well I never heard of MChips. but what I meant was at least a standard to adhere to. On how many percent of tolerable nitrate levels etc etc. But governing by licence holders. As far as I know nitrate is commonly found in shit. So its natural that there is a certain % found in the EBN. right?

I have customer from thailand... Now i'm worry how to send my Birdnest to thailand....anyone can help? Or any courier service company to introduce to me? urgent....thank you.

VDept requirement that the source of the nests must be identified before that nests can be exported and so each batch of nests to be exported must have the Chip code to determine of the source to ensure that any problem can be trace back to the source. Good intention but under greedy hand, all will be as corrupted like all Laws and Regulations in Malaysia where money could buy its faith.

All the Chinese want is that our VDept issue certification that our nests are safe but our authorities are not doing so unless they can be sure that our nests are safe for consumption. When there is money, everybody want a share and we shall see other depts coming in for the KILL and we shall see that to export or to have a BH, one will soon need to have so many premits or licenses to operate and I truly hope that I am wrong and foresee wrongly.

Wish that the authorities view our comments here and not joining in the KILL......for the raayat!!!!!

OK thks, now I can guess what this Mchip is.....
If not mistaken it's a pre-existing requirement even before this fiasco broke out.
This cert is from the DVS (not under MOH) that certifies the source of the exported product ie FROM MALAYSIA.

Post fiasco.....there is an additional cert from the MOH that certifies the yet to be agreed PPM... after you have passed the requirement with sample sent to MOH certified labs.

MOH just came in recently after the RED nests affair but an exporter wanted only the code so that he can export the nests to China trouble free. If I am not wrong, DVS certification is only required for anywhere in the world and never require MOH involvement except for this particular case when the Health Department came into the scene.

Whether it is good or bad is up to the future to see but I rather have one department handling the matter and make the exporters responsible for the quality of nests exported...

It's history that we all knew how the RED nests or Bleaching is done but no one even bother then. Just set the reasonable standard and the people involved ( The Exporters) to ensure that no dirty tricks when exporting and what happen later is the fault of the importers. Do you think that the Chinese merchants in China are honest and clean?? NO! many are playing very dirty and will cheat if given a chance to do so. This, I have experienced many times over the years of dealing with Chinese of China and was cheated a few times.

haha I have the same sentiment. How can we be sure these are not the doing of themselves while putting the blame on us? In the process lowering the price of EBN ?

Well since we got so much rainfall recently my BH humidity is up and water is flying in from everywhere. been bz with patch up work, hopefully can reduce the water coming in, till better weather and do a proper fix. can see some mold growing on the nesting planks . . .

You are quite right. The additional MOH certification is a requirement for export to China.
At the PutraJaya dialog MOH officials stressed where DVS (Ministry of Agriculture and Agro Based Industry) and MOH scope lies. For direct consumption stuff ie food (dont want to get into any debate here...just regurgitating what I can recall) MOH is the "competent authority".

As it stand 'responsibility for quality' are with the exporters...they are the ones having to get all these certs.
Unless I have misunderstood.

Wats the tax like to send EBN to Singapore ? Anyone know?

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Added on January 13, 2012, 10:13 amor the process, so to speak

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TV 3/4 what's your jungle like?

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Added on January 13, 2012, 7:17 pmSorry "Jingle"

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Thks. Got all inspirational while chewing my finger nails off.
Jingle ..initial idea is shd be along the sounds of a upbeat typical taoist funeral chant to fit the current atmosphere surrounding the EBN biz.
Trade mark Kermit registered

We all heard of the Chinese were here to discuss about our export of EBN to China but do anyone know that they mostly discuss were the export of processed nests to China which we don't have as we only have mostly unprocessed nests.

What is needed to be able to export unprocessed nests and MOH failed to understand this and go ahead and get approval for the processed nests and they don't even allowed representatives from the Fed. Swiftlet Association to be present to give their opinion.

All these are from what I heard as the situation got so bad that our Fed Secretary even wanted to tender in his resignation over the matter and all because the Malaysia authorities didn't understand that Malaysia all these while exported mostly unprocessed nests to China and having the Nests to follow the standard for processed nests; all of us shall die cos there is not enough nest processing plants in Malaysia to process the nests.

Wanting to promote downstream EBN industries is very good but not now, 1. we must have enough factories build before we allow only processed nests to export.
2. We must allow trained Indo EBN workers to come freely to work in our plants and train Malaysian workers but this isn't easy as we experience with Indo Maid, plus overhead charges will be killing you.
3. Our best nest cleaning plant will definitely has less than a hundred and how to cope up with our unprocessed nests.

Above are what I heard cos I am not in the Fed committees and anyone here that can give a clearer picture is appreciated.

My ver is CLEARLY more cynical

IMHO From the beginning 'processed EBN' was the focus of all their effort.
The dialog certainly was!
Just go back and relook at the Traceability website...
http://www.dlm.gov.my/birdnest/product.asp
LIke I have shared (my spider sense) after the PutrJaya dialog...this trecability thing will be forced down our throats
Anyone or all of the ministry involved (MOA, MOH, maybe even 1 more if you want to split hair...clue.. packaged product!!!) MAY or CAN easily make the Traceability as a prerequisite to obtain their certification.
When that happens all raw EBN will have to go to a processing plant !!!.
We have already seen that quite a few processing plants were already granted licenses when the requirements were first announced many moons ago. So there must be even more licensed since then..now that's being proactive
Tells alot doesnt it?
Now we hear the assoc is blaming the govt agencies?
Please...give the agencies more credit.. they do not for 1 minute sound or look like fools to me..they all seem to know their job.
Just 'outsiders' getting in their way of doing a good job.

TeeVee3/4 interpretation...
You see arrr..the Chinese govt ahhh will not accept the NaNO2 content in RAW EBN...so....
we have to beg them to accept the level in processed EBN...we so clever..we took our guests out..many hours of taking them makan here and there and some more lah!!! So much hard work lah!!
They say maybe they can look into accepting the processed EBN content lah!!! also no gurantee la!
(The last statement allow them to gostan mah!!!)

It seems that this government is really screwing up this industry. Where have all the good and capable officers gone to?

Monopoly and making a quick buck seems to be their priority.

cos their future is uncertain, maybe things will be better after election?

For every1 who is in the industry, we basically understand whats going on and how simple the solution is.
Sifu WW posts basically sums up all the important points.
If the government wants to help sincerely, the issue would have been solved by now.

well said

Yesterday harvested 3 more kg, looking at all these nests at the store room

Hahaha same bro. How do u store ur nest?

I just have fan blow them dry then put in those not-air tight plastic box.
Last time I posted saying that I notice those tiny house ants are all over the nests, then only I find out from sifus that ants eat BN too.

But where got such a big refrigerator to keep all the nest, have to put ant poison to kill them pesky little buggers

Hey Friend!!!!

Don't use ant poison to kill the ants or else, we may end up with another storm before this storm end.....Ant poison.

Just rinse the nests again and fan dry them; very dry and store the nests air tight container if you don't have a chiller..and it will stay white longer as the little bit of possible shit does not dissolve into nest to turn it brownish fast. Also, remember to put them in dry and dark place not expose to the sun cos sunlight will turn nests brown.