Bro,

Incompetence is one thing but very greedy and want all is another thing!!!!!!!

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One thing for sure, everyone can manage Malaysia as Malaysia has everything.....a country made in Heaven.

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This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 8 2012, 12:43 PM

Hi guys, there's something I am curious and would like to ask about. I did a minor renovation on my BH last week and changed the external sound.
The renovation is installing internal sound system. Not really complete though. But better than previously which don have internal sound system at all.
I'm curious, why there are no birds playing or circling around my BH during the evening? Only those old birds start diving in around 7.20 - 7.55pm.
The last 2 days I saw some new young birds staying overnight from cctv as im in KL studying but according to my mum (she didn't see any birds playing around the BH during the peak hours). Maybe when the new birds come playing my mum din notice as she's doing something else.
Really weird but I do hope those few new birds will stay and be my permanent tenants as I'm desperately wanting to increase my birds population. My BH is really sick and I do hope to revive it. Hopefully the internal sound is the culprit that made my BH stagnant for years.

In an ideal world and society, politics should be a form of well rewarded national service in which the best and brightest take the helm and lead the rest into a world in which the interest of the minority is heeded as well as the majority; a world in which the human potentials are unleashed for the benefits not just the individuals alone but for society as a whole.

The weak and needy are help while the strong and gifted are applauded for their success which is not selfish but generous to themselves as well as to society as a whole. To reach for such an ideal society, many destructive and negative forces that try to grab resources at the expenses of others need to be confronted and overcome.

In extreme cases; conscience, human dignity and rights were severely abused and rivers of blood spilled for the avarice and ambitions of a few whom monopolized the rein of powers for evil. The pages of history reported many such creatures.... its not easy but there are brave examples of those who dared to defy the political ogres such as Philippine's Cory Aquino and Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi and the legendary Nelson Mandela...

I remember during the people power uprising in the Philippines during the late 1980s; a spokesman for the people power movement against Marcos observed that many decent people felt politics is dirty and shy away from it only to see the rein of power being usurp by the worse types of men and women... so decent and idealistic people with the aptitude and interest should take part in political life to ensure that society is not held hostage to evildoers that can easily create hell on earth...

There are such people who are ideal political helmsman; among my favorites are people such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Gandhi... some were not saints such as Deng Xioaping but did more than his share of good to redress the sins he had committed... he hold the enviable record for bringing out the most number of people from the bondage of poverty... and it was Gandhi who observed that poverty is the worst form of violence. Gandhi was such a special person who walked an extremely torturous path for the sake of the oppressed... he really walk the talk... he would travel long distance across India via railway in which he insisted riding in 3rd class... along with the multitude of poor... Read the life of Gandhi whenever you feel bad as his life is an inspiration to go on against the harsh challenges you might encounter... ditto for Washington, Lincoln & Teddy Roosevelt... as well as many others...

This post has been edited by philoswiflet: Oct 8 2012, 08:17 PM

1.B patient.......everyone is desperate for wanting to increase birds including the BH having over 10K nests and still renovating for more space.. so, everyone in the trade is aiming for the small quantity of young birds as many farmers are not producing new birds.. initially, 1ftx6ft plank design now becoming 1ftx2ft as there is no space for the birds already.

2. "Many birds come" don't mean many birds stay but then at least you stand a very good chance than your neighbor if he see "no bird coming" lah.

3. So difficult to be your own "DIY" BH if you stay far away as observation is importance in securing birds.... so, you must do it to your best ability and wait for result and if result is good, leave the BH as it is for at least few months for best results. Good external sound is to pull the birds into your BH and good internal sound is to make them used to the surrounding and staying need more than that as here surrounding, temperature and other factors also importance.

Patent of shits in the BH do tell you progress or mistake made so everything is importance as each item add in to get better result. One thing that you should remember is that not the loudest sound is the best but the most attracting sound as too loud a sound may frighten or disturb the birds.

So much today and hope you well.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 9 2012, 03:04 PM

CICERO PHILOSOPHY :

Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC, of the Roman empire)'s philosophy:

01. The poor: work and work,
02. The rich: exploit the poor,
03. The soldier: protects both,
04. The taxpayer: pays for all three,
05. The wanderer: rests for all four,
06. The drunk: drinks for all five,
07. The banker: robs all six,
08. The lawyer: misleads all seven,
09. The doctor: kills all eight,
10. The undertaker: buries all nine,
11. The Politician: lives happily on the account of all ten

so be so ............

Hi xunji,

Thanks for the observations by Cicero whom as I recalled was finally killed for his acid tongue...
Politics as a profession is often denigrated as being the 2nd oldest profession... after prostitution... and many lawyers are also not far behind for their odious reputation for subverting law for their personal gains and any evil masters they serve....

And imagine the combination of both professions into one and we see the horror of horrors... like the arising of Frankenstein's Monster! At least to be a lawyer one need to study and pass exams but there is often no such legal requirement to become a politician.

But in truth, there are conscientious politicians and decent lawyers... even in Malaysia... we have such examples of a politician such as Dr Tan Chee Koon who was known as Mr Opposition... or Dr Lim Chong Eu, a truly great Malaysian leader who worked tireless as Chief Minister of Penang against great odds. As to lawyers, I had a number of unsavory experiences but see how the Bar Council come out to fight for clean election in Malaysia... and my salute to the steely Datuk Ambiga for leading the demonstrations to push for reforms in national general election.

I don't know much about Prime Minister Tun Hussein Onn but his dad-Onn Jaafar was a pioneering politician who founded UMNO but later pushed for an inclusive party for Malaysia; and Tun Hussein Onn himself was a real life war hero in the fight against the Japanese in Malaya being a member of the elite commando unit who parachuted down to fight as a guerrilla under the British forces. I remember reading in a periodical that he observed it was better to be spit in the face rather than to have people urinating over his tomb. He seemed to be the best of Malaysian crop of Prime Minister.

And soon there is on the big silver screen and on DVD: Lincoln the movie by Spielberg who used all his experiences and resources to produce a biographically accurate compelling story of one of the greatest man that ever lived... and this self made, humble, intelligent, shrewd, kindly, moral, courageous man was both a lawyer as well as a politician. Do go and see this man when the movie came up.... he well deserved his gigantic memorial up on Mount Rushmore as did George Washington and Theodore Roosevelt, Mr Thomas Jefferson is in my book, a controversial figure because there is much hypocrisy that I dislike even though he was brilliant and achieved and contributed much to the common storehouse of humanity.

Every lawyer and those who hold political positions should keep a portrait of Lincoln in their office so as to remind them daily of what it means to be a lawyer or a politician; not just make a living or worse, to loot and rob and pervert justice to the highest bidders but to help make a positive differences to not just human society but to the environment and its inhabitants (flora and fauna) as well.

So do make a date with Lincoln.

This post has been edited by philoswiflet: Oct 12 2012, 06:38 AM

Hi, all sifu. I have a land in Papar, Sabah and would like to build a BH on the small hill. Would like to get advice from all sifu and looking is there anyone interested in JV.

buy some beers and have some fun ...

the rest of your $, buy a house that you will surely need at the end of your road.

I can see it that you surely need this house, can you ?

so my story so far... operational in end of July 2011... immediately (2-3weeks) had power loss issues (solar power). then in December, flooding and fungus then in June 2012 realize power loss again (using car battery, now kiasu buy proper solar battery still not yet arrive at bh after 2 months order) guestimate power loss everynite for 3 months as nest increment completely stalled. swap out battery and finally now past 130+ nests. then now amp rosak.. hais...

hahaha what an experience.. to all the sifu2 here.. is your journey as bumpy as mine?

Ya man, initially met typical con-man in town like many pak blogger attack, rats attack, musang near attack, mad man who owns nearby BH 'attack' (complained to authority noisy but mine quietest, sound probably reflected from his own BH ), touch wood no owl attack but watching closely, now Amar attack, RFID attack ... I am born a fisherman with 30+ crazy fishing experience, even no fish also can imagine fish biting so can still tahan no give up spirit .. . Else, could have give up long ago.

Many successful pioneers in town incl. old friend's mega highrise buildings for birds now also struggling with late comers. Collecting key for a new shop soon, initially intend for the birds but now can very sure forget about this industry just sell it off. At least at good tenable location. Thank God never buy an inflated agriland in the middle of no where, no turning back now. Good luck all ecoparks and cronies.

There are better investments else where with better return than this industry esp in Western peninsular towns. Thank you Amar and team for killing this industry. Future probably control by few swiftlet cartels. The rest can eat grass nests or own swiftlet nests.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Oct 12 2012, 06:52 PM

Mencius said, "When Heaven is about to confer an important office upon a man, it first embitters his heart in its purpose; it causes him to exert his bones and sinews; it makes his body suffer hunger; it inflicts upon him want and poverty and confounds his undertakings. In this way it stimulates his will, steels his nature and thus makes him capable of accomplishing what he would otherwise be incapable of accomplishing."

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Added on October 13, 2012, 10:45 pmLike what tuckfook and other exponents in this forum mentioned before, I guess the best way forward for you to tackle your sick farm is to go all the way back to the start of this forum in order to study the various postings. As you know, there are also many blogs with archives... not all articles and ideas can be taken at face value but at least you have some ideas to go through. It was like the dark age in the internet in terms of info on swiflet farming several years back... at least now you have substantial amount of material to work with. Read, think, digest and winnowed the wheat from the chaffs... the main thing is to have the correct knowledge and then implement the ideas in practical terms.

Keep a notebook to write down your observations and ideas and implement those ideas that sounds logical and promising. Try to visit other farms if possible and also learn from more experienced farmers. You can of ask in this forum and in fact, many substantial answers were in fact amidst the postings; but a lot have to depend on your own initiatives. So to revive your sick farm, you need to educate yourself which requires work. Write down the essential things and criteria in order to succeed and then write down points to implement your strategies. You need to know what motivates the birds and how they move about and what makes them choose to stay at your farm... try to create ideals conditions in your farm that attract them to come and stay. Survey the equipments and gadgets, not all of them are needed and you need to think carefully about the conditions for success and then the items that are truly required for the running of a successful farm.

Having a great spot is half the battle but I know at least of a farm at a superprime area teeming with birds and yet, the farm only recorded 80+ nests after one year of operation. So the design is of critical importance and so are other matters such as micro climate and the use of sounds and aroma. Read the postings until you can get at the essence of the various matter being discussed; take notes and study the notes to understand what actions is required of you. I understand your frustrations but you need to put in more work if you wish to see your farm being revive. Nothing of value comes easily; valuable aims more often than not require much effort.

This post has been edited by philoswiflet: Oct 13 2012, 10:45 PM

As for Lawyers, I have had this experience. Afew of my friends engaged 2 lawyers to take up their case and one of the lawyers told my friends that this case is 100% WIN case and their fee is RM40K upfront. I stood up and asked if it's 100% WIN case, then why need to go to court and what is the duty of the judge then because the case is sure win or if lose, will you lawyers give back the advance Rm40K paid cos the case is sure win lah.

You know what, the lawyer immediately asked from which Legal firm I am from and when I told them that I am not from any Law firm; they refused to talk to me again. Honest Lawyer is more difficult to come by than honest consultants......

Valuable Ten Words

The most selfish one-letter word:
“I” Avoid it

The most satisfying two-letter word:
“WE” Use it

The most poisonous three-letter word:
“EGO” Kill it

The most used four-letter word:
“LOVE” Value it

The most pleasing five-letter word:
“SMILE” Keep it

The fastest spreading six-letter word:
“RUMOUR” Ignore it

The most hardworking seven-letter word:
“SUCCESS” Achieve it

The most enviable eight-letter word:
“JEALOUSY” Distance it

The most powerful nine-letter word:
“KNOWLEDGE” Acquire it

The most divine ten-letter word:
“FRIENDSHIP” Maintain it.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 14 2012, 05:32 PM

No lawyer can or should guarantee a judge decision in your favour before the case goes to trial or during a trial. Such people are not lawyers. These scammers give the legal profession a bad name.

For those who have few thousand nests in a single BH, what is yearly increment percentage in nest count in your area? 30%, 50%, 70%, 100%? Need a benchmark for populated BH though.

My friend,

When one is having afew thousand nests, most of them will no longer be around or interested anymore. They aren't going to feed you the information and even if they are around, they certainly will not tell or are them asking for trouble.

But as far as I know, the truth is that not all are the same even in the same area.

Here, in town....one of my friends having a BH of 500nests 8 months ago now has 800 nests but another friend told me that his few thousands nests BH now has lesser 15% compare to last year. But then, another friend having few thousands nests told me that his BH has OK increment but can't provide an actual figure.

So, all depend on how you maintain your BHs even at the same location, you may get different results. To be honest with all, I would happily say that if you are a breeder, your BH will surely and obviously see an increment of nests no matter what others around experiencing....... but then, the pull of gold is greater than preservation or helping the species to propagate which only a small percentage will go to your BH while the bigger percentage will benefit your neighbors which now becoming your competitors in luring new birds which I can't see why so....as we are friends and should be unite and share views and experience for the betterment of all farmers( Protectors of swifltlets).

To think that the gain of another is the loss of your's is selfish and totally rubbish in the industry as we all contribute toward this community. Even if today, you contribute some to your neighboring new BH, in near future, this BH will contribute back to your BH as your old BH can draw in more birds than the newer BHs around.

Having said so, there was this one old story that a successful BH owners purposely refused to allow birds to breed in his BH to kill off neighboring new BHs so that they will sell off their BHs after a year of poor achievement ..... and he successful bought up afew BH in the same row of shoplots.

Well, that's the story that I heard.......and the rest are obviously my opinion to share.

To all Sifus.. Here is something that I would like to share..

Some of my friends told me that the more u harvest, the more increment u will have. But, must harvest only after the swiftlets has fledge..

However, from my observation after some number of
harvest(shoplot renovated 2 floors ~800nest), it will increase more n faster if we don't harvest and just to make sure the ambient is right.

Can anyone else confirm this? Thanks

Thanks you for valueable input WW! You always the best when it comes to sharing information

I have a bad news for swiftlet farming industry. My buyer told me his boss in indonesia has around 480tonnes of bird nest unsold. We have heard indonesia can export their bird nest to china. But the truth is, their nest havent appear in chinese market especially in Guangzhou. The reason why the price now is low is because of no demand for bird nest consumption. If china delay bird nest issue longer, more people will forget about bird nest. This is the main treat for swiftlet industry. Supply vs demand thing.

Production of bird nest increase mutiple fold ever since. If you harvest 2kgs today, next year you will be harvesting 4kg. That is 100% increment. Regional prices of raw nest is almost similar to us. Swiftlet industry future is on China's hand now.

One more thing, this month production of bird nest is low due to breeding season. In december, everyone harvests will increase about 2-3 times. Buyer side already predict rm1300 for AB. This is so doomed.

This post has been edited by mois: Oct 17 2012, 11:02 AM

My friend,

Let me tell you my reasoning and comments on the matter and that's there isn't a reason for Indo to keep EBN and they are always just dealing with HK all these years and have been doing so for century and only use Malaysia base to legally export EBN directly to China ( if they want to get all certifications for their EBNs in China) all these while cos they cannot export to China due to the Bird Flu for many years. So, Indo nests must be processed and certified safe as the country is still "Bird Flu" country in order to export to any part of the world. Now that Malaysia cannot export our nests, Indo also cannot legalize their nests in China so they will have to wait until their own country can legalize their nests to China which I believe will be more difficult cos of the "Flu" problem. (my assumption only)

1. Due to this, since the day that our country has the problem with Red Nests' incident brought out into the light by a famous Malaysian although these type of nests are never our's but we paid the price like" Lembu punya susu, Sapi dapat nama nya". So, what has this ban on EBN has big impact on Indo's nests. The said Malaysian's intention may meant good but the resultant was found to be HELL for Malaysia EBN as he didn't know (or did he) that all imported unprocessed EBN in China are deemed to be Malaysian EBN on paper.......

2. The Malaysian Authorities is right to ensure that future Malaysian nests exported must be our's and not just passing thru as we do have a reputation to keep otherwise, our nests will be banned, too.

3. So, some form of control is needed at the exporting of nests but why bother with the farmers as we are innocent from the very beginning of the incident.

4. All the authorities need to check are all the exporters to China or any part of the world to ensure that all EBN are local produced EBN and not foreign EBN using our access to China.

5. While admitting that we must make sure that the problem will not arise again but why disallow the export of unprocessed EBN to China or other part of the world; causing the greatest fall in price for our EBN.

6.IF some Dato's want to make our processing nests be the best in the world, we are also proud but pls. do allow unprocessed to be expoted and not to make it a necessity or requirements for export and this will only cause monopolization in the processing of nests and only the handful of the very rich and powerful will only be able to export and what leave us; price determine by a few rich sharks to make a kill whenever they want or fancy.

7.Like I said before, a team of buyers came and I asked them why they are buying so low and that retail price in China is very much the same. The Answers are surprising stupid as they told me that they still have unsold nests in China and so they have to sell high. The demand of nest in China is very much lesser and why are they buying from us and the only reason I can see is that there is no market for the very high end nests i.e Red nests which formally can fetch up to RMB60K now are all gone so there is certainly a huge drop in price but only that it's affecting the over priced nests.

8. If we are honest and only supply and ensure that all Malaysian nests are original and without any additive or chemical, there shall be no reason for China or whatever country to reject our nests as these nests have been proven safe and healthy for hundreds of years......

9. Provide our oversea buyers with real information on our EBN and assure them that the Malaysia authorities will take stiff action against anyone cheating on the nests like putting them behind bars and also canning, too to cause health problem or danger to the consumers but this will definitely be a problem with all the corruption going on.

Need to stop here as I can write for hours on the matter and everyone reading will be bored or sleeping....

Do have a Good Day


Words of Advice: Creating panic will only cause panic selling and this will only benefit middlemen who long ago only make 200/kg and now can make many times this amount. WW

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 17 2012, 01:06 PM

Bn industry already 80% dead but here still alive debating free and easy.

No need to debate or protest further as we know the only way to solve it is by NOV , make sure to vote bn out and sack all officers involved. But what is the percentage of KO this coming election? A bit slim lah. But pray everyday it will happen.

Bro,

The industry is still 100% intact and alive as long as the birds return and make nests but something so precious has suddenly becoming so cheap is what we couldn't believe and bear... I am still OK ( Chinese saying that rice pot still full from last season harvesting) and only difficult to find containers for the nests or rather just ignoring the nests and leave them where they are, high up there collecting more shits.....after all, what we are getting are shit price!!!!!!

We seek redress and corrections now and Election is still far away as far as many BH owners are concerned. They can't wait for the election like you and me as we are above water........

So, as my local association is getting the Fed. President and secretary over to explain the present situation, we should welcome them and give them the right to speak up first. Others Associations should do the same and to ask them over to explain all and what actions taken and when can we expect unprocessed nests to be exported. We must hear both sides stories before deciding who is correct and not listening to only one side. We, farmers aren't very concerned about the processed nest unless they allow all to processed and export and not only TOM and HARRY. Also, we want our rights, the right to export EBN unprocessed if there are buyers and we are not concerned about RFID or PPM matters if buyers don't.......

During the meeting, if we think that they are really trying hard to help and to speed up whatever possible way to allow our unprocessed nests to be exported; then all is well otherwise, the meeting will be HELL with them. Remember always stay united and never let anyone make you think that creating another local association will the way out. More associations mean divided strength and why not call for an EGM and a vote of no confidence be table if needed and let all members decide who shall lead the members and I believe this is what democracy should be; the majority win and the rest must abide. Useless to form new association unless there is the only way to solve the problem at hand.

Above are my own feelings in the matter affecting the industry and we all are smart people just bad luck now. Only during bad and troubled time must we stay united cos during good time, no one will be here to hear or even bother to post unlike me, busybody as always.

Remember, you always have me for a friend as that's for swiftlet matter only..hahahaa

Ishaallah, we all are in GOD's Hand....