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post Nov 17 2011, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 17 2011, 01:13 PM)
Glad you brought this up. I myself am wondering why you lost see it fit to say something about us everyday without provocation when we aren't considered worthy rivals?

Now let me look into this article.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2011-1...nt_14111071.htm?

So the FA has decided to charge Suarez over an alleged racial comment and Suarez is still pleading "not guilty". If indeed he did use the term, "Negrito", as alleged by Evra, then he is guilty regardless of how acceptable it is in South America. This is after all England, where anti-racism sentiments are strong. Forget the allegations (I like how often this word is used a lot in this case) that his manc buddies call him the same name. It's a case of "only my friends can call me that". It is true however that the term, "Negrito" is indeed a term of endearment in South America.
However Suarez should be sensitive to the fact that those from other continents may take offence to it. If he did utter the word, I think it was more out of naivety than hostility but should be fined nonetheless for when in someone else's house, we should respect their rules. I can understand him not wanting to please guilty though especially if he didn't mean it as an insult. It's what I would do and if anyone here tells me they'll plead guilty to a crime they didn't intend to commit, then you're a bigger man than me. This is all assuming the allegations turn out to be true.

Wonder what the outcome of Terry's case will be now given that there is alleged (here's that word again) video evidence of him uttering a racist word.

To anyone who thinks these cases are that straightforward, not bothering to do research of reading before commenting, it's why there are people with different intelligence levels around.
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cool2.gif phew, you must've kept it too close to chest too long.

i threw doh.gif everytime when trolls speak in the house. thank you for lifting the burden too of how i felt when drama such as this is being debated.
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post Nov 17 2011, 01:41 PM

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Bringing up the Giggs or Rooney debacles doesn't mean it's ok for any of our players to commit similar heinous acts. It does however lend credit to the fact that there are so many hypocrites out there who are so willing to air someone else's dirty laundry without first cleaning up their own house. I don't care why Giggs did what he did, maybe he slipped and fell into her ***** or maybe they really are in love, I could care less. His personal life is his. All I know is I've always looked up to him as a model pro and that incident has kind of tarnished his image because I do not think you can accidentally do what he did. That being said, this is a separate issue and nothing to do with Suarez. All I ask is for people not to be hypocrites and if they have lost respect for Suarez, you have to have lost respect for Giggs as well.

Worse case, Suarez said what he said but I really doubt it was with malicious intent. He's played in Holland for years and there are a lot of dark skinned players and people there. If he was racist, it would have surfaced earlier although I'm sure there are those who will fail to comprehend logic like this. Like I said, he was naive but an example needs to be made and unfortunately for Suarez, it looks like he's on display. I believe they'll prove that he's guilty of saying it, but I doubt they'll prove he meant is as an insult and not as other South Americans mean it.
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post Nov 17 2011, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 17 2011, 01:41 PM)
Bringing up the Giggs or Rooney debacles doesn't mean it's ok for any of our players to commit similar heinous acts. It does however lend credit to the fact that there are so many hypocrites out there who are so willing to air someone else's dirty laundry without first cleaning up their own house. I don't care why Giggs did what he did, maybe he slipped and fell into her ***** or maybe they really are in love, I could care less. His personal life is his. All I know is I've always looked up to him as a model pro and that incident has kind of tarnished his image because I do not think you can accidentally do what he did. That being said, this is a separate issue and nothing to do with Suarez. All I ask is for people not to be hypocrites and if they have lost respect for Suarez, you have to have lost respect for Giggs as well.

Worse case, Suarez said what he said but I really doubt it was with malicious intent. He's played in Holland for years and there are a lot of dark skinned players and people there. If he was racist, it would have surfaced earlier although I'm sure there are those who will fail to comprehend logic like this. Like I said, he was naive but an example needs to be made and unfortunately for Suarez, it looks like he's on display. I believe they'll prove that he's guilty of saying it, but I doubt they'll prove he meant is as an insult and not as other South Americans mean it.
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That is why i said, if he is found guilty, then there is nothing to defend. till then, we just look at the outcome.
but seeing many hypocritical twats here from the other thread lambasting Suarez when they keep quiet about their own player's failing/heinous acts/betrayal/tons of no-no activities is disgraceful.

funny how we don't go in there to laugh at their own players heinous/malicious/flying kick intent on either fans or players yet they come into our thread to troll at the slightest sign of trouble for us. it's laughable to the point of making lowyat forummers with "elite" tags shameful to say the least.
hence the term "the difference" from 2 sets of fans can be seen here.

the old saying "shut your trap if yours aren't clean" doesn't seem to apply to a lot of them though whistling.gif
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post Nov 17 2011, 02:07 PM

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i cant wait to spit into those m.u fans face when suarez is found innocent..they swarm to our thread as if suarez is proven guilty!...tunggu ye nnt verdict nyer thumbup.gif biggrin.gif
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post Nov 17 2011, 02:32 PM

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My guess is that he did use the word, "Negrito" and he will be found guilty of it and punished. What doesn't go on record is that he didn't mean it maliciously and it is a more than acceptable term is his part of the world. You may be able to carry handguns in Texas but do it on KL and you'll get thrown in the slammer.
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post Nov 17 2011, 02:43 PM

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another example that manu fans rejoice and taunt us at every opportunity. pity their boring lives
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post Nov 17 2011, 02:55 PM

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If Suarez was charged guilty,we fans would be disappointed and ashamed.We are not proud but he will have our utmost support during this hard time,we wont leave him alone.

ow wait..leaving their team players alone after 6 -...sounds familiar whistling.gif
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post Nov 17 2011, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(radio_head @ Nov 17 2011, 02:54 PM)
Right. You should know because you are suarez.
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like you know? yawn.gif
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post Nov 17 2011, 03:00 PM

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Wonder why they so eager to come here and post.Not like they have more than a brain cell to post anything proper and decent.
They should know better than anyone else that karma is biatch.We said come back when you have 18,it haunts us now.

Well they're doing it worse than what we did last time,so in the future they will pay for it.Though,it's too bad that they are all too short sighted
to realise it.





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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 17 2011, 03:00 PM)
Wonder why they so eager to come here and post.Not like they have more than a brain cell to post anything proper and decent.
They should know better than anyone else that karma is biatch.We said come back when you have 18,it haunts us now.

Well they're doing it worse than what we did last time,so in the future they will pay for it.Though,it's too bad that they are all too short sighted
to realise it.
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if what i've learn from my sejarah teacher few years back is "History will repeat for those who forget"
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post Nov 17 2011, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 17 2011, 02:55 PM)
like you know?  yawn.gif
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I dont and I never said I did.
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post Nov 17 2011, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(radio_head @ Nov 17 2011, 02:54 PM)
Right. You should know because you are suarez.
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Right and those giving the verdict are mind readers.

Since juries and judged don't mid read, you base it on priors and he has none despite having playing in Holland for 5 years where if I recall there are a fair amount of dark skinned people who are either native to the country or surrounding countries like Surinam, and getting involved in charity work supporting solidarity, and fighting social inequality during the 2010 World Cup.

Do you disagree that it is used as a term of endearment in South America?

Ah but I may be biased of course so why don't you provide counter evidence?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Nov 17 2011, 03:13 PM
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post Nov 17 2011, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 17 2011, 03:11 PM)
Right and those giving the verdict are mind readers.

Since juries and judged don't mid read, you base it on priors and he has none despite having playing in Holland for 5 years where if I recall there are a fair amount of dark skinned people who are either native to the country or surrounding countries like Surinam, and getting involved in charity work supporting solidarity, and fighting social inequality during the 2010 World Cup.

Do you disagree that it is used as a term of endearment in South America?

Ah but I may be biased of course so why don't you provide counter evidence?
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If we go by your logic, the law only punishes repeat offenders?

First time I kill someone, no priors right? Drop the case then.

There is always a first time for everything.
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QUOTE(radio_head @ Nov 17 2011, 03:16 PM)
If we go by your logic, the law only punishes repeat offenders?

First time I kill someone, no priors right? Drop the case then.

There is always a first time for everything.
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True but where is the evidence of the crime then? It can't be a case of your word against mine no? In the absence of proof, then priors are considered. Else why would they call character witnesses in when a person can change?

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lol...Rooney can afford a hooker bcoz he threaten the whole club and make every manc act like stupid at first love him then hate him then love him bac,hence receive a pay rise.But then giggs doesn't do that and therefore dun have the money to go for a hooker.instead learn one or two from a.cole there.

i supposed i can make this assumption here without evidence can i?? or only u ppl can while we can't?ermmm....Btw if we does bring those issue up then where is another legend scholes who admitted at not willing to come on and play as well juz like tevez did??har...why both legends also this pattern... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(radio_head @ Nov 17 2011, 03:16 PM)
If we go by your logic, the law only punishes repeat offenders?

First time I kill someone, no priors right? Drop the case then.

There is always a first time for everything.
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if suarez is guilty, i'll be happy to see him punished. if not... how should evra be punished? it will be evra's 2nd false allegation yawn.gif what a soft defender you have there
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Unlike in some courtrooms where a person is assumed guilty until he can be proven innocent, I believe in the opposite. Suarez may be proven guilty of uttering the word, "Negrito" and he may be banned a few games for it.

As for intent, he is innocent until proven guilty, no? Or do you all have a different belief system? The same one adopted by our courts in the prosecution of opposition members. How can we prove intent? I'm not genius but to me, it comes back to your prior convictions (or absence of them) and behaviour and as I have stated earlier, there are no priors to support his intent was malicious, in fact I've just stated evidence supporting quite the opposite. Well if you do believe that a person is guilty until proven innocent, then we really have nothing further to discuss. So you can ask me how I know to which I don't but let me ask you this is return. How do you know otherwise? Any prior offences to support your case?

No doubt some braniac will interject soon by going, "ah he said it so he's racist la" without giving it a single though whether through choice or merely absent of the ability to do so.
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evra probably wish he was born otherwise. why so sensitive?
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shitty troll ruining a great band.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 17 2011, 03:33 PM)
Unlike in some courtrooms where a person is assumed guilty until he can be proven innocent, I believe in the opposite. Suarez may be proven guilty of uttering the word, "Negrito" and he may be banned a few games for it.

As for intent, he is innocent until proven guilty, no? Or do you all have a different belief system? The same one adopted by our courts in the prosecution of opposition members. How can we prove intent? I'm not genius but to me, it comes back to your prior convictions (or absence of them) and behaviour and as I have stated earlier, there are no priors to support his intent was malicious, in fact I've just stated evidence supporting quite the opposite. Well if you do believe that a person is guilty until proven innocent, then we really have nothing further to discuss. So you can ask me how I know to which I don't but let me ask you this is return. How do you know otherwise? Any prior offences to support your case?

No doubt some braniac will interject soon by going, "ah he said it so he's racist la" without giving it a single though whether through choice or merely absent of the ability to do so.
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Word vs word, only 2 ppl will know..suarez and evra. If you actually read what I posted, never once did I say suarez is guilty, I said charges were pressed or something along those lines. As for how do I know otherwise? I already said this, I dont, and I'm not playing the guessing game. I just hate it when people start to make hypothetical and plausible scenarios to "justify"

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