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 Honda Civic Hybrid Battery Kong, 2 months after warranty.

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post Oct 2 2011, 11:58 PM

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post Oct 3 2011, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 12:40 PM)
Turbo diesel very good bla bla bla bla...   but u have to look @ our local diesel quality first...
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Diesel quality is ok here. My Triton already 4 years old. No problems. Even my Kangoo also no problem. Both have regular service after 10k. Which idiot told u diesel quality very bad here? Drive first then only judge.


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 05:19 PM)
Actually if you read insight is quite economical, you service like a regular car. And if the battery died the is a switch to disable the hybrid function. I don't know how much you guys travel but for me rm70 for a 800km drive is good enough. Beside I like the way that it shut down your engine during traffic stop. You may say yala yala petrol cheap here and there... that's because the government is subsidies the petrol. Mind you sooner or later it will end. We see the chaos when badawi increase the petrol price to rm2++ every went crazy even ngv installation fro rm3k shoot up to rm6k call me crazy buying hybrid but when petrol go up then every one will go crazy lining up to pump the last full tank of cheap petrol. Oh you will not be spared using diesel or ngv price will go up face it. In another way battery is getting cheaper and if not mistaken nimh rechargable bateery now is quite a decent price. Rm2k for a battery replacement is not expensive consider it last 5 years it is just rm33.33 monthly and hybrid let me save rm150 monthly... I case whole replacement after 5 years (whole IPU) it cost rm7k monthly work out to rm116.00 offset my petrol savings of rm150.00 I save a little if the price of petrol remains. Just my calculation.
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800km at the expense of power! Diesel by itself is very economical and cheap to maintain. Less electronics and less hassle. Powerful too. Some like Triton can do 190kph and still give 700km for full tank. U try top speed on hybrid petrol and see la. Btw, monthly installment for Triton cheaper than Insight. Only road tax higher but u recoup the cost after 6 months. Personally, I hate cars with many electronics. Freaking expensive spare parts.

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post Oct 3 2011, 12:15 AM

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I know my dad drive a hilux and previously own a Nissan frontier I know the diesel and trust me it is not that clean... the only reason your diesel engine not giving much problem cause they are using 2nd generation common rail. Try 3rd generation commonrail TD like those found on BMW and merc CDI all black smoke hahaha

Yes you shout now cause at the moment diesel is being subsidies wait till the government reduce it. I do agree the diesel quality is getting better I'm waiting the government to announce the standard for euro4 diesel in Malaysia cause at the moment it is euro2 only.

Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid. Then you can compare... the current hybrid that get tax exampted is the green hybrid. But then again I do like diesel power...
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post Oct 3 2011, 01:12 AM

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yes, for hybrid vs diesel i rather get diesel
like comparing ct200 and bmw320d i will get bmw
or compare prius insight etc etc with ford focus tdci will get ford focus...the long term running cost is just not feasieable
diesel engine is so reliable...no problem whatsoever, proven tested, my dad prado engine last for around 500000km than we change it not because its gonecase, because it start to eat engine oil, how reliable is this engine man...just service and go, no need bother about spark plug or what, once in a while change filter and in a long time change timing belt thats all
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post Oct 3 2011, 01:15 AM

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Diesel quality here good? hahahahaha...

most of the diesel engine vehicle they recommend 5K service interval.. not those pick up truck like Hilux, storm etc we are talking about here...

simply google it out what diesel standard we having here..
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post Oct 3 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 08:58 PM)
no no...  wrong..  in LYN..  less air bag better coz Inspira have less airbag compare to other...  no need to replace later ma...  INSPIRA!!!   thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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your camry 2.4 also 2 airbags ma. talk ar?


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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 2 2011, 06:23 PM)
Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

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in this case, prius and insight is different. prius battery can last until 550,000 km from a taxi driver, and toyota exchange a brand new prius for him, and take his prius for R&D purpose, as it is the highest mileage for a prius.

and in this case, honda hybrid battery has died prematurely, 2 years ++. so, no wonder there are doubts in honda's hybrid battery reliability in msia hot and humid weather.


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 3 2011, 12:15 AM)


Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid.
maybe should show the youtube video how the GS450H reach 260kmh faster than a 335i bmw.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 3 2011, 12:15 AM)
I know my dad drive a hilux and previously own a Nissan frontier I know the diesel and trust me it is not that clean... the only reason your diesel engine not giving much problem cause they are using 2nd generation common rail. Try 3rd generation commonrail TD like those found on BMW and merc CDI all black smoke hahaha

Yes you shout now cause at the moment diesel is being subsidies wait till the government reduce it. I do agree the diesel quality is getting better I'm waiting the government to announce the standard for euro4 diesel in Malaysia cause at the moment it is euro2 only.

Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid. Then you can compare... the current hybrid that get tax exampted is the green hybrid. But then again I do like diesel power...
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Agreed dirty for previous Euro1 diesel. Now Euro2 much cleaner. Why worry? Black smoke usually due to dirty diesel particulate filter which all common rail have and owner never replace after 40000km. Replace and no more black smoke.

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post Oct 3 2011, 02:11 PM

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Euro 2 still considered dirty diesel this technology is based on say 1985 grade oh my...

now europe is moving to Euro6
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 3 2011, 02:07 PM)
Agreed dirty for previous Euro1 diesel. Now Euro2 much cleaner. Why worry? Black smoke usually due to dirty diesel particulate filter which all common rail have and owner never replace after 40000km. Replace and no black smoke. H
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There was some news previously that Euro-4M (M for modified! Ours is not exact Euro specs due to the weather...most countries in this region also used modified version of the Euro standard) is suppose to be coming soon....maybe next year???
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Whether diesel is dirty or not but still better than hybrid petrol. I have used Euro1 back in 2007-2008 and Euro4 from Thailand early 2011. And yes, Euro4 gives better power and better FC but the cost? RM 3.1/L! Now, it is a matter of time before the G move to Euro4. Even if they chose to stick at Euro2, it is still cleaner than Euro1. Try removing the diesel particulate filter and compare. When I was on Euro1, the filter is brownish after 20000km and now even after 53000km on Euro2, it is still white. However, it depends on where u pump the diesel. Some places especially old stations, the diesel is very dirty. With newer stations, no issue. I only pump at new stations.

During my trip to Sg Petani, the diesel is dirty since the station is over 30 years old. No choice but had to pump half tank anyway and a lot of black smoke. After reaching Penang, I pump full tank of Petronas at Juru where the station is less than 10 years old.
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Guess most of us bought Hybrid will be for the sake to enjoy the tax exemption to the G.

For instance, Insight will save RM75K of tax !!!!!

Any CBU car owner here able to tell us that he or she able to save this amount of $$$ ????

Or asking yourself how much $$ you paid to G for a CBU car you bought ???

We will talk about to save $$ for Hybrid car when patrol price goes Market Value which is RM3.X for RON 95 - which will be a bonus for Hybrid Cars tongue.gif


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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 3 2011, 03:45 PM)
Whether diesel is dirty or not but still better than hybrid petrol. I have used Euro1 back in 2007-2008 and Euro4 from Thailand early 2011. And yes, Euro4 gives better power and better FC but the cost? RM 3.1/L! Now, it is a matter of time before the G move to Euro4. Even if they chose to stick at Euro2, it is still cleaner than Euro1. Try removing the diesel particulate filter and compare. When I was on Euro1, the filter is brownish after 20000km and now even after 53000km on Euro2, it is still white. However, it depends on where u pump the diesel. Some places especially old stations, the diesel is very dirty. With newer stations, no issue. I only pump at new stations.

During my trip to Sg Petani, the diesel is dirty since the station is over 30 years old. No choice but had to pump half tank anyway and a lot of black smoke. After reaching Penang, I pump full tank of Petronas at Juru where the station is less than 10 years old.
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While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps. rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output, NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.

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in Malaysian context, how much is the roadtax & selling price of the BMW3? how much is a Prius? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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Yes, but the process to creating one of this hybrid batteries actually cause a lot of pollutions....read that sometime before...so in the end, less carbon, but other pollutions increased....and frankly, i bet 99% of people looking at hybrid to save fuel ($$)...NOT GIVE A FCUK about environment issues....just a fact.
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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 3 2011, 04:46 PM)
in Malaysian context, how much is the roadtax & selling price of the BMW3?  how much is a Prius?  whistling.gif
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if u can see the hidden meaning (behind the jokes done by the 3 top gear presenters), i feel sad for u

let me help u to get u on your way.

the hidden lesson here is
- it is not what u drive, but HOW u drive

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Hybrid??? Green...waste of money...........
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buy a Ford Focus diesel, what the resale value after 5 years?

almost every car manufacturer are developing hybrids, even Plotong is developing one. why pinpoint honda? it is because they are among the 1st to bring this technology to Malaysia? very soon, you will find hybrids everywhere, whether you like it or not.

as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 3 2011, 04:48 PM)
if u can see the hidden meaning (behind the jokes done by the 3 top gear presenters), i feel sad for u

let me help u to get u on your way.

the hidden lesson here is
- it is not what u drive, but HOW u drive

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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.

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as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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yup, every car has a battery, but the battery price keeps going up, damn!!!

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