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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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tomytan
post Mar 2 2012, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 1 2012, 03:25 PM)
Dear TF,

Agreed that there are tons of unprocessed EBN in China and even after months and years, there still be tons as the smuggled EBNs are still going on "under the blanket" so to say. And, we honest people shall be the losers as we are forced to sell low and the middlemen smuggle the EBN into China and there shall be unending supply of unprocessed EBN with the exception of Malaysian EBN selling directly to China..........where else, the rest of the world are doing the buz "under the blanket".

Even thought that I am a seller of EBN but I will too buy unprocessed dirty nests for RM500/kg and allow me to tell here that those so called  big dirty nests are better than the small white nests as these nests don't melt easily while cooking unlike fresh white nests that will become liquid after awhile.

My friends in China once asked me why that their white nests suddenly disappear during cooking and I told them that not all the cases are fake nests but most probable could be young white nests which cannot stand the heating for too long. And these new white nests don't taste as good as old brown nests. Better keep the old nests and eat them yourself for health reason........these nests are the best, and remember, I never lie.

I wish to advice readers that do not have Birdhouse and want to buy nests for own consumption, do buy original brown nests as you can really taste the true aroma and pleasure of eating birdnests. Believe me and try out the original brown nests and infact the older the better and you shall experience the aroma of natural birdnest ( aroma of egg white) like you never before and will like it once you try it out.  I only clean brownish nests to sell to friends and never the white ones which I sell to the buyers because many who take birdnests never understand that being white is inferior and not superior in quality. I dream of the day that the people will pay better price for brown nests instead of pure white which may even being bleached.
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The Taikos from HK and Indon still control the bulk of the trade................we are just learning how to walk and want to ruffle their feathers...........no wonder their hidden hand is tripping us all over the place




tomytan
post Apr 7 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Apr 6 2012, 12:40 PM)
Just sold abit yesterday. Rm2500 AA.. Rm2350 A and rm2100 the other grades...but all cup nest.
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prices are looking better.........full @rm2500 to rm2900..
yet at these prices still difficult for new houses considering slow growth rate
1 kilo a month (successful 4 to 5 year old house for peninsula m'sia) house will only gross you rm30k or so
..interest, expenses, equip replacement etc not included
tomytan
post Apr 10 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(benchai @ Apr 7 2012, 05:41 PM)
Tomytan try go into other business like oil palm , rubber , coco , veg , chicken, cattle, goat farming with the same capital investment !We should be smiling.  Even at 2 k is still the highest price commodity to date.
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Benchai, i agree that this business is better in potential than those you had mentioned above. It is all relative.
Given the scenario, after 48 months getting, say, Rm2500 a month (1 kg /mth harvest or roughly a 500 nest house) before expenses is at best marginal.
The caveats i.e. fairly successful house , being in peninsula M'sia, slow growth ..;it is still a big risk.
There are those looking to "tax" you at base , whether you are making a loss or not.

Hopefully marginal houses won't be crying
Moreover there are those selling snake oil to those already down, out and desperate.





tomytan
post May 10 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ May 9 2012, 01:54 PM)
Oyeh! So, some Malaysian must be Billionaires smuggling nests into Malaysia and selling Indo EBN  out  to China as if those were Malaysian Nests....maybe buying @ M$3K and selling M$8K.

Lambat lagi! Indo Super Rich EBN Producers aren't stupid by getting where they are today; They only used some  Malaysians who earn alittle bit extra cash to help  TaiKo from Indo to ship the EBN to China from Malaysia........like the case of Malaysian fruits, Products of Singapore found all over the world... Here, Malaysian only worked for the BOSSES from Indo and Indo Gmen also being fooled or maybe they too have a share in the profit generated....

Name me one Malaysian that got rich from selling Indo EBN thru Malaysia.....only Malaysia courier services may make some extra services charges thru these transaction......and maybe some Malaysian earning Rm1K for the service...or maybe those Indo Buyers that were here did the export themselves @ Malaysia soil cos Malaysia Boleh, kan?????
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http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/cropmajor.html

above are 2000 US produce figs.... but just compare to
these weasel figures which are dumbing down everyone

pui !
tomytan
post May 26 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(chitchai @ May 26 2012, 01:18 AM)
Don't flatter us lah.  All the Thais here always talk about how much more developed (than Thailand) Malaysian has become.  We believe yr country is years ahead of us.  Even your minimum day wage is like 40RM, isn't it?  Our minimum wage is currently less than 30RM/day.

The prices I quoted are the averages from latest birdnest Auction.  However next auction not sure because everybody just made their biggest harvests.  So price could drop little due to large supply and rebound July-August.   Aham smile.gif sound like an expert??  Heehe...
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Dear chitcai,my comments in red

Don't flatter us lah. All the Thais here always talk about how much more developed (than Thailand) Malaysian has become.20 years ago when we were years ahead of you until the rot set in .. We were more advanced than the South Koreans. We were major exporters of tin, palm oil , rubber, cocoa, pepper, petroleum, timber etc .See what bs does to a nation We believe yr country is years ahead of us. Even your minimum day wage is like 40RM, isn't it? Wrong on all counts.Our minimum wage is currently less than 30RM/day. WE have yet to implement minimum wage.

The prices I quoted are the averages from latest birdnest Auction.We love to have an auction system here for a fair playing field. That is all we ask.Cartels are being formed to squeeze the small timers However next auction not sure because everybody just made their biggest harvests. So price could drop little due to large supply and rebound July-August. Aham smile.gif sound like an expert?? Heehe...

so many red comments... kindly rebuke


Added on May 26, 2012, 10:44 am
QUOTE(mois @ May 23 2012, 05:07 PM)
As always we are dealing with a bunch of monkey officers. You attended the meeting? Who is the chairman?
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....conducting same old same old stuff.......hopefully noble and open to logic

if china is serious about nitrite/ates content then Good manuf practice or even GMP+ from the factories/ processors shuld take care of the excess "poison".....
deal with the processors and let them deal with the suppliers .....
naturally occuring nitrite levels in bn varies with weather and hygiene....sometimes hi sometimes low...
if comes from nitrifying bacteria ..vet shuld identify

if china wants to import raw then they shul process in their own country until it is fit for their comsumption standards...onus on them

rfid bs will be a means to the same end as nano tagging petrol/diesel fiasco................big ones get away ..........blooming idiots



Added on May 26, 2012, 10:50 am
QUOTE(tomytan @ May 26 2012, 11:22 AM)
Dear chitcai,my comments in red

Don't flatter us lah.  All the Thais here always talk about how much more developed (than Thailand) Malaysian has become.20 years ago when we were years ahead of you until the rot set in .. We were more advanced than the South Koreans. We were major exporters of tin, palm oil , rubber, cocoa, pepper, petroleum, timber etc .See what bs does to a nation   We believe yr country is years ahead of us.  Even your minimum day wage is like 40RM, isn't it?  Wrong on all counts.Our minimum wage is currently less than 30RM/day. WE have yet to implement minimum wage.

The prices I quoted are the averages from latest birdnest Auction.We love to have an auction system here for a fair playing field. That is all we ask.Cartels are being formed to squeeze the small timers However next auction not sure because everybody just made their biggest harvests.  So price could drop little due to large supply and rebound July-August.  Aham smile.gif sound like an expert??  Heehe...

so many red comments... kindly rebuke


Added on May 26, 2012, 10:44 am

....conducting same old same old stuff.......hopefully noble and open to logic

if china is serious about nitrite/ates content then Good manuf practice or even GMP+ from the factories/ processors shuld take care of the excess "poison".....
deal with the processors and let them deal with the suppliers .....
naturally occuring nitrite levels in bn varies with weather and  hygiene....sometimes hi sometimes low...
if comes from nitrifying bacteria ..vet shuld identify

if china wants to import raw then they shul process in their own country until it is fit for their comsumption standards...onus on them

rfid bs will be a means to the same end as nano tagging petrol/diesel fiasco................big ones get away ..........blooming idiots

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....think "cottage industry" where all levels of low income citizens can participate lah from cleaning to exporting...
this will promote profit centers all over the country and drive the industry to its full potential
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This post has been edited by tomytan: May 26 2012, 10:50 AM
tomytan
post Jun 15 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Jun 14 2012, 11:37 PM)
According to Albert Einstein, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

For us, voting for the same BN parties and expecting them to perform better is MADNESS. I am sure Aerodramus Fuciphagus would welcome a political CHANGE in this country if only they could vote.
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..from sunrise to sunset industry in 8 months?....knn
tomytan
post Jun 25 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Jun 25 2012, 12:49 AM)
What makes u think China will not cut down the bureaucratic red tape, lower GST
further having waived 25% of import duty...lower than the cost of bribing customs
officials or smuggling charges to clean up the smugglers?

Why would China waive 25% of import duty in the first place?

First, some brush-up lesson on VAT/GST: A value-added tax VAT, like the GST,
Being a tax on consumption, and not on income, the tax system inherently
encourages savings and investments instead of consumption. The tax also has a
self-policing mechanism that discourages evasion, unlike in a retail sales tax system
or an income tax system where it would be relatively easier to evade.   

Case study of how GST works in Singapore:
A from Malaysia sells 1 kg of Sotong(squid) to client B in Singapore and A declared
S$2/kg of Sotong at custom. B cleared the custom after paying 7% or S$0.14 GST of
S$2 amount declared per kg. Then B sells at S$10/kg in the market. B makes profit
of S$8/kg. After deducting 7% or S$0.56 GST from the profit of S$8. B makes a net
profit of S$7.44(S$8-S$0.56) paying total GST S$0.70 (S$0.14+S$0.56) for 1kg of
Sotong imported....Singapore Govt collected $0.70 GST per kg of Sotong imported.

Do u think Singapore Govt  is smarter by collecting $0.70 in GST than China Govt for giving up this tiny
tax revenue in favor of smuggling?  Just what I see around me again.
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good government will take care of her citizens and will teach them how to fish and provide the tools , if not for free then at a subsidised rate
they will also teach disrespectful new rich to be civil and mete out punishment accordingly to the criminal
there is not much room for corruption if you feel responsible for 1,300,000,000 mouths to feed

tomytan
post Nov 8 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Nov 5 2012, 08:37 PM)
Nice blog from Charles, in remembrance of his good work. May be something good to ponder besides $$$ and birds.

http://my-swiftlet-farm.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

RIP Charles ..
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has no one been readingthe star world page 39 of 6 nov 2012?

I wonder if it is factual or................hearsay etc ertc etc etc etcetc etc

tomytan
post Nov 20 2012, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 19 2012, 02:49 PM)
It was told by Dato Tok during the Committee meeting of the Fed Association @ KL recently. I was there because my President cannot answered my Qs and asked me to go with him to the meeting and asked from the horses and there I was.

He and his men told me that there isn't a problem exporting the unprocessed nests and the only problem was that China refused to allow the entry of unprocessed nests into the country. I told him that many have complaints that they cannot take out the nests and he even make phone call then and confirmed to me that there was no such thing happening and that's nest isn't forbidden to take out all.

Since I have no time to take nests out and I am banned by my wife for venturing too often to China ( just kidding), someone please forward some proofs if nests really cannot be taken out at our airports... then, we got good reasons to bombard these Dato and gang.... He even told me that VHM or any other certifications can easily obtained and if I encounter any difficulties, he would help me out..........but I wasn't interested al all with the processing of nests in the first place.

So, anyone here do have the experience of being ban from taking EBN out of the country but don't tell me about that you were not allow to take the nests into China cos that's will depend on your Luck and your strength with the authorities in China and which Airport, too.
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.......the birdnest taipans of hk in the 20th century are still the taipans in this day and age........let's just say that they are still in control but subject to how they manoeuvre to get supply in ...........after all its their turf and playground

i think they should not be to happy with datuks trying to muscle their way in and teaching them to how
suck eggs






tomytan
post Dec 4 2012, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(philoswiftlet @ Dec 2 2012, 08:35 PM)
The thing is those of us who are already in town areas have to face whatever challenges that come our way; break-ins or whatever. Those wanting now to renovate shops into farm in town are taking a huge risk. At least many farms in town areas already have licenses.

I heard about a case in a pioneering town many years ago... when local authority wanted to close the farm; the case went to court and the farm won because the birds come by themselves into the shop.

Its something like illegal immigrations in the west; once so many illegals had joined the US or UK society for generations, there would be a general amnesty with conditions to legalize the illegals so as to reduce all the problems that came with so many illegal immigrants in society.

So there being so many farms in towns already, the approach of legitimizing them with licenses will then allow enforcement to solve problems of trouble makers. The thing is that no new farms will be allow to go up since a few years back.
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'.....he wants to climb the value ladder in the
targeted industries.
Take birds’ nests, for example. Nests made
with the saliva of swifts have been collected
for centuries from huge limestone caves in
idris’ home state of Sarawak to make the most
expensive soup on earth. Processing them
would give Malaysia a bigger chunk of a global
market worth $3.3 billion, he said.
Foreign investment will also provide many
of the 3.3 million jobs that will be created under
the ETP, whose over-arching goal is to raise per
capita income to $15,000 from $6,700 in 2009.
A challenge will be to upgrade skills in a
labour force long geared to basic manufacturing
and plantations, attract foreign talent, and try
to reverse some of the “brain drain.” About
700,000 Malaysians work abroad.
A new agency called “Talent Corporati.................'

in short they fried the goose they had hoped would lay the golden eggs by over regulating and hoping to get multiple income source from farmers etc

so the interim report if a big fat "F"


tomytan
post Dec 10 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 9 2012, 07:38 PM)
I am always fair and I will be the first to shut down if there is a reason that the BH cause any fatal disease and if the BHs do; the ventinery Depts will the first to close all BH even those of Agriland. The Ventinery Dept has prove that swiftlets and even their shit don't carry diseases harmful to human and if your argument is  not now, maybe later then you cannot be forgiven cos what IF can apply to everything, anytime and every people you meet that might cause a disease and you must sleep alone cos your partner may also carry the disease to you.

When the authorities bought the matter of bird flu, I strongly disagree with them on the ground that swiftlet never touch the ground and so, they never get the disease and also EBN is good for lung and maybe their nests may provide us with a cure for bird flu. For that, I also disagree with hand feeding swiftlets cos this may cause the swiftlets to get disease unheard of.

So far there isn't any disease fatal to human caused by the swiftlets and the most problematic to the industry is the sound..........and I for one support any action taken against the culprit and if they ignore warning, then shut these BHs down.

The public has the right to peaceful life and I for one will support their rights if BHs do cause diseases, then we all move but remember there are so many worst occupations in town like tire shops, pet shops and so many others and are the authorities going to shut all up. Bear in mind, that pet shops are worst than BH as their shits, illness and saliva do carry many diseases that can kill humans.....

Just by calling for a ban for the BHs @ town isn't the right way to solve the problem and I believe the very reason is political. The Politicians don't care a dammed about your life and all they bother are to get your votes. They don't have you or your problems at heart; only play play things in politic to them.

If you really look around you, there are many people killing factories and plants that can cause cancer or disorder but they are not banned cos these are you know why........

When they invite me to join the anti Lynas protest, I blatantly told them that not that I disagree with them but I won't want to join them as there are more such human killing factories so near our town and why bother to fight something  so far away and ignore those nearby. If I have the power, I will have prevented those dangerous factories near my town..........

Nothing in the world now is safe even the food that we intake....meat and vegetables....imagine the steroid and antibiotic given to fowls to booster their growth and fat at the cost of human life span. What really have been done and all they  point their guns at us....because there isn't any personal value to them and only can gain popular with the population.

Look around you and you notice if you are my age that many of my juniors have gone to heaven so soon even before God calling.......if you get my breeze..

Do the Gmen really care for you sincerely??????????
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...........cull the disease carrying pigeons first






tomytan
post Jan 2 2013, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(philoswiftlet @ Jan 2 2013, 08:40 AM)
Interesting to know that there are actually 2nd hand planks for sale in this industry from farms that had stopped the business. Will it be useful to attract birds to build their nests on planks with nest marking... I really don't know but feel that good location, design, and sounds are much more important that planks with nest markings. Sorry for the farms that close shop... must be a heart wrenching decision to stop after such high hopes when they first started. Currently my farms are stagnant in nest growth for the past year and its kind of depressing.... this industry is kind of over-promised and under deliver for many participants...
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Way back then, someone was quoting Indonesian sources (in this lowyat forum, i think ) that bird growth in P Malaysia will plateau off. I guess the trail blazing of new farm houses inland has come to pass that East coast birds and west coast birds already overlap in their feeding areas along the main range.

Again, it is all about carrying capacity and nature.......talk bout birds n the bees..................very similar free ranging animals

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post Jan 5 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(benchai @ Jan 5 2013, 08:11 AM)
Sandakan to host World Swiftlet Convention
Posted on January 5, 2013, Saturday

SANDAKAN: A World Swiftlet Convention (WSC) is in the works to discuss, among others, the commodity’s potential and prospects to industry players, according to organising chairman Datu Omar Ali Datu Bachtiyal.
The convention is expected to be held sometime in March.
Omar said the convention would have participants coming from China, Korea, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand. An invitation is being extended to all swiftlet ranchers in the country to participate in the convention.
“We’re working to ensure that the World Swiftlet Convention is a reality soon, and we hope government and private agencies will assist in helping us achieve this.” said Omar.
He added that such a convention would also be important event for the economic growth of Sandakan and Sabah.
“Sandakan is renowned with the existence of the Gomantong caves… but we have not seen any efforts in promotion to attract investors. So, I’m sure the convention will help to place Sandakan in the eyes of the world.” said Omar.
“My goal, together with Syarikat Gerak Borneo one of the participants, is to ensure that Sandakan becomes one of the leading producers of birds’ nests.” said Omar.

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