QUOTE(lingseng91 @ Aug 1 2017, 06:32 PM)
Oh.. Im based in kch. V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry
V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry
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Aug 2 2017, 08:29 AM
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Aug 2 2017, 10:27 AM
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Aug 8 2017, 10:05 AM
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what is AB??
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Aug 10 2017, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 29 2017, 10:10 AM) After prices going up over a year ago. Very less people willing to breed. It is about how fast you harvest now. Cant blame them really. If full breed, can only harvest 3-4 times a year. And cream and yellow color nest, buyer start lowball and quotation price is based on more white color nests. It bring me back to the good old time when EBN was sold at Rm6K and that's was a good time. Best price that I sold was Rm6500 and no one was complaining about brown nests and Red nests were the highest price in China fetching over RMB30K until they found out that the Good Red ones all were created with bird shits. Farmers becoming very greedy and what their initial intention of breeding swiftlets for the nests all gone with the increment of price and later the demand of white nests. Many have forget their promises to me before I taught them the art of BHs farming that I expect them to never destroy bird eggs or to kill a chick. When Money Devil enter their soul, all they can see are money, money and more money...... as one farmer told me then that every harvest mean a new car for him and one more harvest mean another new car........sad and true. Worst iwas when the price crashing down as farmers income becoming less and they harvest more times to gain back the lost. I asked them where shall be our future if all farmers harvest 6 times a year as there will no longer be new fledged bird to fill the population. Sad reply were that others shall breed while the selfish farmers shall share. Initial all well cos there were still alot of breeders around whose Fledged birds did share among all but gradually, greediness enter to all mind when China Men pay good price for white nests and buyers so demand. Just 2 days ago, one farmer came to see and ask why his BHs now have less then 50% of his formal quantity. 1st. question that I asked him was how many times did he harvest a year and quickly he answered "6 Times". Now, I told him that like China, the ageing population has grown but the new Generation becoming lesser and why? There are too few new birds to share as his BH was a very successful BH over 6K birds and over 10 years, now the increment maybe 50 new birds but the dead and the infertile ones maybe 10 times that. Must stop now... |
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Aug 10 2017, 08:03 PM
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Dear West Wing,
Such is the cycle of the world. With the recovery in prices, people start to "talk birds" in coffee shops and elsewhere. Soon, old neglected or abandoned bird houses will be renovated to give then a new life. As for you, your contributions to the swiftlet industry will always be appreciated. Salute you Sir! |
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Aug 11 2017, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 10 2017, 05:59 PM) It bring me back to the good old time when EBN was sold at Rm6K and that's was a good time. Best price that I sold was Rm6500 and no one was complaining about brown nests and Red nests were the highest price in China fetching over RMB30K until they found out that the Good Red ones all were created with bird shits. I completed my BH when the price drop to its lowest, so I didnt miss the good days so to speak. From what I hear, all those BH with thousands of nests all recently have a very significant drop of nests. Almost all I heard around 50% or more. And always when asked, its due to over harvesting during the heydays and probably due to lack of maintenance when the price dropped. Farmers becoming very greedy and what their initial intention of breeding swiftlets for the nests all gone with the increment of price and later the demand of white nests. Many have forget their promises to me before I taught them the art of BHs farming that I expect them to never destroy bird eggs or to kill a chick. When Money Devil enter their soul, all they can see are money, money and more money...... as one farmer told me then that every harvest mean a new car for him and one more harvest mean another new car........sad and true. Worst iwas when the price crashing down as farmers income becoming less and they harvest more times to gain back the lost. I asked them where shall be our future if all farmers harvest 6 times a year as there will no longer be new fledged bird to fill the population. Sad reply were that others shall breed while the selfish farmers shall share. Initial all well cos there were still alot of breeders around whose Fledged birds did share among all but gradually, greediness enter to all mind when China Men pay good price for white nests and buyers so demand. Just 2 days ago, one farmer came to see and ask why his BHs now have less then 50% of his formal quantity. 1st. question that I asked him was how many times did he harvest a year and quickly he answered "6 Times". Now, I told him that like China, the ageing population has grown but the new Generation becoming lesser and why? There are too few new birds to share as his BH was a very successful BH over 6K birds and over 10 years, now the increment maybe 50 new birds but the dead and the infertile ones maybe 10 times that. Must stop now... Fully agree that killing chick and destroying eggs is a bad practice that should be stopped! |
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Aug 11 2017, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(coolandy @ Aug 10 2017, 08:03 PM) Dear West Wing, not just talk bird... lots of break in and stealing also ! Such is the cycle of the world. With the recovery in prices, people start to "talk birds" in coffee shops and elsewhere. Soon, old neglected or abandoned bird houses will be renovated to give then a new life. As for you, your contributions to the swiftlet industry will always be appreciated. Salute you Sir! |
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Aug 15 2017, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Aug 11 2017, 08:26 AM) I completed my BH when the price drop to its lowest, so I didnt miss the good days so to speak. From what I hear, all those BH with thousands of nests all recently have a very significant drop of nests. Almost all I heard around 50% or more. And always when asked, its due to over harvesting during the heydays and probably due to lack of maintenance when the price dropped. This is true from late 2015 until early 2017. Within this period there is 2 chain event (haze and el nino) that reduce all the coastal area bird population. From kuching until KK, all coastal area suffer heavy drop. Throw egg group at least 60%. Breeder group about 40%. But then area like kanowit and kapit are safe since not coastal area. Sad to say, there is not much future for bird house in coastal area. The future is deep jungle. Fully agree that killing chick and destroying eggs is a bad practice that should be stopped! I think nobody kill the chick. Only throw the egg. I told them if they want throw, just take the middle cup. Leave the corners to breed. That way, is alot more sustainable compared to full throw. http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ds-nest-supply/ Updated: 1 bh got broken in last night belong to my uncle's friend. Alot stealing lately. This post has been edited by mois: Aug 15 2017, 11:44 AM |
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Aug 15 2017, 12:11 PM
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ya, lots of breakins... my friend at asajaya 6 BH got broken in last week. bintulu there 3 kena.. sad case
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Aug 15 2017, 12:58 PM
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Aug 28 2017, 09:38 AM
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Sep 7 2017, 04:22 PM
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Hi, anyone interested selling 4-5kg unprocessed bird nest? Just helping my office mate to buy. Prefer selangor and kl area. Whatsapp me 0182060349.
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Sep 10 2017, 03:24 PM
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helloww. can someone help, i just started my 1st BH operational. the problems is on the temperature.
on 09 - 15 clock, the temperature can reach 30°-32°C, after that temperature can drop down to 29°-26C° on 16 - 08 morning clock. its hard to keep the temperature consistently 26°-29°C on afternoon or full day. some article that i read, tells that's not problem when temperature rise up (30°-32°C) on afternoon cause birds go out on 06-17 clock and back to BH when the temperature is down at night. but i don't believe it easily, i need someone here that have experienced to tell it is right or wrong. - should i keep temperature 26°-29C° at full day ? - or that's not a problem the temperatures are in night & morning (26°-29°C) and in afternoon (30°-32°C) ? - or, this is instability temperature is happens too on yours, and can your BH production much nests on that condition (or it's normal) ? best regards. This post has been edited by Abdigumelar: Sep 10 2017, 03:25 PM |
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Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(Abdigumelar @ Sep 10 2017, 03:24 PM) helloww. can someone help, i just started my 1st BH operational. the problems is on the temperature. Looks like your BH design does not account for thermal insulation. It is important not to have great fluctuations in daily temperature. Try controlling it with humidity, keeping the Rh at about 80%+ can help.on 09 - 15 clock, the temperature can reach 30°-32°C, after that temperature can drop down to 29°-26C° on 16 - 08 morning clock. its hard to keep the temperature consistently 26°-29°C on afternoon or full day. some article that i read, tells that's not problem when temperature rise up (30°-32°C) on afternoon cause birds go out on 06-17 clock and back to BH when the temperature is down at night. but i don't believe it easily, i need someone here that have experienced to tell it is right or wrong. - should i keep temperature 26°-29C° at full day ? - or that's not a problem the temperatures are in night & morning (26°-29°C) and in afternoon (30°-32°C) ? - or, this is instability temperature is happens too on yours, and can your BH production much nests on that condition (or it's normal) ? best regards. |
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Sep 11 2017, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(Abdigumelar @ Sep 10 2017, 03:24 PM) helloww. can someone help, i just started my 1st BH operational. the problems is on the temperature. The general consensus is that the internal temp should not have great fluctuations, as @tuckfook said. on 09 - 15 clock, the temperature can reach 30°-32°C, after that temperature can drop down to 29°-26C° on 16 - 08 morning clock. its hard to keep the temperature consistently 26°-29°C on afternoon or full day. some article that i read, tells that's not problem when temperature rise up (30°-32°C) on afternoon cause birds go out on 06-17 clock and back to BH when the temperature is down at night. but i don't believe it easily, i need someone here that have experienced to tell it is right or wrong. - should i keep temperature 26°-29C° at full day ? - or that's not a problem the temperatures are in night & morning (26°-29°C) and in afternoon (30°-32°C) ? - or, this is instability temperature is happens too on yours, and can your BH production much nests on that condition (or it's normal) ? best regards. yours range is from 26 to 32 degrees, if you can bring the range the better. How do you plan to keep it down to 26-29 whole day ? thats about 3 degs range |
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Sep 11 2017, 09:31 AM
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Ab 4300-4500 Round corner 3900-4100 Triangle 3600-3800. Good time ahead but increase security plz. This post has been edited by mois: Sep 11 2017, 09:32 AM |
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Sep 11 2017, 12:56 PM
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Sep 11 2017, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Sep 11 2017, 08:44 AM) The general consensus is that the internal temp should not have great fluctuations, as @tuckfook said. my father build this BH with many failure that there's no way going back.yours range is from 26 to 32 degrees, if you can bring the range the better. How do you plan to keep it down to 26-29 whole day ? thats about 3 degs range - using 1 layer sand brick without and now, it cannot be plaster & white painting outer wall. my plan is. first layering wall using styrofoam inner side wall (this way used in many farms in kalimantan). second, layering styrofoam again using this. this is will absorb much water for long time. third, dripped down water using drilled PVC pipe on top. i think it will be raise humidity and drop down temperature. but just to say, second & third way are experiment that never have used in other BH that i know. This post has been edited by Abdigumelar: Sep 11 2017, 08:51 PM |
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Sep 11 2017, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Abdigumelar @ Sep 10 2017, 03:24 PM) helloww. can someone help, i just started my 1st BH operational. the problems is on the temperature. Cavity wall design will resolve your issue. Had a good read - https://theconstructor.org/structural-engg/...vantages/14000/ on 09 - 15 clock, the temperature can reach 30°-32°C, after that temperature can drop down to 29°-26C° on 16 - 08 morning clock. its hard to keep the temperature consistently 26°-29°C on afternoon or full day. some article that i read, tells that's not problem when temperature rise up (30°-32°C) on afternoon cause birds go out on 06-17 clock and back to BH when the temperature is down at night. but i don't believe it easily, i need someone here that have experienced to tell it is right or wrong. - should i keep temperature 26°-29C° at full day ? - or that's not a problem the temperatures are in night & morning (26°-29°C) and in afternoon (30°-32°C) ? - or, this is instability temperature is happens too on yours, and can your BH production much nests on that condition (or it's normal) ? best regards. |
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Sep 11 2017, 10:02 PM
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Use more humidifiers and shade the external walls with black netting etc. The roof can be insulated with styrofoam. Using styrofoam on internal walls may make the inside too hot as there is no way the heat and water vapour can escape.
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