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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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zar7677
post Sep 22 2012, 12:21 PM

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Dear Swiftlet enthusiast, farmers and traders. Been reading and following your fantastic input and postings here for so long since V1 and never put up an idea or thoughts here.

Just wonder Dato Noh Omar has announced recently that EBN can now be exported to CN as before. We can expect price recovery soon from its bottom of 1500 to 5000 as before?

Interesting to notice that CK sounds so pessimiistic while WW is forever optimistic abt future of EBN... http://static.lowyat.net/style_images/1/fo...ost_icons/icon9. gifjavascript:emoticon(':clap:')
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post Oct 3 2012, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 3 2012, 01:42 PM)
When you are old and so used to BH, there isn't any excitement in visiting one and not even your own. My latest collection is completed and one day before the handling over the BH, the Indo subcon rang me and told me," Boss, banyak burung dalam dan masok juga control room!" Mari tengok tengok and I wasn't excited and didn't go to see what happening. The next day, the Indo man came to my office and asked when I was going to pay him for the services ie the remainder of the uncompleted work left by the Kontractor (mind you more than RM45K).........and he show me his Ipad (boy!, even orang Indo worker has a Ipad now) with video of my BH and the birds flying cycling inside and in the control room.........I was definitely glad and paid him without even checking the work done. Two days later, I went to the BH and I believe the the tweeters wiring is wrong and amps wrongly connected but I just left it as it it and now is about 2 months....even the work terrible and bad but I hope that the birds don't mind staying lah.

No more excited over the matter any more and reasons could be.
1. Fed up with farming already.
2. Getting too old to meddle or repair 15ft height BH. Tried once to climb a 12ft. ladder (expensive one lah) and I felt unsafe up there.
3. BH doesn't excite me anymore
4. Possible that the low price has negative effect on me.
5. My son told me to sell off all BHs, retire and spend well as if I don't, after I died and surely will, they will sell off the BHs as they have no interest in it........
6. Friends asked me to visit their BHs recently never get a "OK" from me and before, I was always ready to go at any time of the day.

So, in my case, the proverb of "I care for the swiftlets for 3 years and the swiftlets will care for my 3 generations" are all gone as when I die so are all my BHs.....and and with present price, you will lucky that your next generation can survive on EBN.

Another story from me and hope that you like it.
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Having following this blog and discussions for so long since V1, I'm very sad to learn that even the most optimistic and caring BH member is now losing interest and excitement in the EBN industry. Not so sure what is happening to those just joined the industry or other veteran with successful farm with over or below 1K nest. Everybody wants to throw the towel now?
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post Oct 4 2012, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Oct 4 2012, 12:00 PM)
Praying + Action = Change out BN
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Not so sure changing gov is the best medicine to the industry. I'm not trying to side the gov but based on my observation our gov is trying their hard to salvage, support and revive the industry. Even PM announced some time ago that the EBN industry is identified as the new source and potential for developing high income for its citizen. Somehow their involvement has been slapped with the confidence crisis (intentionally created or coincide I'm not so sure) As this industry is new industry to the gov (off course the best people to advise them should be the prominent people in the industry like koh loh, ww chan K, dato beh etc) I suspect they have been somewhat inappropriately advised by some people who is trying to exploit the situation to their advantage....


Added on October 4, 2012, 1:05 pmLatest today....http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/10/4/nation/12121120&sec=nation

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post Oct 4 2012, 07:28 PM

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In addition to what WW has mentioned, Looking at the current fiasco and doom we are in now, lesson learns that we farmers need to get our axe together as almost all EBN association and council is now represented by EBN traders/ merchants/processors/ exporter who are actively advising the gov.

Whereas majority of us poor farmers are not represented and leaving our fate to the mercy of the advisors.

I think the time has come for farmers to form its own association with no influence of the others who is looking to take big advantage from the farmers.
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post Oct 5 2012, 05:59 PM

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The situation has now changed. Genuine swiftlet farmers are now running naked. They have no choice but to sell RUBN to the local processors. This way we have to sell our EBN to only local processors at their price unlike last time they have to compete with foreign buyers at competitive price which is fair to the farmers.

That is why uncle ww is so depressed.

Unless and otherwise the situation is corrected and remedied by the gov, the local processors are laughing all the way to the bank while farmers are crying all the way to the bank......
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post Nov 9 2012, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(tomytan @ Nov 8 2012, 11:14 AM)
has no one been readingthe star world page 39 of 6 nov 2012?

I wonder if it is factual or................hearsay etc ertc etc etc etcetc etc
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The EBN price is now bottoming as most of bad news has been out already. Unless CN gov announce total ban of entrance of EBN into CN, in my opinion, all bad news on EBN is already reflective in the current low price.

Since EBN has long with hundred of years history in CN and has proven good track record and produced positive impact to CN people who consumed it, demand for EBN will return over time.

Based on my observation, It has all started over the death of 2 CN citizen believed to happen after consuming EBN that leads to over reaction by CN gov by cracking down all the BN traders in CN. There was no published report available as to whether the death was due to contaminated BN consumed or may be contaminated / poisonous additive was added to enhance after effect of consuming BN.

There were also rumours going around in the market that some party / cartel who is trying to control the EBN market in South East Asia as well as in CN as it is a lucrative business for them to do so considering its huge market opportunity if the can control / cartel end-to-end flow of the EBN.
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post Nov 29 2012, 06:27 PM

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1 to 3 years ago we looked and assessed this industry and all were very bullish on the future of the EBN industry like it will never drop. All corners in Malaysia from Perlis to Sabah are now filled with so many BH around built with a view that this is a get rich quick kind of industry to be in and participated by all. Even the gov't also was so bullish and even identify the BH industry as one of the industry that is going to be developed as high income economic potential.

The reality 1%-2% BH built are really successful, 3%-5% break even, another 10% are producing nest below 1kg and the rest are struggling to to reach and harvest 0.5 kilo(not to mention those who only has less than 20 nest after 1 year)

The scenario has now changed with relatively low price situation that we are in now has made the farmers think thousand times to venture into this industry. Farmers should know and should take a view that either the present situation is temporary and the price will recover over the longer term or otherwise will determine the investment decision.
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post Dec 5 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(chitchai @ Dec 4 2012, 11:46 PM)
Brother WW,
Prices in Thailand fell just as bad despite the fact that CNY is coming.  Birdnest Auction yields vary from 1.4 - 1.9k Rm/kg.  Sell to final consumers (if you manage to get one) give better price 2-2.4k Rm/kg.
Cleaned nests fetch approx 3.x-4.x KRm/kg.

I understand you all are pissed by your Goman/Authority of not helping enough on the matter.  Couldn't agree more but we all have to keep in mind that this is not up to your Goman only.  It's clear that China is putting up some kind of barriers on the luxury import items, no matter what the Chinese spokesmen said.  Nitrate is 1 thing and there are many more factor & procedures to go through that will dishearten any legit BN exporters.  That only leaves submarine(word choice for safety sake) the only alternative.  Now the Chinese have this submarine checked, while legit export is still very troubling to get done, all harvested birdnests have nowhere to go. 

Now in Thailand, where its Gomen not yet able to produce any legit BN exporters, whoever involved in the submarine to HK are controling the market.  They make quick bucks like you said, with no need to build BHs. 
Sad but we have to admit now is definitely their times.  Only hope is that our and your gomen are strong enough to negotiate, or trade some kind of trade privileges for exporting BN.  Then we might see light at the end of the tunnel.

Until then, I don't know what to say really...

For me, I sell some here and there, keeping the rest, hoping the current prices are already at the bottom of all time.
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Thanks Chitchai for your kind and interesting sharing on the situation in Thailand.

Appreciate if any readers from Indonesia that can share the market and situation from Indonesia perspective..
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post Jan 12 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jan 12 2013, 12:01 AM)
Perhilitan signboard on the nest export still at KLIA as I left the airport early this week. Just a banner behind the column. Nobody bother to look at it with current market.

Oii, just buang tu banner lah. Truly eyes sore.
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Just went.back from Tawau n KK. Noticed that the signboard prohibiting movement out of Sabah on ebn is still the same.

This is also need to be corrected n removed by perhilitan as it is not correct to classify ebn in the same catagory as other endangered species. Futhermore, this industry is one of the promoted n encouraged industry by the gomen movement of the ebn should be allowed out of sabah n to be smilarly promoted for export revenue for the country..

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post Feb 10 2013, 12:17 AM

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post Apr 14 2013, 07:32 PM

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http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...9015&sec=nation
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:20 PM

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http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/204970

Dear forumner and swiftlets breeders,

It has been close to a year from the last protest and the dust after 505 election has yet to settle..

The situation now still subdued the same way as before and no further news at the front end..while EBN price seems to go down and down....farmers are now crying with no tears over its investments in swiftles farming.

What seems to be a lucrative venture before... now seems passed by and gone....
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(northface @ Jun 24 2013, 04:27 PM)
A person that owns lot of BH. He says that big BN factory in Puchong will buy raw EBN paying up to $1800 to $2000, but the EBN you need to provide the registration number of the BH it comes from.

First time I heard something like this too.
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Dear Sifus and forumners,

I have not yet checked neither received any news on the recovery impact to the raw EBN price after the announcement made by our new MOA minister on approval of the processing house by the Chinese gov.

I think the announcement may give some breather to the restless ranchers who has been suffering for so long from the low EBN price fiasco since 2011. However, as also mentioned by Westwing before, I do not foresee the sharp recovery in the price until and unless the M'sian gov and Chinese gov liberalize the export of raw EBN to China...

Appreciate if others can share the current price of EBN at your respective areas... before the announcement..last quote was 1600 for AA...
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post Jul 26 2013, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 26 2013, 02:19 PM)
What are you implying at? Our situation for now is already total defeat and dark days. Left nuke only.
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Looks like all the farmers are defeated by the syndicates as they managed to corner the market and the price dropped and has not recovered?
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post Aug 2 2013, 03:06 PM

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What else can we do. Even to get the clean nest to enter China legally took 2 years and only 9 exporters approved by the Chinese gomen. according to internal source, 90% of the nest are now exported illegally smuggled thro underworld directly or thro neighboring countries.

Back to local situation, not so sure export of raw nest is going to materialise in the next year or two...or not in our gomen's agenda at all?
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post Oct 11 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Oct 10 2013, 08:39 PM)
The same buyer wants to buy the at lowest possible even market prices are said to be up is typical...

Lately, there have been news about poorly managed BH causing problems to neighboring residents or lower floor tenants in various areas. Some farmers have even given up the venture and revert back their BH to original for economic sense. Personally, I felt very  much the root cause of it is poor harvest and lower prices of the BN. Government should also take the blame for not helping ALL. Having said that, forum members who do the maintenance work consistently even without nests harvested for years have my greatest respect and admiration.
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Dear Sifu and forumner...

I'm calling and recommending all BH ranchers in Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand to call for silent protest for speedier recovery of EBN. If no action is taken by us, it means we will leave it to the fate and all middleman in the industry will be filthy rich and the farmers remain poorer and poorer.

The following actions is recommended:

1. Discourage new comers from building new BH

2. Those who already build the BH and operating more than 1 year with less than 20 nests, start converting the BH into other viable use/business. Otherwise you will be waiting for long long time from the business and will not be able make money at all or even recover your investments.

3. Those who have from 20 to 100 nests. pls do not do your harvest until it reaches 200 nest or do your harvest only once a year,

4. Same recommendation applies to those who have 200 to 500 nests.

5. Those who is enjoying more than 500 nests should start harvesting before the is hatched to enjoy good price of the nest as recommended by some of the greedy EBN buyers.

Off course, the above recommendation is not exhaustive and may give adverse impact to your nest growth in the short to medium term... in the long run it may help...
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post Dec 2 2013, 03:36 PM

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Ha..ha.. same same meh... thought be inside mulut harimau is better than inside mulut buaya....
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post Dec 12 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Dec 12 2013, 12:16 AM)
No bird shit :- all swiftlet must shit in toilet or farmers must force them wear bird diapers !
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Bomba compliance :- all swiftlet house must install fire extinguisher and farmers also train swiftlet to practise fire drill !
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This Selangor government is really f*cking stupid !!

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For sharing... at yohoo news...

http://my.news.yahoo.com/pengusaha-burung-...-021740340.html
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post Dec 16 2013, 11:16 AM

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Well looks like coincidentally all problems with Swiftlets all start with capital "S"

1. 'S'elangor -- 1st state that gives strict rules that will hurt farmers a lot

2. 'S'hit -- misconceptions by the public as swiftlet shit is safe inside the building whereas swallow's shit is public's' anomalies.

3. 'S'ound -- wrongdoing and selfishness of the farmers that needs to be corrected and rectified by the farmers and associations

4. 'S'ales -- farmers has been suffering for long time due to low sales price of the nest.. perhaps the ruling in 1. above can improve price of EBN..

....merely just observations...

This post has been edited by zar7677: Dec 16 2013, 02:31 PM
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Jan 21 2014, 11:38 PM)
WW, what you mean is despite all the Hu Ha, ban lifting by China la, prediction of price increase la, this bullshits la, that bullshit la, all over in our media, the price of EBN stay the same ?

Not a single f*cking cent of improvement ?

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Agreed with WW, apparently the EBN price has increased and now there is shortage of of EBN in East and west Malaysia due to wet season as bird do not make nest since last December till now.

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