WW,

What goes up must come down and vice-versa. Timing is crucial.

For our case, just want to sell raw nests and not get conned.

Easier said than done.

Dear Coolandy,


Everything go up but birdnests go down????????

Long ago, brown nests are consider A nests but as time goes, buyers insist on whiter and bigger nests and we are not laying the nests and are we going to use bleaching on nests or are we going to use diaper for the chicks or worst!!! are we going to throw away the chicks and harvest the nests to ensure that the nests are very white and less nitrite.

The Chinese should understand that nests are for the chicks thus shit are normal with nests and I think that they understand except with our side which do seem to understand anything with exception of what told by those advisors whose interest are to create opportunities to make money.

In the end, always the farmers will lose out and the big guys win and we get lesser and the middlemen you know who will share "50% to you and 50% to me" without even dirtying their hands.

What we want to the authorities to tell the Chinese that nitrate or nitrite are normal with EBN and to have none of these, treatment must be done which are bad for health. Take the origin as EBN have been safe for hundreds of years and there is no reason that our nests create health problem and any problem is cause by dishonest suppliers and partly blame because there is good demand for the treated nests.

I can't see no reason why is so difficult to convince the Chinese authorities of these N & N as those came to Malaysia were highly educated experts from China cos China are also like our nearest neighbor ie "KaiSu" type. Immediate excess to China Market should be the final at the meeting then and why must wait for so many months......I don't know but I swear that deep in my heart that only Malaysia prevented our nests from being exported so as to justified the control over the nests in the future and to gain approval of the BH owners that their actions are for the benefit of the industry in Malaysia....I am not comfortable at all but I don't know you all..

Concerning the Nitrite, once the Red nest cannot be exported and that's no chemical be used, everything will be back to normal; normal ppm of N. What we need to is ensure the Chinese that we will monitor the export of nests and that's only Malaysian nests be exported from our country. Make sure that the exporters be personally responsible for the nests exported and any problem with the export, the authorities will take his hide.

The complication must be either our team are very stupid/ know very little or that they did so on purpose to ensure that their personal future projects will be successful.

As always, my comments maybe sensitive so without prejudice to all.

This morning our Datuk liow was quoted in the newspaper that he will very soon be able to fix the problem in exporting of bird's nests. So, with the demolition of all bh's in town, where to find bird's nests? maybe our datuk liow will encourage our neighbour's, mainly indonesia and thailand to sell it to us and we will process it n sell to china.

as for those owners of bh's in town, ini u punya pasal, siapa suruh u dengar kita cakap!!. saya hanya suggest u semua invest in shops and convert it to farms but now we change it and not allow u to do it liao, u chui ah!. so, how? many who bought lands are now able to recover their losses but how many are able to do that? numbered. i owned lands but u think i want to build it and wait for 3 years to see the result and wait for 10 years to only see money start coming in? no way. better invest the money in overseas then wait liked soh h in malaysia.

As i said, our neighbour's are laughing out loud now, hahahahaha.......

Can trust this fella or not? Last time he said FRU did not fire into Tung Shin. Anyway, I hope he is doing the right thing this time.

This morning our Datuk liaow said he will try to find a way to support us to clear all the stock of bird's nests woh...our gang leaders ( supposed ) said we have tons of bird's nests not able to sell...

wah, so good leh, not bad mah...maybe someone suggest to him to include bird's nests soup in all election organising dinners, lunches, brunches!! then we can take an easy breath loh..

then only worry abt our rice bowl after election.

Our datuk liaow also said that he will adsist us to open up more markets for bird's nests woh...why the fxxk to open more markets when u are in demolition mode? just ask us to fxxk off and get out of your way since no one really cares about us, they only cares about the richy rich group.

Open up more market, go learn vietnamese loh. no need to go far mah, just go vietnam, they have over 2 millions of Super rich there that will eat bird's nests everyday and 8 millions of middle income group that can afford to eat bird's nests once a month.

2,000,000 super rich, one month consume 1000g, that is equivalent to 2,000,000,000g. so, good business mah, should ask your gang to monopolize the market there!...more untung!.

sai hei.

This is not a political forum, otherwise, I will.............

From what I heard, the problem arises from when our Dato liaow left an official to settle the matter in China after he had a round of talk with the Chinese officials. He left a person who know nothing about EBN and left us with the present problem.......if he has left a more credible or knowledgeable person and not the lady, thing now won't had happened..... any disagreement will be helpful.

Am I right?????? or Ada Udang sebalik batu.

Honestly speaking, many people never like my guts and even my own Association key officials think that I talk too much ( although, they never dare tell me so) but really, I never speak for my personal gain.

Lastly, to warn you all is that alot of local authorities never like the idea of
BH @ town and will try to move the BH out. They now try to use Chinese NGOs to dialog to hear what they have to say against the BH @ town and using Chinese to fight Chinese and then blame it all with the Chinese NGOs.

My forwarding of the problem is to ask you to tell your Chinese NGOs not to fall for such trap......if ever the NGOs are called to the meeting with Majlis on the matter concerning BH@town and hope that the Chinese NGOs will support the Chinese BH owners as mostly are Chinese trying to earn a clean and honest living as there are really not many Buz that we can do as all good opportunities never reach our hands. All these are planed by a BN Chinese component party.

All requested is to leave us be and allow us to earn our own honest living and not sound like that we are really illegal which like we are doing drugs or nigh clubs. We did have the support and why now, suddenly we have become illegal.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 15 2012, 04:28 PM

WW, who is the lady ? I thought Dato Beh went to China then.

Yes, as in Penang, NGO are very powerful and has been seen that the PHT (Penang Heritage Trust) held the Govt. by the balls. Again a lady made the most noise.

Check back on the Nitrites PPM history and who told the Chinese about our ability on 0% nitrites and still don't know, then ask from Dato Beh or any of the Fed. Key officials and they may be able to brief you better.

Secondly, to report here is that there were this dialog here between MPK with 5 swiftlet representatives, and 5 Chinese NGO reps .......and when one of the NGO came to see me on the meeting in the morning, I advice him that the NGOs must support our industry as most of those involved are Chinese and the authority were trying to use the NGOs to justified any destruction of the BHs @town. He told me that the NGO here support us and will listen to my explanation and assist us all the way.

Ths morning, the kind NGO rep came to see me and brief me as I wasn't allowed to attend the dialog. And I was right that the govt. isn't going to demolise BH@ town now and need to wait until the state govt. passes the guildlines which will only happen after the election. Already confirmed that more than 20 newly Bhs will be demolised.

Why after election and not now as they don't want to offend the BH owners before election but then after election, is anyone guess as the power is with the state govt and not the Fed. govt.

So, all shall be safe before election and GOD only know what will be behold after election......I can predict that it won't be a good one....otherwise, they just approve what the Fed. passed and why the wait and see.

So, my advice is don't build BH @ town anymore as your chances of surviving this coming earthquake is not bright....my prediction. Meanwhile,
all swiftlet Associations/fellow swiftlet BH owners need to hold more fellowship with NGOs of the town and also, support activities of NGO as to show that we are caring and concern for the communities of the town.

Sifu WW,

Are they going to target every single BH in town area or just those that are new? Some BHs at small towns have been there like 10-20 years I wonder what excuse they come up with to demolish it since it has been there for so long.

Unc WW,
Judging from this 1 report
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4398&sec=nation
It is obvious that when this Liow chap was there and left someone to continue working with the Chinese, this 0PPM thing already exist.
If the Assoc chaps are now pointing their fingers, it's just tai chi away from whatever ugly that's brewing which they are trying to avoid blame.

Spoken to those who attended meeting are that the new 20+ new BHs are to go and old ones will need to see what the how the state Govt is going to adopt the new 1GP....remember that the state Govt has the final say.

The local Association reps told me that they are appealing to the demolition of the new already built BHs but I fear not much they can do as the local govt did received many complaints about these new BHs build near residential area, thus giving excuses for them to have them remove. I have spoken many times that never give the authorities the excuse to have you remove but many never listen and now, these newly built BHs are mostly near residential areas may have to go; not now but very soon after the election provided they can get assurance from the YBs esp the MB that they will not be demolished and promise not to disturb their neighbours. No point to try to save after election as all have become "Bubur". Poor thing are that majorities that are peaceful and don't disturb the peace will also need to go as well.

For old ones, I fear that unless the Association can come to an understanding with the YBs that these old BHs will remain not for a few years which I believe that what we will get.....

The Govt. did not understand that the core of the swiftlets are from towns and by destroying all @ town don't mean that the birds will fly to out of town BHs cos they may just build their nest in gap near the BHs or fly off to Indonesia or Thailand ....and these birds can really fly.

Any good news from other states??????

Hello Senior and Mentor of Swiftlet Farming,

I am looking for a joint venture on building a swiftlet house, whereby I have a piece of agriculture land at Pahang.

Can some enlighten me on this matter?

Your advises are most welcome.

Thank you

No news is good news.

Good news, we will know the result after election, have few months of good sleep. We are not in the position to sell our votes to political parties to support us, town keepers. We will only vote to elect Clean govt with no corruption and parties that don't just Pembangkang all the way and forgot that they are there to help us.

Bad news, bird's nests price is dead and still dead. Demand is dead and still dead. The demand had nothing to do with whether our bird's nest has zero limits of nitrite but it is how we going to build up the image of bird's nests as a healthy supplements and this will takes years to redevelop.

the govt think we can move but they never think after we move then who going to support our family? can you create 400,000 jobs for us? we know nothing except cut nests and clean bird shits. that means, we are just hard laborer, or Chap Kong if u wish to call us. Maybe the govt can set up a 1Malaysia Buang Sampah Koperasi For Ex-Bird's Nests Keeper and we can tender for contracts to buang sampah for the govt...Maybe Khalid, and Ronnie Tieu are kinds enough to grant us the contract.

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Added on February 20, 2012, 9:11 amBefore we move, please move all the burgers stalls, and street peddlers from the street as it is threatening and polluting the longkang and surrounding area and we are not able to sleep as it is noisy till wee hours.

But then when we think of their family and why they have to do that, they are just trying to make a living to support their family...no way the govt can help all of them, we know that.

Same goes keepers in town that are been lured by our govt that encourage us to do it in town and now tape us illegal. Have u ever think it this way? You got ur own family to support? where u get the salary? From your tuhan or from the rakyat?

Turn off the sounds. Just turn it off. that we need to sacrifice.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 20 2012, 09:11 AM

Although we are surely not happy with any directive to totally shut down the sound but this is the only way out for us in order that BHs shall no longer be a nuisance to the public. So very often that we will read in Newspaper that someone will approach a YB or complaint to the paper that BH is causing sound pollution and recently, someone even bowed down in front of the minister to ask him to get rid of BHs @ town due to disturbance from the tweeters sound. Possibility maybe that this guy was trying to gather publicity or other reasons but there is truth in what he said and as a BHs owner @ town, I totally agreed with him but to the extend that some BH owners are really stupid or mad to turn their amps to so loud even during the night that they disturb the peace which neighbours are angry and furious.

So, the only way out is to enforce the turning off all sound and to do that, all amps and tweeters must be removed from the BH and anyone failing to do so will have their BHs demolish. We may have to do that to save all BHs due to some ignorant BH owners but there seem to be no way out, trust me as I too have much to lose as all my BHs @ town.

"Kurang Ajar" is what I shall refer those who don't follow instruction to have their sound down or opening an entrance hole just facing the residence area causing so many complaints about the industry.

Apology if hurt but then you did hurt all and going to destroy all in the industry if the Govt. close all BHs @ town.

Totally agree with WW. We have only ourself to Blame ! I foresee this coming so sold off my shop lot BHs.

Thanks for agreeing with me as our local Association didn't. At least, you make your money when you sold off your town BH but the buyer now worry what will become his BH in the near future.

I believe that as I did post that Swiftlet Ranching is an Art and Science, first Art then Science and we all graduate through the Art and now, we are in the science of swiftlet Ranching Buz.

Thing trouble me are that we must ensure that whatever we do,

1. We must not improve or increase nest production by unhealthy way like many things that we have now are not healthy all for instant genetically culture crops which may cause cancer and so many to mentioned just for the sake of making more money and destroying the very purpose of the industry which I believe is to provide the best health food for human consumption.

2. By destroying the eggs and harvesting the nests for faster returns which I believe is unjust to the swiftlets whose nest we harvest.

3. By feeding the artificially hatching the eggs and breeding the swiftlets like chicken which may affect the properties and composite of the nests which may affect the health of the consumers.

Just look around us and we see everything are cancer causing or agent for diseases. The food we eat and even the clothing that we wear are possible the cause of cancer that we are going to get and my believe that not what we want our EBN to become for at least, we can have maybe the only safe and healthy food, the Birdnests.

So, anyone having bright idea on how to improve nest quality or other newest scientific ways to improve may wish to enlighten us here and share together.

Bird's nests prices betul betul dead....

All are predicting it will remain the same for few more years to come.

rainy days for anothe three years?

dengar harga akan jatuh lain bulan, lagi turun tiga ratus satu kilo.

while indonesians, thai's, vietnamese are only worrying about prices, we have to worry about prices n survival. those who can afford already build farms in agri last year...just before the prices collapsed...now they worry about prices and how long it takes to start making money...

some ask, why no birds?? already two months...wait lah...wait somemore loh.

some ask, die lah, this kind of prices...bila boleh start profitable...wait lah....wait somemore loh.

some ask, how to sell at this price?....wait lah.....wait somemore loh.....if u can wait....wait lah....

hahahaha...

Just look around us and we see everything are cancer causing or agent for diseases. The food we eat and even the clothing that we wear are possible the cause of cancer that we are going to get and my believe that not what we want our EBN to become for at least, we can have maybe the only safe and healthy food, the Birdnests.




all fall back to our immune system, the body ability to flight off disease.
when DNA repair weak hence sickness occur.

our organs never "malfunction".  They never do something other than what they are supposed to do.  But they do STOP working.  The answer is not to remove the organ, but to work out what is needed to get the organ to start working again.

wholesome food is important n right substance required.

The sky is falling down on those involve with the swiftlet farming industry... instead of giving additional pressures to ourselves... might not it be better to endure for the moment until things improve? Try to get involve in other things than swiftlet farming such as interests or hobbies and keep in mind the motto of the great Antarctic explorer- Ernest Shackleton: "Fortitudine Vincimus" which meant "by endurance we conquer."

Perhaps the counsels of the Greek Stoic Philosopher might helps:

Don't demand or expect that events happen as you would wish them do. Accept events as they actually happen. That way, peace is possible.

Regardless of what is going on around you, make the best of what is in your power, and take the rest as it occurs.

He is a wise man who does not grieve for the things which he has not, but rejoices for those which he has.

Learn to distinguish what you can and can’t control. Within our control are our own opinions, aspirations, desires and the things that repel us. They are directly subject to our influence.

It is not external events themselves that cause us distress, but they way in which we think about them, our interpretation of their significance. It is our attitudes and reactions that give us trouble. We cannot choose our external circumstances, but we can always choose how we respond to them.

Freedom and happiness are won by disregarding things that lie beyond our control.