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 Honda Civic Hybrid Battery Kong, 2 months after warranty.

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alpha0201
post Oct 1 2011, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:53 PM)
Aiyar nobody buys a hybrid to save fuel ler. They buy hybrid cuz they wanna be able to say that they drove a hybrid. Something special mar.or other selling point like cbu from japan,etc etc. Saving fuel was never the main priority.
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Oct 1 2011, 06:26 PM)
here i confuse... Honda willing to replace the battery for her... but she say not enough... then court rule honda might need to pay her RM21k+... she also need to buy the battery with that money wat.
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same,im confused too. u see, like everyone of u saying, the cost of a hybrid car battery is rm20k then the court rule stating that honda need pay her rm20k++ in the end she have to use the money to buy battery also. so whats the diff?


Added on October 1, 2011, 8:08 pm
QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 1 2011, 06:31 PM)
no...read properly...honda refuse to replace for her @ 1st
same case last time with the honda's rear brake
they love to deny
later go to tribunal only scare
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now i feel my honda city brake also like quite bad edi. have to step deep inside only can feel the sudden jam brake. if just hold slightly to it like dint brake at all. sigh,losing faith with honda

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post Oct 1 2011, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:06 PM)
now i feel my honda city brake also like quite bad edi. have to step deep inside only can feel the sudden jam brake. if just hold slightly to it like dint brake at all. sigh,losing faith with honda
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your car how old already and whats the mileage?
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM

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my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM)
my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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fuu...2008 car 130k KM
u really travel alot ...did u ever change your brake pad be4?
if not...it really is time to change
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:06 PM)
same,im confused too. u see, like everyone of u saying, the cost of a hybrid car battery is rm20k then the court rule stating that honda need pay her rm20k++ in the end she have to use the money to buy battery also. so whats the diff?
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I think she felt being trolled when Honda malas mau layan her complaint then only later they offered her replacement after she filed the complaint to tribunal.
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:44 PM)
ngv is the true money saver..buy an rm45k 2.3l BMW E39 and put ngv sure win..
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ngv price is not stable also...anytime can increase...gas expensive also yaww...

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM)
my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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Wow... 40000km++ per year. Went to Hatyai often?.

Anyway, for such case I recommend you to own a 2nd car to even out the mileage. Mileage too high = Wear and tear, affects resale value. At this mileage you should change brake pad AT LEAST TWICE!!!
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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Oct 1 2011, 10:33 PM)
Wow...  40000km++ per year.  Went to Hatyai often?.

Anyway, for such case I recommend you to own a 2nd car to even out the mileage.  Mileage too high = Wear and tear, affects resale value.  At this mileage you should change brake pad AT LEAST TWICE!!!
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60k change once?
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post Oct 1 2011, 10:49 PM

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i thought Kah Motor hasnt been selling Honda cars since 2004?
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QUOTE(conan1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:23 PM)
ngv price is not stable also...anytime can increase...gas expensive also yaww...
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This one no need to worry so much...
Most users are taxi drivers.. they will complain on your behalf...

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post Oct 1 2011, 11:47 PM

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what complain?

they will just RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE like SPARTA warriors
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post Oct 1 2011, 11:47 PM

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well for honda, which has no track record, probably will give you problems. AS for prius, which is the more expensive version, has a track record.

But as we all know batteries never last forever. You got to replace them. The funny thing about our country is to promote greener vehicle, they remove taxes. Then the spare parts very expensive. What the heck. So should you buy a hybrid car? If the battery pow by company for minimum 10 years, then yes, why not.

Also alternative to hybrid is Direct injection and Diesel. Diesel is like hanging on there, we got some supporters but we don't have better diesels, thats why it is not common. Direct injection is something to look at, as it uses petrol, where we have some ok quality petrol, but not many cars in affordable range offers Direct injection. and those who offer are for rich and upper class. Proton and perodua may not be able to offer you anytime soon. So our country is stuck in petrol engine with high consumption. Unfortunately.

so very soon, we hope to see more and more direct injection engine and hopefully some good and conservative automotive company can offer a great range of good engines for us malaysians.
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post Oct 2 2011, 12:46 AM

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i think to her its more than replace battery but to prove a point that customer is still able to seek out option ..

i think battery 15k saja not sure abt this figure
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post Oct 2 2011, 01:11 AM

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The battery for Prius/Lexus CT200h are only RM11k now...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 01:11 AM)
The battery for Prius/Lexus CT200h are only RM11k now...
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hmm.gif hmm.gif any1 hv change it? inc labour how much
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post Oct 2 2011, 03:12 AM

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cos i drive my honda city around,average out total approx everyday about 130km. i change alot time already the brake pad but still the same.
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post Oct 2 2011, 03:53 AM

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Do buy hybrid but not from Honda thats for sure! I'm been using toyota prius since 2006 and it done 135k miles(216k KM) on the clock in the UK and it still running like new. Never been replace the battery. Just replace the brake pad once since then (lots of tyres & service ofcourse) because you dont use a lot of braking because of its regen braking. Does it save fuel ove normal ICE car? Hell yes! I was shock when I drive my dad 08 Vios & my brother 05 City both can only manage 400km in a 42 litres tank up and down the E1 between Ipoh & KL. My prius is the same size as a Civic can do 400km on 20 litres of fuel (I normally dont fill it up to full). Toyota Prius is the best car ever in my years of motoring.

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QUOTE(duckaton @ Oct 1 2011, 04:26 PM)
THE case of novelist Latifah Emir claiming against Kah Motors over a battery defect in her Honda Civic Hybrid entered a new phase on Tuesday when the president of the tribunal deemed their rebuttal insufficient to win them the case.

According to Latifah, the judge told Kah Motors and Honda the Consumer Act 1999 deems a warranty for a product as an assurance to customers and not a contract as it is usually one-sided and rejected the argument the car's defect surfaced after the warranty period.

Latifah said defects began appearing in month 22 of ownership as the high voltage hybrid drive batteries failed to recharge properly but Honda insisted there was nothing wrong with the car. The battery failed completely about two months after the two-year warranty period lapsed.

The tribunal president then queried Honda about their claims over 10 to 12 years' battery lifespan and was told the life of the battery would depend on the way it is driven. The president then asked Honda to furnish any documentary evidence that accompanied the sales brochure to support this claim but Honda failed to do so.

Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.

In the end, the president gave Kah Motors and Honda Malaysia until Sept 9 to provide a written submission to prove what they did is within the laws of Malaysia, and to challenge the Consumer Act 1999 Law if they deem it wrong. Otherwise, the judge will rule permission for Latifah to claim a sum of RM21,521.19 from Kah Motors.

The hearing for the verdict will be held on Sept 13.

Sos Kicap from MMail
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TLDR version

Civic Hybrid battery kong 2 months after warranty.
Honda refuse to replace eventhough battery life supposed to be 10-12 years.
Say warranty is assurance not contract.
Consumer tribunal ask Honda to cite law else pay RM21k
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Hah, buy hybrid summore lah.
Green konon, battery is hazardous to the environment too.

even if battery last 10 years, cost rm20k
petrol can save rm200 a month or not?
how often one drive car no change for 10 years...
think of the resale value after 10 years. no one wanna buy sked battery kong.

Thinking of buying Insight,
after reading this, scared liao
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Yeah, that's why i didn't consider buy hybrid when i bought my Inspira recently. Not only battery kong, there's lot s of electronics in a hybrid...the IPU in the insight also very expensive....Honda SA told me 30k.....sweat.gif....Whatever you save in your fuel...hardly can cover your maintenance/repair cost....

Furthermore, depends on your usage....people with low mileage like me....one year maybe 10K km only....totally waste money buying Hybrid...cannot recover ROI.... i trade higher fuel consumption with bigger space, bigger boot, power, comfort for low fuel consumption with small car, less comfort, low power and high future maintenance (Hybrid).

Hybrid is just not worth it now....maybe in future. But then, some said EV is the future, not Hybrids. I dun have crystal ball. Can't say for sure.


Added on October 2, 2011, 7:01 am
QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 1 2011, 11:47 PM)
well for honda, which has no track record, probably will give you problems. AS for prius, which is the more expensive version, has a track record.

But as we all know batteries never last forever. You got to replace them. The funny thing about our country is to promote greener vehicle, they remove taxes. Then the spare parts very expensive. What the heck. So should you buy a hybrid car? If the battery pow by company for minimum 10 years, then yes, why not.

Also alternative to hybrid is Direct injection and Diesel. Diesel is like hanging on there, we got some supporters but we don't have better diesels, thats why it is not common. Direct injection is something to look at, as it uses petrol, where we have some ok quality petrol, but not many cars in affordable range offers Direct injection. and those who offer are for rich and upper class. Proton and perodua may not be able to offer you anytime soon. So our country is stuck in petrol engine with high consumption. Unfortunately.

so very soon, we hope to see more and more direct injection engine and hopefully some good and conservative automotive company can offer a great range of good engines for us malaysians.
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I think Diesel should be the way to go for the immediate future. Heard some news last time better Diesel are coming to upgrade our diesel to Euro-4M standard or something. Hope its true.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Oct 2 2011, 07:01 AM
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replace with evolta lah.. can make rabbit round track 5 times.. hahaha

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