V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry
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 Jan 18 2012, 12:30 PM
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Thank you Northface and WW sifus for your advice not to build in this market uncertainty but I cant find reasonable priced farms around Sel or N9. Perhaps you can help. Sorry to be longwinded, how many years can one get back capital if farm is about average successful, say spend RM350k? Thinking hard to enter this biz.
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Jan 18 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jan 18 2012, 09:08 AM) wah...the bn market is dead but here still alive ahh?...Lowyat boleh lah!... Hi CK,» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  Last you were here you were abt to go look for a tall building to take a flight...you still here means u grew wings ah? U now can also cling to NP to build nest also?  Nice of you to drop by for the EBN funeral service. The chanting monks sounded like this to me ..... Ohhm Asa ToMa Saga Maya Asa Toma Sakit Mata (Translated as below...yes I can selectively remember sanskrit) Surrender not to em scoundrels EBN may still reach the shores of the middle kingdom By path of least resistance Just occured to that fatman...read what he said .......here...... BTW anyone in for a GROUPON effort for a submarine? or a fleet of them? We can safely operate them until a license/certification is required by some other ministry OR until they successfully make those Navy ones operate properly OR until the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency planes can operate |
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Jan 18 2012, 03:26 PM
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Some of us here did have a share in getting us in the present trouble but then all were past and we all should look forward toward a better future. I think that we shouldn't laugh at others when all of us are in such bad situation and maybe help if possible but never put salt in to already deep open wound caused by those greedy ppls but the rest of us like me do have our share to be blame as we never tried hard enough to prevent such incident from happening although we knew of it long ago and some maybe forsee the problem will be expose later.
Just for discussion, phone up to the Puchong processing plant and ask for a quote for your nests. You need send there personally to get a valuation for your nests and you disagree with their quote, then you may take the nests back; how dangerous to take back your nests as someone may just rob you of your nests. What you get is Rm2000 to 2300 per Kg and only interested in A nests. Other nests not interested, so how much of your nests will past the standard required so better to smuggle out the nests. What's about corners and broken and dirty nests; how much does it worth? Since CNY is near, better enjoy eating your own nests and maybe, make a few dishes out of EBN and enjoy the nests for it's the only opportunity like this that you can afford to live like a Emperor and eat birdnests for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper and even " Long Hou" with it. Meanwhile, Let's all forget about the birdnests and enjoy the CNY with joy and happiness cos only with happiness and joy will bring a better New Year. "KONG XI FA CAI" and "Dragon" will be a Great Year for all. This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 18 2012, 03:29 PM |
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Jan 18 2012, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 18 2012, 03:26 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « how dangerous to take back your nests as someone may just rob you of your nests. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « You have said many times...it's greed...it's the scoundrels' parents who failed. For the new year I hope they all choke on their duit haram. Robbery FYI....You can be accurately targeted by use of an RFID reader. This is the 'data confidentiality' issue with the use of RFID which I think the govt will try cover their arse with a new legislation sometime later. How nice if all RM500 bills have RFID embedded in them...I wanna to take up a new profession! Imagine the headlines... robbery suspect shot dead by xxxxx errrr... holding an RFID reader ....errr which was mistaken for a fat gun. Of course samurai sword was also found in the car!!! |
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Jan 18 2012, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(kohloh @ Jan 18 2012, 11:44 AM) KANASAI LU,,,, datuk,actually me jus sau kong ny fr cny,,,when tis crisis is happening now my profits jumps 4times,,,hehehehe gong xi,,gong xi,,gong xi wo ya.... fr e latuk pucong & e latuk seri Nol Amah u think he so free ah go open ceremony fr u if not involve?? be cool guys,when they got their 3B approve then u guys can all bring yr nest to sell them at rm$4500/kg good ma,,, NFC,,opps should i say NBC(natinal birdnest coporation) ,,,& dont be .... u mean to say NT$4500 a kilo right?...  at least this CNY, i no need to buy white blossom tree...as i can decorate my house with white nests.  u good lah...can sau kong.. we farmers, no choice to sau kong also but with no money coming in but only nests.. what to do. sau kong lah!. tomo will be a better day.  Don't worry be happy. Always Look On The Bright Side of Life : http://youtu.be/WlBiLNN1NhQ |
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Jan 18 2012, 05:59 PM
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Hi, can share where to buy Fendona in Malaysia? Any contact to provide?
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Jan 18 2012, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Jan 18 2012, 05:59 PM) Hi, can share where to buy Fendona in Malaysia? Any contact to provide? Just go to any agri shop near your area, they should have it. If you are in KL, you can get it at one agri shop near YMCA brickfield. |
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Jan 18 2012, 06:58 PM
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[Noh said the Government would not be held responsible for products without the “1Malaysia Best” logo. Noh said previously only a Veterinary Services Department certificate was needed but due to the decline in quality, additional requirements had been added. He added that only eight companies had acquired the certificates so far.] from News Reported.
Does that mean that the VDept isn't doing its work right and efficiently and the Agriculture and Agro-Base Industry Minister has kicked the VDept between the legs! or am I wrong??? Below, my opinion only I would suggest a better way is still to have the only Veterinary Dept Certification but under a sub committee dealing with EBN comprising of the 3 departments or more if and when necessary under the supervision of the VDept and in this way, we can have all departments under one head without a case with too many cooks. Do we really need 1 for everything for the No.1 is to earn but not just by proclamation. What is the use of always taking about one stop centre and now, we even split the one into three and maybe more in the near future. Also, this will save faces for the Veterinary Dept.....which has done alot for the industry. This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 18 2012, 08:13 PM |
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Jan 19 2012, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(Slowstart @ Jan 18 2012, 12:30 PM) Thank you Northface and WW sifus for your advice not to build in this market uncertainty but I cant find reasonable priced farms around Sel or N9. Perhaps you can help. Sorry to be longwinded, how many years can one get back capital if farm is about average successful, say spend RM350k? Thinking hard to enter this biz. The price of BN isn't even stable nowadays therefore can't give you any projection. And besides the price, the rate of success of your BH is even more important. If no nests inside, what to harvest and sell?You sure no reasonable ones in Selangor? I just visited a couple in Rawang last month  |
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Jan 19 2012, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(Cergau @ Jan 18 2012, 02:34 PM) Hi CK, Sifu Cergau,Last you were here you were abt to go look for a tall building to take a flight...you still here means u grew wings ah? U now can also cling to NP to build nest also? Nice of you to drop by for the EBN funeral service. The chanting monks sounded like this to me ..... Ohhm Asa ToMa Saga Maya Asa Toma Sakit Mata (Translated as below...yes I can selectively remember sanskrit) Surrender not to em scoundrels EBN may still reach the shores of the middle kingdom By path of least resistance Just occured to that fatman...read what he said .......here...... BTW anyone in for a GROUPON effort for a submarine? or a fleet of them? We can safely operate them until a license/certification is required by some other ministry OR until they successfully make those Navy ones operate properly OR until the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency planes can operate ya ahh...can advertise in GROUPON !... With normal price at RM8k, we can now offer RM4k a kilo for processed nests !.. better than throw all the nests to river !. hmm....can get rid of the nests and ask those AP 1 Malaysia Best to fly kite !!.. i guess we have no other choice but to do it if force us to dead end...  |
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Jan 19 2012, 08:58 AM
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Sifu ChanK I actually just heard this from a friend a few days ago. He tried to promote his company product so he went to GROUPON. Turns out groupon DOES NOT earn money based on a certain % of your sell price, they just ask for a lump sum per item.
Like my friend item selling for $399 they ask for $100 per unit, crazy!! So Rm 4k BN become 3k after goto groupon. Better send out BN hamper during Chinese new year, can let other ppl hutang you some goodwill! |
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Jan 19 2012, 09:47 AM
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Sifu northface,
yes, u are right. thts what they do and as they will need to look at what u are selling and if ur products are good deals and expected to sell well they will willingly gives u a better rate. in order for farmers to survive in this situation, u either go out n sell it or wait for luck to come ur way. u cannot depends on the govt, that all should know. u cannot depends on your associations, Just curious, where the hell is all the bird's nest association heads? no one complain though....guess they also get their own AP already if i m not wrong. No way they don't know this thing as all of them are small time bird's nest traders in china using the bird's nest association names. there is only 8 companies have the AP, who is representing the farmers..NONE. It is too late to stop it, the only way is to get an AP for ordinary farmers, How? easy to say then get it....choisui a bit lah...since sau kong already mah... |
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Jan 19 2012, 10:37 AM
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Guys, my apologies..I suggested GROUPON as a joke to buy submarine ...not to sell.
But since sifu CK mentioned selling, it also caught my interest...did some reading.. this to share... There's ton to read but I thk 2 statements frm their FAQ very well describes it. What is Groupon? Each day, Groupon features unbeatable deals on the best stuff to do, see, eat, and buy in your city. By promising businesses a minimum number of customers, we secure discounts you won't find anywhere else. We call it "collective buying power"! We also feature Groupon Now!™, which offers deals to be used immediately after purchase. Groupon negotiates huge discounts—usually 50-90% off—with popular businesses. We send the deals to thousands of subscribers in our free daily email, and we send the businesses a ton of new customers. That's the Groupon magic. After all the fat man says 3 certs for export 1KG per tourist to prevent smuggling That implies 1kg per carry on is not considered exporting  PS CK pls dun call me sifu, Like I say I no sifu,I tipu... U know I dun hv a BH..I stay around in the hope 1 of u rich sifus will donate 1 to me someday PS2 anyone.....is the Perhilitan export fee still in place? Unc WW, DVS is under Ministry of Agriculture and Ago Ind. The inclusion of additional ministry is not abt their performance, it's about jurisdiction. Health matters (PPM?) cannot go under MOA so we have MOH in the pic now. As to the 1stopcentre ...(my joke abt 1 cert/chip rules them all?) It's feasible & w/o any of the ministry or depts losing their face-time nor their job and still yet appear to customers like us as a 1stopcentre. It can all be done through any computer. Of course if 'PERMANDUH/DRIVER' is coordinating this, it will probably cost a billion no less. |
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Jan 19 2012, 10:45 AM
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http://www.nst.com.my/local/general/noor-s...t-do-it-1.33762
Look at them, every one also so greedy on top of lazy as hell. Of course needs lots of lubang for extra income, the rest are just made up excuses. |
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Jan 19 2012, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jan 18 2012, 07:11 PM) Just go to any agri shop near your area, they should have it. If you are in KL, you can get it at one agri shop near YMCA brickfield. Can share the shop name? This morning, i just go there but unable to find this shop. |
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Jan 19 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jan 19 2012, 09:47 AM) in order for farmers to survive in this situation, u either go out n sell it or wait for luck to come ur way. I agree, but this is merely to survive. Very important nevertheless.Some have already shared...are the Chinese consumers still buying? Things will only recover when their confidence returns. If koloh's observations are accurate..then they are still buying but bureaucrats on both sides are hindering the trade for their mutual benefit. As such the current local price for raw EBN is artificial and distorted. How to fix? I dun know! My unsolicited humble observation is this... If u wish to do something yrself.. I would advocate responding to any negative mainland Chinese report (past and current) with bare facts like (there is no need to spin at all) 1)NANO2 in EBN occurs naturally 2)is soluble in water and is reduced with prewashing 3)no one eats it in the raw form anyway..if they do it's the wrong way to enjoy EBN's natural goodness Folks appreciate transparency and honesty and DO NOT underestimate the power of the net. Pls go check if what was reported in our local media on the above points are picked by the Chinese media there. If none, it smells doesn't it?. Then all the more we should bombard them with the facts in their alternative media. Sadly I dont do Chinese So you chaps who can got to do it.QUOTE(ChanK @ Jan 19 2012, 09:47 AM) u cannot depends on the govt, that all should know. Choking on their APs I hope u cannot depends on your associations, Just curious, where the hell is all the bird's nest association heads? QUOTE(ChanK @ Jan 19 2012, 09:47 AM) there is only 8 companies have the AP, Yes, it's not a monopoly...IT'S A CARTEL which is equally bad or worse since there's hints of conflict of interest.QUOTE(ChanK @ Jan 19 2012, 09:47 AM) the only way is to get an AP for ordinary farmers, was thinking the same thing...since there are hints of conflict of interest and presumably will thwart such efforts and the only people we can legally remove are the politicians...SO??????? you know I know when the time comesWe have tried shouting for a long time to no avail...so get people who are not deaf!!!!! and genuinely care for the ordinary folks. |
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Jan 19 2012, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Jan 19 2012, 12:06 PM) Can share the shop name? This morning, i just go there but unable to find this shop. Click here for google mapPerniagaan Indraputra 24 Jalan Padang Belia, Kuala Lumpur 50470, Wilayah Persekutuan 50470 Kuala Lumpur Email: Email Phone: 603-22731692 Fax: 603-22748789 I spoon feed you with the complete info and you must in return report the latest pricing of Fendona in this thread after you bough it.  I bought 1 lit bottle for RM65 in march 2010. |
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Jan 19 2012, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Jan 19 2012, 12:06 PM) Can share the shop name? This morning, i just go there but unable to find this shop. You may want to try GYM of Klang and his shop has almost everything you need for Birdhouse.Added on January 19, 2012, 2:40 pmOne Exporter of EBN came to have Coffee talk with me on export of nests and he told me after many months, he only has 1 certificate and he is still waiting for another 2 more. What piss me off is that he paid Rm20K+ to a consultant/expert who has the string, connection and reputation on it to do it for him. How many of us can afford RM20K for the 3 certificates! So, what leave us if we are to apply; a year, 2years maybe never in our life. In afterlife, I believe YLW, Emperor of Hell will be more lenient with us in the application for export right. By the way, how many of us here do process the 3 certificates and really how many of the 8 approved holders are BH owners. If ABCDEFG and H are in the same gang, what that leave us....to the guillotine !!!!! Fear and scare for the whole communities of Bh owners. Not for me cos I am not interested in doing exporting of EBN buz and rather wish others be given opportunity to do it if they want but never allow just a few to monopolise like everything else. Where are the so called Raayat Right Groups or the MCA or GERAKAN or others always boosting of defending raayat. Don't give us Angpow of Rm100, Rm200 or Rm500 cos it will last less than 1 month, help us to earn our living by giving us back the opportunity; fair chances without one hand tied behind our back. We are not beggars. The proverb that say that " Don't just give me fishes but teach me how to fish and I can have fishes for the rest of my life" should now be " I know how to fish without you teaching me but just allow me to go to the river"...........how do you expect me to fish when I am not allow to be by the river. AH JIB KO maybe a kind and caring PM but he isn't effective without the cooperation of his generals which I see far lacking in quality and faithfulness not to mention COR........ This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 19 2012, 02:40 PM |
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Jan 19 2012, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 19 2012, 02:09 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « One Exporter of EBN came to have Coffee talk with me on export of nests and he told me after many months, he only has 1 certificate and he is still waiting for another 2 more. What piss me off is that he paid Rm20K+ to a consultant/expert who has the string, connection and reputation on it to do it for him. How many of us can afford RM20K for the 3 certificates! So, what leave us if we are to apply; a year, 2years maybe never in our life. In afterlife, I believe YLW, Emperor of Hell will be more lenient with us in the application for export right. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « What baffles me is this ... How does he think he can export to China (my presumption since u mention 3 certs) when they have not even finalised the acceptable PPM? All this uncertainties certainly breeds many more 'consultants'. And if you were to reflect on some of the recent press conferences by that minister it gets even more mind boggling His statement seem to imply that once the processors get all 3 certs, it's good for a period. How can that be when each harvest and from diff BH will be different? The MOH cert certifies the EBN....... NOT the processing plant!!!!  eg below The minister said the company which obtained the three quality certifications would be allowed to use the "1Malaysia Best" brand on their swiftlet nest products, but they also had to identify a strategic partner in China to ease the trade and monitoring process. QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 19 2012, 02:09 PM) not to mention COR....... While we labour a way out of the pit ... the big timers are shoveling away the very earth we stand onRobber-baron Socialism to the Che Det Consensus. I can't take any more bad news for the week. |
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Jan 19 2012, 05:00 PM
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AP no AP, we are not the only country producing bird's nests.
Creating so many hiccup and monopolize the whole damn industry will only benefit our neighbours, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam. Those in China who do trading should know how much it affected them with all the news. Depends on your location, some are doing liked zero business for the past few months and only do liked 10% of what they expected to sell on this festival. And don't be envy if they make more profit as raw nests are at lowest ever..How long this situation will goes on? depends the big players how to play with it, pump money and get movie stars becomes ammbasador will helps. look at the new Yu Yan sang ads selling pure white nests bottled instead of selling yellow,pink n white combo nests...then u know... yah, we are wasting time here blah blah blah about all this, but as i said, choi sui only ya...already sau kong mah. Out of the 8, already 1 is offering to gives their helping hand to charge us a small sum to use their AP to export bird's nests which is good news for small processors as with these APs, it will wipe out all small processors in kampung that do processing n provides local kampung orang with a job...but what the govt cares, right?. Sifu cergau, u are a sifu. with ur experience in life, which we chinese said, u makan salt more than we eat rices lah.. so, u still a sifu to me loh. birds sifu no use one, u got one farm with 2 birds, 2 drops birdshits also can becomes sifu already mah..seriously!. just liked u are married, u are a wife sifu mah, u no need to marry so many times to gain experience as a husband mah....ai ya...u cakap sampai mana ni. back to choi sui. How is the market of China, i heard one Head of association selling liked 30kg a month in china...see, still ok mah. then i heard one friend in beijing selling liked RMB18,000 a kilo mah...ok mah!. so, after CNY, what can we do with all the nests? Clean it ourselves n sell it to china directly? |
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