i know u will surely ask=if any country jus export cleaned into CN means it wil be control by certant company like we MAL here wit his cronies & comes up wit many stupit ideal to make profits in e middle.so we ended up wit higher cost.So how r we going to complete wit e Godzila&Dino frm indonesia wit e cheapest labour,skilled workers ,Billions US$ worth of capital,monopoly over 80% of nest output& generations of expreances??
U tell me la??Bird nest now hav a bad name in CN as their goverment has posted many bad things in their news&media also play a role so comsumer r not confident fr this product now.Comsumer want garantee&secure confident if any want to buy as a gift or fr own eat.So if its process in CN wit an open show room fr guest to hav a look how e company process its nest & run goverment test then can buy it on the sopt will bring good confident to customers fr sure.In CN if u want to put up advertisment make sure u get ready capital worth Billions cause e area is so large &populations so high so advertise is not cheap there.When any country success to hav e right to export raw nest into CN will benefit all farmers cause every is free to market it own nest by bringing it to CN t look fr customers them self legaly so dont hav some one to monopolise tis trade.Now u know wat i m talking bout?but our MAL gov dont want cause in middle they want to songlap(donno u know mean wat or ?)hehe.

indo big players aready lobby many top brand in CN to market their products when the import is OK but we donno nothing still waiting long long here.About e nitrite issue its small matter as its easy to make it 0%ppm to even its not cleaned yet like bottle nest r made frm cave feather nest tat ned chemical bleaching & wit very high nitrite but after bottling u can run a test its 0%chemical&0% nitrite...jus as simple like tat but if u wanna know more u hav to p.m me cause not letting so many call them self smarte ass to know more.

CN aready has many big factory getting ready to process nest cause importing raw material into CN will safe many in tax & tats is an important issue then after cleaning if they export back out to either HK&macau aready can get e export tax cut .This will create CN company can complete wit overseas company importing cleaned to market in CN,,,,,

http://www.pingange.com/about/about-_64.html
http://www.iyanyu.org/news/html/?430.html
and many more,,,,
Second=same like MAL last time(10years back) nest was rm$6000/kg when its few people farming but after here farm there farm prices will be lower cause if u dont want to sell others will sell jus like indo now even white like paper nest from borneo super grad A only rm$1500 cause their country hav toooooooooooo much to handle aready ...jus like nest here & there...it will happen yr place too 1 day...

karb or no karb??sawadee karb,,,wats yr locations??too dame boring here thinking of a holiday ,,,,,

This post has been edited by kohloh: Jun 26 2012, 06:03 PM

Looks like it all boils down the issue of monopoly instead of what (red/white) sells in China. If govt is good, so are taxes. Tax money will be used by good govt to clear off all the toxic nest in the market. If monopolies or red tape happen in our land we should do whatever we can to remove them even vote them out in the coming GE. If monopolies happen in China, you can not control them, can you? what can you do to help? First thing to cross my mind will be not selling low your raw nests to overseas for home processed nest to stay competitive or not to sell raw at all if that is possible. If smuggling is the way to go then what's about to hit us in future? No shit lah.

Hehe....kohloh talk talk still leak something out too... At least all of us can sleep a little bit well with his news...but though the road to half recovery is still long way to go...at least still got chances of recovery...

Cn not stupid one...this industry can support a lot of their own citizens....not like here, all just want a share....u die u die lah...

If cn allow raw to send to cn...thousands of jobs are created there..

The whole episode is due to some ppls voiced out red nests publicly...n worst still in Chinese newspapers...betul betul gila...Chinese easily find the news fr google...till now if u want to read about red nests info....the first to come out will be fr local Chinese newspaper here....crazy..what the Chinese will think of??? Malaysian pun tak Makan baru hangar ke cn....die or not...u can google n see who is the one that voiced the most...

Only thing we can do, wait le...

kanasai lu...let u sleep better tonite...old people always say""when rain comes,sure got katak sing"" so let e katak be "katak4ever"lo,,theres nothing we can do ma.e more u leak e smarter katak wil be ,,,
so beter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnNT-DSsb1w now hit in CN &
we recomed katak to talk to ,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6579HuC2I

Tiongkok lang dont like google one,,they like http://www.baidu.com/s?cl=3&wd=%D1%E0%CE%D1
& u can see whos been advertising few years there in e top spot,,,,,

+1 song fr u to sleep beter tonite,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjw4FYAm8eo&feature=related

This post has been edited by kohloh: Jun 26 2012, 09:21 PM

Farm here farm there, die here die there all because others do it, so you do. SHTF
because someone caused it, not you...smugglin to infinity and beyond because
govt makes you. Get a life people! It's GREED that drives you off-road, not your own
self lol. Have fun and good leaks nonetheless for all katak kept in the dark!

Malaysia boleh mah....see,Malaysian open bn processing park in fatt chau,selling bn in Taobao, see how much they sell....

http://eyiji.taobao.com/

...process in c n, chop, bungus each pc...

Received these from an anonymous email
Some of you may already know about this
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Oh,,still raining ah,,,,,

Yes so its final....so u guys will end up tis way wit e tag on each of u,,,,,,


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No way taggin my bird! give them some privacy, will you?

It's not what we poor farmers are asking for in all due respect. For the sake of food
safety, China will be tagging either local or overseas processors with their state-of-
the-art tagging devices but not to the point of disturbing our birds lah unless you
want China to know our birds are big, small or medium....?

On Article No.5, Finding 2) we shall harvest and transport in according to the
provision of 1GP(inclusive of GAHP) AND shall further recommend that the sale and
purchase of the raw unclean edible bird nest shall be completed at where and
when determined by the registered bird nest premise owner and registered agent/
bird nest processor where they consider safe and practical.

Ummm..What is this finding all about? Do they need others to tag and rob them in
the process?

Summary to all bullshits that crippled the whole bn market in mal.

Cn only ask less than 30 to accept bn. That's it.

But our part add in additional things - RFID ( one unit cost rm6888 onwards, one chip rm1, one box rm200,appointment for officers to follow to harvest n all cost bear by farmers such as transport expenses depending on location, ot if applicable such as weekend., n the list goes on....)

Oli allow cleaned nests export...


And this is use by buyers to push our prices low....u dt want to know the price they offer now....

In sum, deep shit.

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Added on June 30, 2012, 12:27 pmCongratulation to our

Selangor birds nest association president, MAH, on his own new opening RFID system bird nests processing plant today.

Wish him wealth, prosperity, plenty of it with his pioneer plant tht will grow to become one of the only few leading processors in Malaysia.

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Added on June 30, 2012, 3:14 pm




The One n only RFID Followed Processing Plant in Selangor, and own by the President of Selangor Bird's NEst Association n claimed to be the Biggest Bird's NEst Association in Malaysia with the most members.



I believed with this state of the art Processing plant, it is no doubt that this plant will be the 9th or 10th Special Aproved Plant in Malaysia.









This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 30 2012, 03:16 PM

so what now?? Should I go and purchase a RFID and tag my birds?

thanks you.

regards

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Added on July 1, 2012, 6:43 pmI have been stacking 4-5polystyrene boxes fulled with BN in my house

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Jul 1 2012, 06:43 PM

It means u are on ur own.

Join the up coming protests to protect ur own future.

Spread the news out, many still blur..

Help out to get signatures if there is a memorandum tht will be submitted to the PM....such as family members of farmers,as long as they are affected by it...ur wife, ur parents, ur childrens.

I think the organiser will needs lots of signatures to show to the PM how many actually affected by it. I heard they are drafting it n will be ready in a week or so. What

We can do is, start spreading out this info n make sure all farmers are aware of it n willing to join in the protest and helped to get signatures fr all affected.

THIS IS OUR ONLY HOPE.....

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Added on July 2, 2012, 9:34 am　
Comments about RFID usage in bird's nest by Guangzhou officers, they too said tht this method is inefficient, not suitable, too expensive. Besides, info tht is most needed in identification for the bn is not where the nests are harvested and from which farms but they want they only the processing factory name, address, manufacturing standard,processing standard,any preservative added.


穗食协：电子标签的标识重点是燕窝加工厂商信息
http://news.gd.sina.com.cn 2012年05月27...1 新浪广东

　近日，马来西亚宣布出口燕窝推行电子标签制度，推出可追踪燕窝来源的“无线射频识别系统(RFID)”，以确保出口燕窝品质。该追踪系统将在燕窝采集、运输、进口、加工、包装、配送及销售各个环节做出记录，届时只需输入相关编号，便可在网络追查相关信息。
　　对此，广州食品行业协会副会长兼燕窝专业委员会主任、中国大马忆记燕窝产业联盟执行主席徐兵认为，马来西亚的RFID电子标签仅用在每一盒干燕窝上面，打开之后每盏都价值几百元的干燕窝仍然是散装的，还是无法保障中国消费者和燕窝商家，向马来西亚上游供应商溯源问责及索赔维权，RFID电子标签的应用成本很高，不可能广泛应用在中国的终端燕窝市场。此外，最关键的是电子标签所包含信息的重点，不是燕屋采摘的追踪信息，而是燕窝清洗加工环节的生产商信息，如加工厂名、厂址、食品加工资质、干燕窝加工标准、添加剂使用情况等，必须符合我国《进出口预包装食品标签检验监督管理规定》的要求。
　　徐兵说，“大马忆记”品牌燕窝在中国市场已经成功运行3年多的干燕窝单盏定型包装和二维码电子标签(又称二维码“燕窝身份证”)，才是切实保障每一克干燕窝质量可溯源问责和恢复燕窝消费信心的最可行方法。马来西亚的RFID电子标签可在出口毛燕窝原料定量定型包装上发挥作用。直接出口毛燕窝原料，在中国的QS食品工厂清洗加工干燕窝产品，才是有效解决马来西亚燕窝出口问题的最实际方案。
　　一、什么是干燕窝产品的电子标签？
　　市场上流通的干燕窝产品，是经过清洗加工后的食品，没有单盏或定量定型包装和食品标签的散装干燕窝则是“三无”产品。因此，干燕窝产品必须采用定型包装，并贴上食品标签才能进入市场销售。而常规食品标签的尺寸太大，无法贴到干燕窝产品的定型包装上，所以，采用二维码作为电子标签。简单说，干燕窝产品的电子标签就是二维码，因为二维码是全球唯一的编码，即一个二维码对应一个产品，所以，干燕窝产品的电子标签又被称为二维码“燕窝身份证”。
　　二、电子标签里包括了干燕窝产品的哪些信息？
　　干燕窝产品电子标签中标识的内容，必须符合《进出口预包装食品标签检验监督管理规定》或《预包装食品标签通则》的规定。应包括中国入境动植物检验检疫批次合格证明文件编号，干燕窝清洗加工厂商的食品加工资质、企业标准、厂名、厂址，干燕窝净含量、添加剂使用情况等干燕窝产品质量保障信息，是燕窝消费者、燕窝零售商、监管燕窝市场的政府有关部门，向干燕窝清洗加工厂商追踪溯源，追究法律责任的法定信息。
　　三、干燕窝产品电子标签的作用？
　　一是满足消费者对干燕窝产品质量信息的知情权，以便对干燕窝产品的真实性价比做出准确判断；二是有利于政府有关部门向燕窝加工厂商追究法律责任，切实维护燕窝消费者、燕窝零售商的合法权益和市场秩序；三是便于干燕窝产品质量的辩真防伪，从识别方法上解决化学药剂加工的有毒干燕窝、假冒伪劣干燕窝、掺杂欺秤干燕窝的识别难题。
　　四、为什么采用二维码而不是RFID作为干燕窝电子标签？
　　二维码和RFID都是物联网的核心应用技术，但是二维码更适合作为干燕窝产品的电子标签在终端市场应用。一是标签成本低，二维码双层纸质标签的印刷成本远远低过RFID芯片标签的制作成本，采用二维码电子标签无需提高干燕窝产品的销售价格；二是免费识别，广州食品行业协会燕窝专业委员会指定的“真知码”技术提供方为消费者、零售商提供识别软件的免费下载和使用服务，无需配备价格不菲的RFID电子标签的专用识别设备；三是简单方便，只需通过手机摄像头对准二维码一拍，便可快速、准确地读取干燕窝产品加工厂商的厂名、厂址、资质、标准等质量保障信息。此外，“真知码”技术提供方已经开发了几乎涵盖所有品牌和型号的手机应用，确保95%以上的中国移动、中国联通、中国电信的手机用户都可以免费下载安装使用，这是与仅一二款手机才能识别的RFID电子标签的最大区别。据称，国内大马忆记品牌早在2009年就采用二维码“燕窝身份证”，确保干燕窝产品的质量责任“零争议”，并切实做到了每一克燕窝均来源可查、去向可追、责任可究。手机编辑“真知码”发送到12114，免费下载安装“真知码”识别软件，对着干燕窝产品定型包装上的二维码“拍照”，即可快速、准确的了解每一克干燕窝产品的质量保障信息。



广州食品行业协会燕窝专业委员会地址：广州市林和西路1号/广州国际贸易中心3012室 邮编：510620 电话：020-38299456 传真：020-38299457

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Added on July 2, 2012, 10:10 amFrom Guangzhou news, they have rejected the use of RFID and are using QR code.

Question is why we still want to push for RFID??????

Question is why we don't use QR code tht u can even use open source code n u no need to pay a dime for it.

Question is why when the Chinese govt already said tht they only want the processing plant name n address included in,why we push to track from farms and ask all farmers to pay for thousands for the equipment.....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 2 2012, 10:10 AM

Why? You know and I know and what to do plus we are always No.1 in the eye of the world or appear to be.............I remember that when I submitted to build a shoplot in my small town, the YTP insisted on the number of absurd requirement of parking lots. When I told him that no other town has such requirement yet, he said that our town shall be the No.1!!!!!!! As such, we shall all die because someone up there trying to skin us and make them appear to be the best like our TT in KL which cost so much for what reason best known to the guy himself.....

Please make all this information known to ALL the local news including online news.

It is obvious that some Malaysians want to monopolize the EBN business, from the production in the BH to the export of cleaned and raw EBN.

Now is a good time to get your YB involved.

If Barisan and MCA get back into Kedah state, the Horse will be even stronger to strangle us.

Get the Guangzhou News into our newspapers and save our industry.

indo raw prices keep droping,,,,
china continue to raid spot selling nest last week,,,
now even cleaned super grad with lab test report also cant sell at rm$3200/1kg in CN,,,
(super A grad raw nest rm$1800+15% losses+$1000 labour comes to rm3200/1kg is our cost)
Cn has limited its nation to travel to Macau to 2times a year frm 4times to save,,,,
dont think it will sell even wit legal export to CN as less & less comsumer there & cost is bout rmb$20,000/1kg,,,,



the bunch below will held another meting in KL at 21st tis month,,,,,,,



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