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weikee
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Aug 14 2014, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 14 2014, 12:34 PM) The Segamat case as evident from the picture, it was caused by an old instant water heater. As for Mont kiara case, I was told by people within the industry (dealer) that the mont kiara case was a storage heater. It's just hearsay, please take it with a pinch of salt. No confirmed report says it was storage heater or instant heater. Is instant water heater, my friend have a condo there.
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weikee
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Aug 14 2014, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 14 2014, 10:58 AM) You can't compare water heater with kettle because there is a big discrepancy between the two that you are not in direct contact with water in kettle. As for storage tank heater, if the heating is switched on and you are using the shower via mixer, what makes it different from instant water heater ? Yes, I agree that by switching off the heater before bath will provide 110% safety, it goes without saying. But this safety regime must be manually carry out everyday by a very discipline single user in order to achieve full proof safety. If you factor in human error of the 1st user, human mistake of the second user, the third user and so on, we definitely can't claim storage tank heater is 110% safe. Both kettle and storage use the same copper heating element. Same as copper heating stove, you don't hear it get electrocute. Base on my own experience, Instant water heater with build in pump is not lasting, the circuit inside always get fried. My mom house is now on 3rd Water heater with build in pump. Both unit faulty because Earth leaking due to fried circuit inside. Storage water heater, you can also ground the outgoing copper/S.S pipe, this will put additional safety. The Ground cable run independent from the supply to Storage heater. This will increase the safety. Nothing is 100% save, even solar will have its problem. What happen if it strike by lightning when taking bath? Termite attack the roof and it collapse? Gas had its problem too.
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weikee
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Aug 14 2014, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(houseman @ Aug 14 2014, 12:11 PM) Thanks for the input, actually one bathroom is ground floor the other 2 upstairs, so how many litres will be sufficient for 2 small ones? Which brand again? You need to check your house layout is it feasible to put one in ground floor. I use 25L for each bathroom.
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aeiou228
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Aug 14 2014, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 14 2014, 01:44 PM) Is instant water heater, my friend have a condo there. Scary. Just to share this interesting story. My relative has a stainless steel water tank (as seen on picture attached) installed at the roof deck. They hardly need to use the electric water heater because water from the roof deck tank is warm enough for shower even in the morning. This one definitely save energy and won't get electrocuted.
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weikee
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Aug 14 2014, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:02 PM) Scary. Just to share this interesting story. My relative has a stainless steel water tank (as seen on picture attached) installed at the roof deck. They hardly need to use the electric water heater because water from the roof deck tank is warm enough for shower even in the morning. This one definitely save energy and won't get electrocuted.  Lightning strike  especially for people like me who always speak loud to my parent
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aeiou228
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Aug 14 2014, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 14 2014, 02:07 PM) Lightning strike  especially for people like me who always speak loud to my parent  What do you mean ??  add on: Oh I got you. This post has been edited by aeiou228: Aug 14 2014, 02:17 PM
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weikee
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Aug 14 2014, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:12 PM) What do you mean ??  Chinese saying if you scold or talk loud to your parent lighting will strike you  On the SS tank, if in rainy day the water also get cold. Cannot enjoy hot bath lo. When we have hot weather we don't use hot water that much.
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aeiou228
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Aug 14 2014, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 14 2014, 02:19 PM) Chinese saying if you scold or talk loud to your parent lighting will strike you  On the SS tank, if in rainy day the water also get cold. Cannot enjoy hot bath lo. When we have hot weather we don't use hot water that much. Well, my relative installed the SS tank at roof deck with 2 main objectives only, durable and easy access for maintenance (at second floor roof deck). To be able to to tap the sun energy was never intended and it was discovered accidentally. The water temp is lukewarm and just nice for shower. Only during prolong raining days they use instant water heater. For more than 10 years already the SS tank still standing strong under the hot sun.
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houseman
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Aug 14 2014, 07:15 PM
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Ok so joven or alpha better? I've only got this 2 to choose, price doesn't differ that much
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ozak
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Aug 16 2014, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 14 2014, 01:38 PM) Bro, if don't trust the electronic, you have to take cold shower wor, how ?? As the matter of fact, I've been looking for a branded 10mA RCCB but it's kind of scarce and the price is prohibitory expensive. This article was dated 6th June 2014 Read more: Safer water heater rule revived - General - New Straits Times http://www2.nst.com.my/nation/general/safe...0#ixzz3ALCtcmRtI m not phobia till like this la. He...... I still take hot shower. Just make it more safe. And don't relied on the heater safety device only. I already known many case even before this 2. Learn from people mistake. It is not like a fridge, tv, rice cooker or aircon. This electrical applicants spoil doesn't kill you much. But heater spoil, will kill you. It doesn't tell you I m spoil. Only kill somebody than know it is spoil. If you open up those mcb, breaker etc in your db box, you don't find any electronic thing inside this device. It use electromechanical to trip for safety. Electronic act fast. But not reliable in longterm. Guess you already play a lot with electronic gadget. You know their life term.
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aeiou228
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Aug 16 2014, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 16 2014, 12:22 PM) I m not phobia till like this la. He...... I still take hot shower. Just make it more safe. And don't relied on the heater safety device only. I already known many case even before this 2. Learn from people mistake. It is not like a fridge, tv, rice cooker or aircon. This electrical applicants spoil doesn't kill you much. But heater spoil, will kill you. It doesn't tell you I m spoil. Only kill somebody than know it is spoil. If you open up those mcb, breaker etc in your db box, you don't find any electronic thing inside this device. It use electromechanical to trip for safety. Electronic act fast. But not reliable in longterm. Guess you already play a lot with electronic gadget. You know their life term. "I still take hot shower. Just make it more safe" Can you share with me how do you make it more safer just for instant water heater ? The only additional safety precautionary measure for instant water heater that I can think of is to add a 10mA RCCB at the main power on/off switch but this device is damn prohibitory expensive.
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spyonu
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Aug 17 2014, 01:09 AM
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New Member
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Guys..just wanna ask about joven 880p series is this ok? I saw some ppl post noisy and most disappointed water heater is that true?
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ozak
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Aug 17 2014, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 16 2014, 12:58 PM) "I still take hot shower. Just make it more safe" Can you share with me how do you make it more safer just for instant water heater ? The only additional safety precautionary measure for instant water heater that I can think of is to add a 10mA RCCB at the main power on/off switch but this device is damn prohibitory expensive. You can check the discussion here. --> https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2954371Than Whateva2k got find some cheap 1 from ebay. I ask him to share the site to you guys. Or start from here --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H92WPA-2-POWERBR...=item3a7dcfbf48 .Google find the cheapest. This is exactly same as what I install. Just my 1 older and different look. Look nice at the wall too.
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Deznom
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Aug 20 2014, 06:20 PM
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hi guys.. do u all have any recommendations for storage water heaters? have been looking around and joven seems to be a decent brand..
looking for at least a 50L tank and hopefully it can be slim as my ceiling height is about 10ft
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idoblu
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Sep 2 2014, 08:08 AM
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Another case - » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « By Chai Hung Yin The New Paper Monday, Sep 01, 2014
He was taking his usual shower in the evening when, suddenly, he started screaming.
Shocked, the family rushed to the door, only to find it locked. Beside the door, an electrical socket connected to the water heater was smoking.
When they finally battered the door open, 18-year-old Gregory Ng was on the floor.
"We turned off the electrical switch and went to his side," said his grandfather, Anthony Ng, 62, a taxi driver.
His face was very pale by then, the older man told The New Paper at their Hougang Avenue 3 flat on Saturday.
The incident happened around 10pm on Friday. Mr Ng, a recent graduate of the Institute of Technical Education who was waiting for his national service call-up, was unconscious when the ambulance took him to Changi General Hospital. He died shortly after.
A Singapore Civil Defence Force spokesman said he died of a cardiac arrest. He was cremated on Saturday afternoon.
During The New Paper's visit, his grandfather explained that the young man had lived with his grandparents, his aunt and his two younger brothers in the three-room flat since he was a boy, after his parents' divorce.
Recalling the tragedy, the 62-year-old said that before the shower, Mr Ng had told his grandmother he'd talk to her after his bath.
His younger brother and aunt tried to perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation, with instructions from the rescuer on the phone, but to no avail.
Gesturing to the water heater, which was connected to the socket by a wire, the grandfather said that they had bought it recently to replace the old one, which was not working.
He said he had picked a branded heater based on the shop's recommendations.
He was heard saying: "I spent more than $300 on the water heater and it killed my grandson."
Police have classified the case as an unnatural death and are investigating. This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 2 2014, 08:15 AM
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cablesguy
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Sep 10 2014, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(Deznom @ Aug 20 2014, 06:20 PM) hi guys.. do u all have any recommendations for storage water heaters? have been looking around and joven seems to be a decent brand.. looking for at least a 50L tank and hopefully it can be slim as my ceiling height is about 10ft Im currently using Joven storage water heater, just changed the heating element for the 3rd time within 18 months. Im thinking of switching to Elton as they said its made in Italy and hence more durable, any Elton users care to comment?
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aeiou228
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Sep 10 2014, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 17 2014, 09:19 PM) You can check the discussion here. --> https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2954371Than Whateva2k got find some cheap 1 from ebay. I ask him to share the site to you guys. Or start from here --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H92WPA-2-POWERBR...=item3a7dcfbf48 .Google find the cheapest. This is exactly same as what I install. Just my 1 older and different look. Look nice at the wall too.   Missed the Self-Test RCCB Safety road show at 1U last weekend https://www.facebook.com/teeam.assnhttp://testrccb.my/It seems that the 10mA RCCB is getting cheaper. I've surveyed electrical shops around Puchong and found the following pricing:  Maxguard 16A RM90 (Local brand, got Sirim) Hager 16A RM170 GE 16A RM140 Housing RM2.00 Maxguard guy told me can install and replace the MCB inside the DB more neat and the whole length of wire from the DB all the way to water heater will be protected but electrical shop told me to install at the bathroom beside the water heater on/off switch so that user can conveniently test the RCCB more frequently. Any opinion ??? I still haven't find out what is the installation charges by the wiringman. Can a family handyman like us handles this kind of installation ?? This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 10 2014, 07:54 PM
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bengang13
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Sep 10 2014, 07:59 PM
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how is rubine? apparently they have one where they will auto check the ELCB. good safety feature, but the brand...
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ozak
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Sep 11 2014, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 10 2014, 07:44 PM)  Missed the Self-Test RCCB Safety road show at 1U last weekend https://www.facebook.com/teeam.assnhttp://testrccb.my/It seems that the 10mA RCCB is getting cheaper. I've surveyed electrical shops around Puchong and found the following pricing:  Maxguard 16A RM90 (Local brand, got Sirim) Hager 16A RM170 GE 16A RM140 Housing RM2.00 Maxguard guy told me can install and replace the MCB inside the DB more neat and the whole length of wire from the DB all the way to water heater will be protected but electrical shop told me to install at the bathroom beside the water heater on/off switch so that user can conveniently test the RCCB more frequently. Any opinion ??? I still haven't find out what is the installation charges by the wiringman. Can a family handyman like us handles this kind of installation ?? Install near your bathroom switch is better. Nearer and you can test it convenient. But the MAX guard RCCB picture is not wall mounted type. It is a DIN rail type or DB box. So you can't mount on wall like a wall socket. Installation is not difficult. But still need some basic electrical knowledge and safety to handle.
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Wolger
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Sep 11 2014, 11:42 AM
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How did people actually still get electrocuted by instant water heater?
I thought all the components like the outflow pipe, shower head are now not made of metal?
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