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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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West Wing
post Nov 3 2012, 01:08 PM

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[quote=philoswiflet,Nov 2 2012, 08:21 PM]
I bought a freezer few months ago... but did not bother to use after using it once after storing for a period. The freezer is about 2ft tall x 2ft wide and 4 feet long; cost me $810.


Added on November 2, 2012, 9:15 pm

Freezer is cheaper than Chiller and I wonder why????? And remember to store your EBN fresh longer, one must store them in chiller and not freezer.......otherwise, you got patahan only.

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post Nov 3 2012, 09:45 PM

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A DIY modification by me using a vacuum cleaner. The sucking part for the table top and the blower for the top part and this way there will be a circulation of air from the top to the bottom and all dirt goes into the vacuum cleaner.

Just look at the top part and you see that you need no hand to handle the blower and you have both hands to manipulate the nests to clean it better. How good, it’s all depend on the vacuum cleaner power as the stronger the sucking so will be the blower and by reducing the noozle size of the blower, you get concentrate blowing power.

Assist me to forward to the forum to share if what they want to reduce the dirt and the bugs; this works wonder without dirt/bugs flying all over the kitchen.. and all free cos all needed is to attach the vacuum cleaner to the pvc attachment and you have a cleaning station.

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post Nov 4 2012, 01:35 PM

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[quote=West Wing,Nov 3 2012, 01:08 PM]
[quote=philoswiflet,Nov 2 2012, 08:21 PM]
I bought a freezer few months ago... but did not bother to use after using it once after storing for a period. The freezer is about 2ft tall x 2ft wide and 4 feet long; cost me $810.


Added on November 2, 2012, 9:15 pm

Freezer is cheaper than Chiller and I wonder why????? And remember to store your EBN fresh longer, one must store them in chiller and not freezer.......otherwise, you got patahan only.
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Freezer is usually used for commercial purposes but chiller used by people who drink wine ! So charge them more!

In actual fact a fridge is a chiller! It just doesn't have a glass front/door. The glass is usually double layer so cost more to fit.


Added on November 4, 2012, 6:29 pm[quote=coolandy,Nov 3 2012, 09:45 PM]
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A DIY modification by me using a vacuum cleaner. The sucking part for the table top and the blower for the top part and this way there will be a circulation of air from the top to the bottom and all dirt goes into the vacuum cleaner.

Just look at the top part and you see that you need no hand to handle the blower and you have both hands to manipulate the nests to clean it better. How good, it’s all depend on the vacuum cleaner power as the stronger the sucking so will be the blower and by reducing the noozle size of the blower, you get concentrate blowing power.

Assist me to forward to the forum to share if what they want to reduce the dirt and the bugs; this works wonder without dirt/bugs flying all over the kitchen.. and all free cos all needed is to attach the vacuum cleaner to the pvc attachment and you have a cleaning station.

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In Chemistry, a fume chamber is in a way similar where any fumes are trapped in a large box and extracted by a vacuum fan to be filtered and dispersed. Any goldsmith will tell you they have one to remove poisonous gas when they refine gold.

So, you can always build yourself a large enough box out of a 100 litre barrel and have an industrial vacuum cleaner attached to the bottom. Any debris from cleaning the nests will then be sucked in provided the cleaning is done directly over the mouth of the barrel.

I doubt if the blower from a vacuum cleaner will be powerful enough though, unless you are only cleaning first time nests. I unfortunately have to clean 3 to 4 cycled nests due to my laziness.



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post Nov 5 2012, 12:08 AM

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Interesting DIY nest cleaner.
Thanks for sharing.
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post Nov 5 2012, 12:22 AM

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I was surprised and saddened by the news...I knew there was this man called Charles thru Pak Hen's seminar in Jakarta in year 2010 and later found his bold plan to help the poor thru his blog and from there I was invited to join in the help for the poor and a discussion group later for the BN industry. But after some online correspondences, the line just went off without a clue...Sigh, my thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Nov 5 2012, 12:22 AM)
I was surprised and saddened by the news...I knew there was this man called Charles thru Pak Hen's seminar in Jakarta in year 2010 and later found his bold plan to help the poor thru his blog and from there I was invited to join in the help for the poor and a discussion group later for the BN industry. But after some online correspondences, the line just went off without a clue...Sigh, my thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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Through his blog, Charles was good scientist. His untimely death brought a sudden halt to the dissemination of new scientific data through his research.
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post Nov 5 2012, 07:04 PM

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Its nice to see kinds words being said about Charles after his premature death a few months ago. I hope his aesthetically pleasing one of a kind super swiftlet farm is doing well... I visited the link provided by Bobby C which goes to one of Charles's blog... I visited the site before... going through it again... one can see Charles certainly had a good sense of aesthetic in his articulate writings and the photos taken from nice angles; he was not only erudite and cultured but most importantly, he had times for others and his deeds spoke louder than words...

Before his death, I thought that perhaps one fine day in the future I might took some days off to pay a visit to his farm in Thailand and spend some time enjoying his company in his little kingdom (Where he was the sovereign among his wild life subjects such as various specie of birds(the most important are the swiftlets), animals, fishes, insects, microbes, etc) ... discussing not just about swiftlets
(As Lewis Caroll would observed in his rib-tickling poem- The Walrus & the Carpenter):
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

but also simply in enjoying the splendor of nature and in observing the starry starry sky...

I like to think that the character of a person can often be judge from how he or she behaves towards those who are powerless; and when one render kindness in whatever forms (time, effort, food, items) to another person in need who can never repay... well, it need not be a great help or a large sum... but the actions and thoughts will serve to cheer up the persons receiving help and perhaps inspired them to help themselves and maybe pay the kindness forward in the future. Charles's attempts to raise funds for helping the orphans in Thailand was the manifestation of his noble character (Since now the cinema is playing SKYFALL; so in James Bond' term, Charles was The Man With the Golden Heart) which perhaps is best described by these words of Dalai Lama: "My true religion is kindness."

I would like to mention about a likable guy whom I knew in my town who was in his early 30s; he was in the swiftlet farming business... he kept a farm and also did renovations for others.... suddenly he became quite ill (painful headache) and was diagnosed as cancer of the brain... not long after he died... This happened a few years ago.

Death is not something we can expect only at old age.... So do seize the day, guys!

I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately,
to front only the essential facts of life,
and see if I could not learn what it had to teach,
and not, when I came to die,
discover that I had not lived.

Henry David Thoreau
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/...4JVdpmikBtlg.99

A short intro about Thoreau:
The woods refers to Walden, a place of nature besides a pond. Thoreau was an American thinker who think highly of the Red Indians at a time when the general attitude was that a "good Injun was a dead Injun". He was deeply against slavery and actively helped runaway slaves going north to freedom by helping them as part of a network known as the Underground Railroad. He rather went to jail than to pay a poll tax in support of a government than condone slavery... out of the experience, he wrote the essay-Civil Disobedience which Gandhi read and formed part of his strategy to confront the British Overlords of India. Thoreau spend two years of his life living in a hut he build himself by Walden lake, on land belonging to his great friend-Emerson. He raised some crops for his needs and for cash so as to enable himself to spend most of his time contemplating life and nature and did much writings. The result of his time at Walden produce a seminal masterpiece-Walden that had since became part of the world literary heritage. Thoreau was a pioneering environmentalist at a time when the Industrial revolution is only just starting in UK... the earth was still shrouded in greenery and few person can identify with his worship of nature... for example, he would eulogized about the death of a venerable citizen of Concord where he lives... it was an great big tree that was fallen for its timber...

Thoreau had since became a prophet of the environmental movement... see how the manifold global perils of environmental wholesale pillage of resources and pollution that is causing great harm to human society, the foremost danger is climate change with the large output of carbon into the atmosphere... some believe superstorm such as Sandy that lashed NYC recently is a manifestation of the changes in our climate... See how the polar icecap at the Northern region is melting at an alarming rate? The largest of the land carnivore-The Polar bear that had adapted so well to the forbidding climate and flourished for so long is said to be facing extinction!

With the melting of the icecaps, its only a matter of decades before sea level will rise that will cause massive disasters to coastal cities around the world... about the only people disregarding such perils and actively argue against the science of climate change are the US Republicans who only care to loot from the economy for their selfish gains... see how they loosen the control in place for banks to sell junk investments to customers worldwide... US Republicans are morons that are warmongers and Robber barons that did not just the US great harm but the world as well... Lincoln who was the founder of the Republican party (GOP: Grand Old Party) must be turning over in his grave at the insidious creeds and deeds of his political heirs...

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post Nov 5 2012, 07:37 PM

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Nice blog from Charles, in remembrance of his good work. May be something good to ponder besides $$$ and birds.

http://my-swiftlet-farm.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

RIP Charles ..

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post Nov 8 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Nov 5 2012, 08:37 PM)
Nice blog from Charles, in remembrance of his good work. May be something good to ponder besides $$$ and birds.

http://my-swiftlet-farm.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

RIP Charles ..
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has no one been readingthe star world page 39 of 6 nov 2012?

I wonder if it is factual or................hearsay etc ertc etc etc etcetc etc

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post Nov 9 2012, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(tomytan @ Nov 8 2012, 11:14 AM)
has no one been readingthe star world page 39 of 6 nov 2012?

I wonder if it is factual or................hearsay etc ertc etc etc etcetc etc
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The EBN price is now bottoming as most of bad news has been out already. Unless CN gov announce total ban of entrance of EBN into CN, in my opinion, all bad news on EBN is already reflective in the current low price.

Since EBN has long with hundred of years history in CN and has proven good track record and produced positive impact to CN people who consumed it, demand for EBN will return over time.

Based on my observation, It has all started over the death of 2 CN citizen believed to happen after consuming EBN that leads to over reaction by CN gov by cracking down all the BN traders in CN. There was no published report available as to whether the death was due to contaminated BN consumed or may be contaminated / poisonous additive was added to enhance after effect of consuming BN.

There were also rumours going around in the market that some party / cartel who is trying to control the EBN market in South East Asia as well as in CN as it is a lucrative business for them to do so considering its huge market opportunity if the can control / cartel end-to-end flow of the EBN.
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Any sifu has a link to download swiftlet test call sound?

A friend need to me check whether his land can build BH but since long time nobody even want to touch BH I lost my test call and it's nowhere to be found sad.gif


Added on November 11, 2012, 11:15 am
QUOTE(zar7677 @ Nov 9 2012, 08:59 PM)
The EBN price is now bottoming as most of bad news has been out already. Unless CN gov announce total ban of entrance of EBN into CN, in my opinion, all bad news on EBN is already reflective in the current low price.

Since EBN has long with hundred of years history in CN and has proven good track record and produced positive impact to CN people who consumed it, demand for EBN will return over time.

Based on my observation, It has all  started over the death of 2 CN citizen believed to happen after consuming EBN that leads to over reaction by CN gov by cracking down all the BN traders in CN. There was no published report available as to whether the death was due to contaminated BN consumed or may be contaminated / poisonous additive was added to enhance after effect of consuming BN.

There were also rumours going around in the market that some party / cartel who is trying to control the EBN market in South East Asia as well as in CN as it is a lucrative business for them to do so considering its huge market opportunity if the can control / cartel end-to-end flow of the EBN.
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Personally I think don't keep your hopes too high. The world is different nowadays, few hundred years ago there were no TV or internet to provide ppl with information. I think a similar issue you can compare in this case is the 毒牛奶 issue (melamine-laced milk powder). This happened in 2008 and in 2012 which is 4 years later whenever you talk about milk in China the 1st thing you'd think about is still this.

If you goto HK there are still tons of China ppl come to HK just to buy baby formula because they do not trust their milk powder still. Therefore, it is very sad to say this but I think the damage in the EBN issue has already been done. A lot of ppl are pissed, you imagine you pay so much $$ to buy red BN and it is actually 'smoked' by using swiftlet excrement. Ppl will not forget easily, this is just an example of how ppl wanting short term financial gains destroys the long term future of an industry,

I think it will be 3-4 years before BN price start going back up again, just too much negative news surrounding BN. Some argue BN price still same so high in China, but don't forget the demand is no longer there. The shop can sell for 50k a kilo but if nobody buy what different does it make? The low BN price is a direct result of low demand for BN.

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No one has ever die of eating EBN for centuries and even that of the Red Nests although not advisable to consume due to the high level of N. Nitrate or Nitrite has never been proven to cause death or cancer but because Doctors have fear that they will cause cancer.......but without these Ns, more death will occur due to other factors and do have hundreds of confirmed cases of people dying of improper preservation or should say lack of using Ns in the preparation of the preserved food.

Vegetarians should be the ones to worry as they do consume alot of Ns from the diet of vegetable and alot of chemical and additives that make their food taste better like sea food or chicken or what ever you want your vegetarian food to look like and taste like..

Nitrates are widely used in preservation of meat and food experts never published that these Ns are bad but rather too much of it it is bad and we get 90% of the Nitrates from vegetable and not from preserved meat which do cause alot of fear at they do contain alot of Ns but not EBN, which is a more than 3 generations of health food which suddenly become a problem and why?

I feel like that they are bullying us and I believe that they have turn their guns at the wrong people for the wrong reasons.....Tell those chinese experts to ask their grandfathers on EBN heath advantages and how come their GFs can live such long healthy life as when your lung are healthy, you extend your life, too.....

My layman theory and explanation on the nitrates problem facing our EBN which should be allow unprocessed EBN right from the birds and let the EBN consuming countries decide how and what to become the end products........30 or 60 or 100 PPM. My suggestion also on packaging of EBN which I feel is wrong cos they wet the EBN and cause the level of N to increase so high as we all know that water + shit+heat will turn the nests PPM up and up and infact worse also with 0 Nitrate and seal air free so no oxygen, maybe worst thing may happen like infected with deadly germs like Clostridium botulinum, which cannot survive with the presence of Nitrate and oxygen.

May God help the Chinese if Hell go loss due to no nitrate in EBN and no oxygen in packaging with wetness.


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QUOTE(northface @ Nov 11 2012, 11:08 AM)

Added on November 11, 2012, 11:15 am


I think it will be 3-4 years before BN price start going back up again, just too much negative news surrounding BN. Some argue BN price still same so high in China, but don't forget the demand is no longer there. The shop can sell for 50k a kilo but if nobody buy what different does it make? The low BN price is a direct result of low demand for BN.
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If the price remain the same in China, then that will mean that there is a shortage of nests in China and there are buyers of EBN and Sellers are scare to sell for fear of getting arrested for selling undeclared or smuggled good as there shoulb be no nests in China as the Chinese has banned EBN from Malaysia which supposedly the only country allow to export EBN then,,,,,,

You will see the picture that 95% of EBN in China are underwatered and I believe that most of nests sold at present are to only regular clients and no more to strangers. We really don't know if there is a drop in the sales of EBN in China just that no nests can be seem in Shops normally dealing in EBN...........but we are sure that 0% sale from the upper category nests which is the RED nests which affect the Rich. Powerful and Famous group.

The low price here is because that there are lack of interest in buyers and not in China and not low demand of nests in China otherwise the price of EBN in China will drop due to poor sales and every businessman will tell you so.......but now, the Chinese outlets are buying cheap EBN and can sell high due to lack of EBN in the market and if we are able to flood the market in China with EBN, then the price may drop due to competition among sellers there.

Now, with news from a closed friend that even underwater gate is closed in China for now, more downs are expected to happen so budget your spending carefully. One suggestion is that buyers must remember that the China border is so huge even with million soldiers patrolling, there is no way to close all channels and alot of our Chinese counterparts are Cor****** then just pay pay lah.......

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Latest Price i get in sarawak
Full cup RM1500
Triangle RM1200

Just few weeks ago, all those underwater nests cannot enter china through hong kong anymore. I dont see much short term good news or even stimilus. Industry is so dead with little hope.
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So anyone have a link for the bird call sound? I need to go test for my friend tomorrow!
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QUOTE(northface @ Nov 11 2012, 04:26 PM)
So anyone have a link for the bird call sound? I need to go test for my friend tomorrow!
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See on the left hand side box with words: GRATIS Cek Lokasi, click for download stress sound

http://duniawalet.com/index.php/Kasus/Cek-...ai-HP-saja.html

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QUOTE(philoswiftlet @ Nov 11 2012, 06:46 PM)
See on the left hand side box with words: GRATIS Cek Lokasi, click for download stress sound

http://duniawalet.com/index.php/Kasus/Cek-...ai-HP-saja.html
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Much thanks!

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QUOTE(mois @ Nov 11 2012, 03:56 PM)
Latest Price i get in sarawak
Full cup RM1500
Triangle RM1200

Just few weeks ago, all those underwater nests cannot enter china through hong kong anymore. I dont see much short term good news or even stimilus. Industry is so dead with little hope.
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Where can I buy the nest with this price???????
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QUOTE(calvinswiftlet @ Nov 11 2012, 09:01 PM)
Where can I buy the nest with this price???????
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Sarawak here. One of my buyer quote. What is the price over your place?
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QUOTE(mois @ Nov 11 2012, 09:23 PM)
Sarawak here. One of my buyer quote. What is the price over your place?
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I'm from Sarawak too .. But no one wan to sell the nest with this price ..
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Let me teach you a way to make back some of the lost income from EBN.

Process you own nests and the most easier and simplest way is to do it into cake form and if you are at my age (cannot focus near too well), employ someone SYT to do the job.
Let say you employ one @ Rm600/month and even new young girl can easily clean 1.5K (100% cleaned) in a month.
Calculation/justification:
1. 1 Kg of patahan or 3S birdnest can only fetch @ Rm1K Max.. presently
2, Cleaning worker cost even 1Kg per month Rm600
Total cost of birdnest Rm1,600
You can easily sell the nests @ Rm3500/Kg and faster if you sell at smaller quantity like few hundreds grams giving you additional income of about Rm1300 per month per worker more than selling those rejects @ less than Rm1K. Id you don't believe, check it out @ medical shop and you will find that you are giving special offer @ this price.
Addition to this, you can proudly claim that your nests are 100% pure and direct from the farm…. just like what I preached all the time.

Thank me later when you sell more than 10K of nests and roughly about Rm13,000 more………

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