i am quite sure ..
chasis is the main support is not like u can cut cost from there.
mitsubishi didnt even allow proton to touch any of the chassis and engine parts until last minutes for the absorber setting only.

milo tin or not .. i think u really have not much ideas on car.. if u look at those door panel and stuff.. its exactly the same .. even those parts are soften to reduce impact ..

i use to have access to proton db .. thats why i know what the 40% roughly is ..
normal malaysian thinking .. expensive = good ... cheap sure cut many things .. but do remember its a car .. if mitsu allows proton to ALTER the chassis why not just allow them to use the CAMPRO engines... a lot cheaper the cost rite ?

anyway n00b123 --->
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/insight/

check it out ..
they have

Side Airbags
Curtain Airbags

So do u still think malaysia insights NCAP 5 star ??


This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Oct 2 2011, 04:35 PM

kenny , forgive them, i think in their mindset , they still judge a car good or not by knock on the bodypanel , test whether it hard or not, they think outerpanel hard=good, soft=bad. haha they never knew the part that absorb impact is the inner structure of bodyframe. for those who don't know , can go check how they design the F1 front wing, why they use carbon fiber as material to made it,
first reason of course it is light
second is because it face certain level of impact will absorb the impact and divide into power form.

and have a look at carrera gt body structure design, front end use 2 softer(compare to mainbody and engineroom) tube to absorb the impact during accident.


so you still think a car is harder is better huh? car hard like steel concrete wall is best la? then i think after you accident will let you become concussion.

yes, i'm sure it is still 5-stars NCAP based on FACTS below:

Tested model Honda Insight, 1.3SE, RHD
Body type 5 door hatchback
Year of publication 2009
Kerb weight 1240kg
VIN from which rating applies Applies to all applies 2009 model year Insights
Class SMALL FAMILY
Front seatbelt pretensioners
Front seatbelt load limiters
Driver frontal airbag single stage
Front passenger frontal airbag single stage
Side body airbags
Side head airbags

http://www.honda.com.my/insight/detail/majorequipment/

if u look at malaysia one .. it is only with front 2 airbags..
even inspira comes with dual stage airbags but we dont consider it NCAP 5 star bcoz lancer has 7 airbags (not malaysia version) ..
removing the airbag sure will lower down the NCAP rating..

like that next time no need crash the car dy, just check got how many airbags, and look at the stats, and announce, this car get 5 stars!!

wait, why are we comparing insight and inspira/lancer ncap/toughness?

opss.s.. out of topic .. hahaha

btw n00b ... NCAP is base on euro spec.. i have check all EURO spec comes with side airbags and head airbags .. the ALL MODELS doesnt apply to MYR one as only 2 front airbag .. summore single stage ..

http://insight.honda.com.au/about-the-car_safety.aspx

The Insight is equipped with a comprehensive set of 6 airbags as standard. Upfront airbags protect the driver and passenger in more ways than one. Not only do they provide cushioning in the event of a collision, they're also designed to minimise any injury that could be caused by the airbags themselves. Full-length curtain airbags round off the Insight's impressive airbag package.

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Oct 2 2011, 05:00 PM

i also dunno how things led from one another and it seems like we are into out of topic discussion
anyway, the 5-stars NCAP rating is evaluated based on real crash simulations and not by stats
The honda insights which are currently on sale in Malaysia are SE model and it is a completely built unit from Japan
Hence, it remains as 5-star as per the link below

http://www.euroncap.com/results/honda/Insight/365.aspx

erm.. i dunno u miss it or dunno how to read ..

Go to the part .. detail of tested car

u actually see it has
Side body airbags
Side head airbags

where malaysia version dun have..

a simple logic .... if i take a insight from japan .. remove all the airbags.. i can still call it ncap 5 star ?

wei, you still don't understand? , even same model they cut off some airbag, which make it if go through NCAP test again will get a lower mark , for sure!, please don't say a 7 airbag which rated 5 start NCAP and this is apply to a insight that equiped with 2 airbag also rated to 5star NCAP cause it called insight too!

okay..i've missed out the side head and side body airbags...ish..thought it was not included when there is no "tick" on that column..

its okay ..

malaysian car are always like tat.. they remove to save cost.
but anyway .. the NCAP can only be applicable for car 2 years old... unless everyone willing to change all the airbags every 2 years.. which i really doubt ..

well, still I believe it still have better security than proton/perodua cars

Actually if you read insight is quite economical, you service like a regular car. And if the battery died the is a switch to disable the hybrid function. I don't know how much you guys travel but for me rm70 for a 800km drive is good enough. Beside I like the way that it shut down your engine during traffic stop. You may say yala yala petrol cheap here and there... that's because the government is subsidies the petrol. Mind you sooner or later it will end. We see the chaos when badawi increase the petrol price to rm2++ every went crazy even ngv installation fro rm3k shoot up to rm6k call me crazy buying hybrid but when petrol go up then every one will go crazy lining up to pump the last full tank of cheap petrol. Oh you will not be spared using diesel or ngv price will go up face it. In another way battery is getting cheaper and if not mistaken nimh rechargable bateery now is quite a decent price. Rm2k for a battery replacement is not expensive consider it last 5 years it is just rm33.33 monthly and hybrid let me save rm150 monthly... I case whole replacement after 5 years (whole IPU) it cost rm7k monthly work out to rm116.00 offset my petrol savings of rm150.00 I save a little if the price of petrol remains. Just my calculation.

Calvin,

yes, we all know it is economical .. provided it is in healthy condition.
just look at car battery or laptop battery. It really depends on luck sometimes..
i have used a branded car battery before.. but lasted me 18 months only..
while i use a lousy brand before but lasted me 3 years!!

and with our local temperature which goes cold and hot .. which is the worse condition for batteries. You can hardly know how long it last .. if you are unlucky, u end up fork out more then u wish to .. its a gamble i would says.

i would gamble on something more solid .. yea .. we know petrol price will go up .. but i do put my gamble on them .. coz in malaysia there are still a lot of poor ppl whom needs transport.. no matter how, the G will subsidise the petrol bcoz if they increase too much .. ppl will makes a lot of noise especially those poor one
there are a lot ppl earn very less

You missed the point, if this simple thing worries you.
All things equal, pound per pound, it's a good deal, with or without the fuel savings.

Cruise control
Good looks
Fully imported.

And, most importantly is... You're not paying an extra 30/40k on 'nothing' ahem, tax. tax.
Compared with other cars around this price, you're paying 90k for a 50k car.....

The fuel econ is just icing on the cake...

Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

Ipoh Lad

[quote=IpohLad,Oct 2 2011, 06:23 PM]
Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

Ipoh Lad

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Somehow they have too. the percentage of poor is just too great else ppl will protest.. declare emergency.. country economy go down the drain

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It happen before and it will happen aain. Also oil price is going up and there is nothing you can do about it yes you can gamble that our nice goverent will alway be here to protect you hello wake up they just impose service tax for prepaid and increase electricity bill and what petrol will maintain yeah right!!! If you give me to put my gamble money on government or GENTING I choose GENTING!!! Hahaha since when you can put your trust on politician!!! Hahaha I rather gamble on Honda or Toyota I believe they are more trustable than government no offense T&H sux but gov sux even more hahaha

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Added on October 2, 2011, 7:23 pmOh Toyota and Honda do warranty the battery for 5 years

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Oct 2 2011, 07:23 PM

honda insight is one stupid car and honda is one BS company.. better buy vios, myvis, protons lancer .. these are the bestest & fastest sports cars

Yay... Yeah go BUY MyVI or what Jeremy Clarckson called MI VI