters and extremely crude which reflected on the callous character of the author.

I'd mentioned before that few non-farmers will be sympathetic to the plights of our misfortunes as we see the winter of our sufferings stretching out for a year now without respite with prices going lower and lower to unprecedented levels.

While some farmers are to be blame for their haughty attitudes; yet its also common to see the manifestation of what Chinese termed as the "Red-eye" diseases or what in English is sometimes refer to as the "Green-eye monster"... meaning that jealousy which consumed that particular writer into pouring out his venom into such a tactless and crude diatribe against swiftlet entrepreneurs amidst the depths of their sufferings! There is news that some farmers in town areas had given up hope and even resorted to renovating back their farms into shop-houses!

We can only save our industry and ourselves by utilizing the good offices of our associations that stand united so as to negotiate with the relevant authorities into dismantling whatever unreasonable obstacles that are in the way to ensure a healthy climate for ebn producers and processors and traders. We have to save ourselves for we ourselves are the Birdmen! So lets hope the rally or forum or whatever its called (Whatever the colors of the cats never matter as long as they can catch rats!) at Chin Woo stadium this 21-7-2012 will serve its purpose into prodding the authorities to rapidly solve our problems so as to save further deterioration of this important component of the overall Malaysian economic industry.

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This morning news gives us some facts tht actually happening now :

1) our fed association mentioned tht their main concern is to speed up bird'nest export to china. The govt should SLOW down on RFID implementation. Installing RFID in farms will take a long time to do. THis is the stand of our federal association.

2) the farmer association urge all their members and farmers not to go as the 21.7 does not protect farmers as all farmers reject RFID as china never insist on RFID,as long as bn is below 30ppm then we export.

3) the action committee also rejected RFID totally and they want free trade for this industry. We should not allow only few big processors to do the processing n we don't even have tht many workers to do it. We should allow small processors in kampong to do the processing n as long as they meet the requirement,govt shd allow it to export.
They will go to the 21.7, but if fed asso insisted on RFID slowly,they will walk out.

Hope this help those who can't read Chinese.

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Thanks ChanK, that helps a lot.

I can't make it but my heart and thoughts are with all of you on 21/7
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Our main concern, if we are going to the gathering to show support,
Is tht mean we also support the fed association tht we all will install RFID which we oppose from start? I think we will be not given any chances to voice out for sure. What if after the gathering they said since u all already attend the gathering n gives support to them what!!..



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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jul 18 2012, 01:43 PM)
This morning news gives us some facts tht actually happening now :

1) our fed association mentioned tht their main concern is to speed up bird'nest export to china. The govt should SLOW down on RFID implementation. Installing RFID in farms will take a long time to do. THis is the stand of our federal association.

2) the farmer association urge all their members and farmers not to go as the 21.7 does not protect farmers as all farmers reject RFID as china never insist on RFID,as long as bn is below 30ppm then we export.

3) the action committee also rejected RFID totally and they want free trade for this industry. We should not allow only few big processors to do the processing n we don't even have tht many workers to do it. We should allow small processors in kampong to do the processing n as long as they meet the requirement,govt shd allow it to export.
They will go to the 21.7, but if fed asso insisted on RFID slowly,they will walk out.

Hope this help those who can't read Chinese.
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We all go but do bring along Banners to show that we are against RFID or any form to manipulate us. We are no small children and we know what we are doing. Take action against those who created Red nests, fake nest or cheater!!!! Put dishonest exporters in Jail for we care and our only concerns are that no one should be allow to monopolise the industry for self interest nor we want any interference from the authorities in our operation. Let market force decide our price and buyers determine the qualities they want and we the producers can decide if we want to sell or not but never our own Gmen to create unjust condition in favour of a few men and sadly, some are in our Fed Association,too.

We are there not because we are Pro Fed but we have enough of the nonsense and any protest for the betterment of the industry, we will help and support. We can be there to support them but we can also add our goodies and do spread our desires and wishes with the biggest banners and loudest voice. SO, any objection or advice from any Association like a present BH Association calling us not to attend the protest; I will tell them to fly kite and where were they all these while we suffer and cried wetting the pillows. Tell all to attend and let the whole world know that we are really very angry and mad over what our Gmen are doing the whole year...prevent us from exporting our EBN.

NO RFID unless this is what require by the buyers but if only China wanted it, then there shouldn't be a law that state that I must follow cos I need not follow if I am not selling to that specified country. Now, News has been reported that Biggest buyer, CHINA never insist the nonsense RFID and only our country wanted them to accept it in the agreement....surely, the Chinese isn't signing some Stupid requirement which they also think that it's useless but our Minister has other thinking......the more the requirements mean more chances to make more monies from us..............all are our own Gmen doings and why.... no wonder our minister said that we have signed and China hasn't sign yet and if I am the Chinese Representative, I would sign such silly doc unless I also has a share in the profit.

Really, if another country (just quote Taiwan) buy our nests and only requests pure and not specified any PPM nonsense then we should be allow to export EBN at any PPM level provided always our nests are harvested and original from the swiftlets without any additives or chemical added.

Above are my opinion only and "without prejudice" to anyone .


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One of my friend approached one of the leader n questioned him china never insisted it n even show them the federal china rules on bn import which is only 30ppm. But the leader showed him a letter from Guangzhou stating it required RFID.

I think they will used tht to coax us n the press to believe tht it is required by the cn...so,pls be prepare for it.

We will go to fight for NO RFID.
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Like I said, No RFID and if China want it then it shall be be for those who want to export to China and no place else..... If the Fed. Asso. want just to postpone the RFID for their conveniences to clear present cheap EBN lots that they are holding, but we will say "NO to RFID, not now or later" loud and clear with our banners if anyone here bringing any.

The minister argue that RFID is for our sake and I said that Rubbish!!!!
Nothing can prevent us from swapping the nests if we are dishonest...so there isn't a way to trace the source of any nest if we want to cheat.. also, what if the RFID is stolen and who going to pay for it.

It will just create more opportunities for enforcers to make money thru bribe and for those given the rights to slaughter us.....we making penny and they make the most....

I don't what about other countries exporting requirements to China (previously not allow) and I heard that they have higher PPM requirement...so, why the double standard or is it our own people doing the magic again....

Again, my opinion on the matter and without prejudice.
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I think the letter is from one of the Guangzhou association n not from china govt. So do we need to follow Guangzhou association now ? Or follow china govt? cry.gif

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