How much is a 2 storey shop lot in Jerantut sell for? Let's say about 500k, which I think is already sky high for town like Jerantut, then your nest even value at 1000 each also not close to 1 mil.

And don't forget ppl value nests at 1k each because they used to sell for 4k+ per kg, now it is half the price and god knows how long it will last. If you can't get it cheap then why buy it unless you got lots of dough lying around nothing better to do with it. 

Let's say because of low BN price now you only value $600 per nest, 360 nest comes to $216,000. Total is 636k, since he's your friend etc you give him 50k more for renovation, work done etc.

Even then I wouldn't pay more than 700k for this shop, asking for 1mil is unrealistic, if that BH was mine and someone offer me 800k I quickly sell already. You really don't know how many months or years before nest price recover.

Furthermore seems like the whole shop is used for BH only so you have ZERO rental income, your income from this shop is from the nest you sell. 360 nest won't even get you 0.5kg every month, you do the math and see what your 'rental income' is from harvested nest.

One says this and the other says that; We ranchers are the losers and we just want to know why we need RFID in the first place as even if what the Minister said is true, we aren't effected as we are not exporting at all. If the Minister or his Deputy or his officer were lying and mislead the Raayat, we, the Raayat demand his resignation!!!!!!

We read from reliable sources that there was no such need and if other countries do not need it, why do we need it or is it our own doing that make the Chinese require the special requirement from our country. From what I gather that our neighbors do not need RFID and only 70PPM and why our's 30PPM or is this a way to prevent us from exporting unprocessed nests and need to sell to the selected processing plants in Malaysia to export.

Secondly,
1. If really required, only export to China will be effected and not to other countries.
2. China should follow international regulations and by its own regulations or is it our own doing.
3. If China really insist it , the exporters should be the ones that need it in order to export to China and for that it's none of our buz at  all..........
4. Why ban the export to HK when HK never require such regulations and only HK can decide if we can or not export to HK and not up to our authorities to meddle or be involved. The authorities are there to help and make it more easier to export and not the other way round. How HK going to export the nests are not our concern at all even if HK buy and burn all; it's their nests then and what to prevent them from  saying the nests are of Thailand or any countries at all.
5. Only the Chinese authorities can impost these requirements on us and then, the exporters here and others will need to abide the requirements or otherwise the goods will be confiscated by the Chinese Authorities. We hope our authorities to help us to be able to export but not to prevent us from export or cause more hardship than what we are suffering now....

My opinions on the matter discussed.

To all Sifus.. Here is something that I would like to share..

Some of my friends told me that the more u harvest, the more increment u will have. But, must harvest only after the swiftlets has fledge..

However, from my observation after some number of
harvest(shoplot renovated 2 floors ~800nest), it will increase more n faster if we don't harvest and just to make sure the ambient is right.

Can anyone else confirm this? Thanks

OH! nobody PM U on the matter also????

Feeling sad but then no one can blame cos with the present situation like fire burning here and there, who else got the heart to talk of anything else but matter concerning export and corruption or stupidity maybe purposely due to self interest involved.

My experience concurred with them in some way but then you need to ensure that the nests are used before harvesting or otherwise, a drop may occur. Why???? you must talk to an experienced guy or do have a fellowship coffee with me and I will tell you why and why and promised that you shall pay for the coffee..OK???

Many former friends here are now Sifus and have migrated to maybe creating their own blogs or should say that no time for this learning forum as they have already graduated from here and becoming a Sifu in their own right with exception of a few died hard guys who never say no to any SOS...........if got the time.

Personally, I am not longer interested in the industry and  let it be unless you are in my town and wanna talk "birds"  while we have our coffee.

Never say die!
Due to low price and bleak future, nobody really pay much attention to this industry anymore. We just harvest and do the cleaning every 2 weeks for side income(if a bh yield 6-7kgs monthly still can fetch rm10k!) Cant hope much for prices to rise.

As said by WW, some fellows already graduated from here and their BH is on auto pilot mode which now requires maintainance every 2 weeks. So some of them really busy i guess. But i am free so i think still can help you abit.

Regarding to the harvest, from personal experience we harvest the fledged one only. Newly build or eggs never touch. If you dont harvest, chances that the bird will lay eggs on that nest again. We called that double wall nest. Normally yellowish in colour since quite old. This kind of nest belong to grade C. My personal advice, harvest the fledged ONLY.

If you see some swiftlet baby on floor, put them in the nest. If you treat swiftlet with care, they will reward you. More like karma thing. Throw eggs harvest is no no no.

Let start off with a case history,

Ten years ago, I got this one BH with approximated 2500 nests and didn't got the time to service or harvest the nest and after 6 months, the amount of nests in the BH was above 4000 nests........ but if you do harvest only the fledged bird nests, then you may notice that the number of birds flying in and out of the BH seem to be much more but whether that you have disturbed the BH and taken (destroyed) alot of nests and your birds are scared  and many will fly in and out so often that  many of nearby birds will join in to fly into your BH to check out why so many birds are flying in and out as swiftlets are very curious in nature. So, all will depend on your BH if these new birds will stay . if you just leave the nests, any of these new birds will and may start building nests so fast like the case history above ( provided of course that your BH is a thousand nests over).......without the need to check out and observe your BH for a few days or weeks before deciding to start a family there.

This way, lesser new birds but the percentage is more satisfactory compare to much more  birds inclusive of new birds flying in after you harvested alot of nests creating confusing in the BH............" a bird in hand is better many birds in the bush" if you believe that proverb or are you taking chance to open out your BH for public(birds) to see and hope that the amount of new birds checking out will stay.

Taking of Karma,
Infact, I introduce many to venture in to this trade when the price was good and even explained to them on the method of successful swiftlets houses using sanctuary method of ranching and most now have become indifferent since successful due to the high profit generated by the industry..........harvesting 6 times a year.......like a guy telling me that he would be able to pay for a new car each year with the extra income from the 3 extra harvesting if he harvest 6 times instead of 3 as suggested by me.

Throwing away fertilized eggs are also great "SIN" in Buddhism but not in some other religions.