the case already settled right? so be calm. no need to drag more la... dun be like a kid. human make mistakes. let's forgive and forget. and if TS or anyone else dun want to buy from ZW, it is ur own call... even b4 this i got not so nice reply from ZW,but that doesn't keep me from buying. we can advise him nicely. i hope TS can calm down and accept ZW apologies (if any). to ZW, cool dude... maintain ur calm. TS, do u mind to close this thread?tq.

Very true. As human, people do make mistakes. But if a person try to make amends and sought to settle problem peacefully I think we should try and be forgiving right? Doesn't matter if seller only want to settle after TS put this dispute thread. The point is the seller willing to settle the problem or offer solution. He did not just ignore and stay silent. So TS should try find in his heart to forgive and accept this.

Also agree this thread should close already. No need to prolong anymore. Hopefully seller learn his lesson.

Seller was willing to settle after being bashed kaw kaw in this thread. He was "langsi" like hell at the early stages, and although I never dealt with him I also feel seller was so "action" one. And seller still posted long winded response after TS confirm that GC got new one from distributor. Hopefully seller don't waste time and come into this thread. Those who follow still remember your infamous reply to TS.

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Added on November 4, 2011, 3:30 pmThis post has been edited by mfitri77: Nov 4 2011, 03:30 PM

Its ok if some of u thinks i m still "spanking" him after he so call apologize. after he apologize he then decide to tell me that he is not wrong. (if anyone of u are saying i have a bad attitude prob i suggest u read the whole thing, if u dont want to since its too long then i suppose u do not have to write to call me names) for example still standing firm on saying that i didnt want to bring my pc for him to check when in the first place it was him who didnt want to and advise me to bring it to another computer repair shop. this is not only one of his way to show his "remorse".

yes u have the right to your opinions and if u think mod should close then its ur vote. for me matter aint done yet as i said i will see this thru. Meaning right now i only have the words from buildtech that it was in working condition. I have email them to send me a copy of sapphire's finding after checking my gc so i can paste here. till then to me its not close.

seriously he didnt give me any solutions. if he did please point it out. solution was found when a forumer gave me the contact to 2 sapphire distributors and i went there myself to get the swap. even checking of the pc he didnt want to do, i was the one that sent the pc for the checking. and telling me he offered me money to compensate the prob after being bash here in the thread is good? and later change it to a dare by saying he will give me rm100 if the gc was found faulty. u seriously think thats from a good seller? Well those who thinks that ZW offered me money and thats a solution, so thats how u r going to treat all your potential customer right? offer them money if things go wrong and only do that after its made known public.

well then good luck to u and ur biz. i will remember not to get stuff from you then. I would have quietly stop writing anyway when i got my card if u notice. but when he started writing about how right he was and how much he "help" me to get my card swap it does show me how sorry he was. i can suppose everyone would forgive because everyone make mistakes but it is only forgiven if they show some remorse over their mistake and has he shown any real remorse?

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Added on November 4, 2011, 10:05 pmseriously mfitri. not even angry with him being lansi. but mostly is his way of trying to twist the words and then get ppl to see that he is right. especially those who didnt read much or didnt follow the thread here. Yes then can call me lousy buyer and terrible attitude not even angry with them because it only shows how shallow they are by saying that and not even having any facts to show that.

dinwaja, i dont think i would like to close it as state with reasons on my post before this. since he apologize then said he is not wrong shows me that he thinks that he is off the hook just cause buildtech said that sapphire has pronounce the gc in working condtion (without the report). and in the end means he is not even sorry. so i dont think so bro besides its serves as a warning for ppl and potential seller who thinks they can get away by treating customers that way. dont dare ur customer and think they will back off. if i can have my way i would have pursue this legally (i have already talk to a lawyer about this). but sadly since i got a gc swap it cannot be done.

svage98 if someone wrongs u. tried his best to put the blame on u. then said sorry and later protest his innocent and again tries to blame u, would u forgive him? do u think he learned his lesson? i dont know bro but again like i said i would have just update u guys on the gc like i said (even i told u guys myself that buildtech told me sapphire said nothing was wrong with my gc as i promise to give u guys info on it) and accepted his apology which u can see easily what i wrote after he apologized. yet sadly he showed no remorse

This post has been edited by vlwl17: Nov 4 2011, 10:08 PM

..GOOD LESSON TO LEARN FOR ALL OF US..BUYERS OR SELLERS...

TS...i'm not against u. i really understand ur intention to let potential buyers to be aware of this kind of case,maybe if it was me,i'll be like u for sure... and i said "if any" means if ZW apology to u.if not,it's up to u. i also apology for my statement "dun be like a kid"...hope ur replacement gc serve u better than ur previous.

I have no hard feeling bout your post. Merely pointing certain things u might have miss coz there's a lot to read. U apologize n I accept even bfore it u wrote I was not angry bout. I'm just annoyed at being point out as the fault maker by some who doesn't understand or know the situation.
Anyway all good here me n u. Happy hols on Monday.

TQ TS..

will keep my friends and i avoid this kind of shop...BLACKLISTED Added...fullstop

what the point u keep bumping the thread?? CW already apology and learn the lesson rite? try to be kindness, or else we will feel u same as CW = you.

i do believe CW very sorry to you about the case, and u gave him a good learning class

oh ya, i dunno who is CW but im a seller also... i know that feeling. cheers bro... let urself n him a rest n peace?

i sure he wont make a same mistake again lo

This post has been edited by kelvin_hata: Nov 11 2011, 11:42 AM

i got nothing against u. so im wondering why are u so angry when i bump this?

btw if u really dont know who is "CW" why do u call him that? his nick here is Zhen Wei and for short we use ZW not CW, unless u know him well (bc i think his real name is Choo Chen Wei) or know him at all, it would have been a easily forgiveable mistake on calling him CW instead ZW.

I believe too that u believe that ZW has learned from his mistake. but if u read his most recent post it (which i think u didnt) doesnt show any remorse. so believing is good but action still speaks louder than words.

thanks tho for ur threat there. have a good day too.

This post has been edited by vlwl17: Nov 11 2011, 01:25 PM

Case already solved just closed it or let it be. No point for keep arguing and bump.

You already done what you need to do and spread out the warning. Give people a chance to continue and improve his bussiness services.

cool down bro. kelvin hata is senior member here at forum. many ppl here know my true name not ZW.

btw, vlwl not bump the thread, he is just leave the last msg at thread, only kazibul bump up the thread.

Actually, I wanted to post something like just close the thread since everything is settled but I kept myself from doing it. The person he's aiming for is you, and not your company, so for me, even if I don't know you, he's still making both you and your company look bad one way or another.

TS, the dispute is settled & if you just want to take your shot at ZW, do it in a way that you won't drag the whole boat down together with him. Think over it. Cheers.

This post has been edited by digitalz: Nov 11 2011, 03:15 PM

The thread can remain but it needs to be cleaned off the not related post and personal attacks.

Just leave those relevant as a guideline of how things can be done when seller dont provide after sale services. And also a guideline how can buyers beware while selecting their sellers and their nature of business.

Zw, I did bump the thread. I will be honest with u as I have always did since the day I bought stuff from u. Yes he mayb a senior member, even a nub like me knows and if he knows ur real name (which I don't bc I'm only guessing by looking at the clues) then he knows u hence his msg is impartial and to some extend he lied.

No worries I'm not even angry with u but I'm keeping my word that's all. No hostile feeling even toward Kevin when he threatens me.

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Added on November 11, 2011, 3:41 pmNow this is an example of an impartial thread. No threats at all. N his own honest opinion which he didn't take sides.
Well nightmare I would have done it but the reason I bump it is for ppl to be warn. Notice that I have not even said anything till now. I would have given him the chance if he admits to his mistakes sincerely n not keep saying he did everything to help me bc he didn't. In fact he lost nothing by just sending d gc once to the distro. That's all, but my prob was after that. Then I found out he also had another complain about his customer service. So with the proof that he has not learn anything from his previous case (hence that's y my case appeared) I decided that I should keep this thread up as long to warn others.

I hope I did explain myself well enough. Thanks for ur input

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Added on November 11, 2011, 3:52 pmDigitalz in someways I suppose u r correct. My beef is with
Zw, but like I said before it does looks like Zw is the owner or man charge of idealtech. Sadly idealtech ends up as collateral dmg. Not my intention tho. To take cheap shots at him or any shot at all? Doubt so, what ever I say here I try to say with facts and the truth as I have nothing to hide. I was angry at first in the first few post but now it'd all biz. I don't invite friends or ppl I know to come support me in here. Infact I don't know anyone here. But I did make a few new "friends". I would try my best to keep idealtech out but they seem to go hand in hand

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Added on November 11, 2011, 4:49 pmBro mugenz im fine with that too. as always excellent idea.

There are too many personal atks. by the sense its such as "what the point u keep bumping the thread?? CW already apology and learn the lesson rite? try to be kindness, or else we will feel u same as CW = you. " or "the case already settled right? so be calm. no need to drag more la... dun be like a kid" or even ZW infamous saying which i have as my sign. Things like " will keep my friends and i avoid this kind of shop...BLACKLISTED Added...fullstop" and etc arent personal atks on ZW there are the post-ers opinion just incase some out there cannot see the diff between personal atks and opinions.
if he really wants a 2nd or 3rd or whatever number chance (because i think he did piss alot of ppl with this kinda of attitude and hence alot of prob appear due to that but sadly not all recorded) he should apologize and like what youliang and eddy said.. dont say buts and try to defend urself on remarks others that have already posted on their opinions and not even doing any personal atks.
Like i say he doesnt think that he was wrong at all for a second on anything in here. he twist and lied on several occasion to make himself correct if u manage to read the post from the beginning. So i doubt he will ever sincerely apologize. But if he did i would be ready to forgive him tho i would like to have this thread remain so others can have a yardstick on how one should treat customers and sellers. both are humans and both needs to be dealt with ethical mannerism. all these personal atks and calling of names only shows the maturity for the offender.
I havent even put any post on how i was treated by ZW on his selling threads tho goldfries said that we can insert feedbacks there. i pm goldfries about this and have yet to get an answer if i could even if its a negative one. even after the way he treated me im still being very nice to him. wasnt even the one that started calling names in the first place. And yet there are others who things im being very nasty to him? i wonder why?

but again great idea bro mugenz

This post has been edited by vlwl17: Nov 11 2011, 04:57 PM

hmm... if u wan say me angry den angry lo... wat can i do... i kepo to tell you dun to get mad on this thing edi...

y i call him CW ar... i read from 1st page until last page... i saw ppl write CW... den i ikut lo...

mb... mb one day... u be a boss, den u do some mistake... den u will know that feeling too.

serious... i dunno about him... mb i buy few time kaspersky code from him thru lelong.com gua... i also dunno how he look like.

giv chance to ppl...which means giv chance to urself too.

tak apa la.. i should not disturb you, mb u keep bump and tell everyone idealtech lousy service, lousy boss bla bla bla can make you day. as long as you happy.

look back to wat i post before... i still got help you pm apis to control the flame to help you settle down thing... now think back i should't to help anything for this...

good luck in your future. learn to grow.. dun learn to be kid. forgiveness is a way to treat ourself better life.

sorry if i against u.

cw, sorry for unable to help you but create more misunderstanding.

agree . every one make mistake . i dont see any points you want keep this thread .

like ts say this thread continuce is to warn and alert other member
or u want to continuce to punish idealtech and spoil the idealtech name ?
I am not sure .

and idealtech already been taken damage form this thread . I think is fair enough . Starting a biz is not easy .
Dont punish pepople for only the single mistake he make instead forgive him . No one is perfect .

Give other people of chance to improve mean also give yourself a chance .

bro if u r not happy about this say so dont say "hmm... if u wan say me angry den angry lo... wat can i do... i kepo to tell you dun to get mad on this thing edi... " because when i read this thread does seems that u r. just for ur information what makes u think im not a boss? and just because u r boss u dont have to admit mistake, is that what u say? i dont mind u kepo at all but if u are trying to change the fact then it is something that doesnt make me happy. Btw pls paste from the 1st page of any thread where anyone use CW to refer to zhen wei. because i just spend 15min looking thru the whole thread and dont find any till now. So please help me (this kid that need to grow up like u said) to see his mistake? where is the usage of CW?
Oh if u r not sorry please do not say it and try to direct all the mistake to the other when the mistake is clearly urs. Just for your information, even as a kid i know that forgiveness a good trait but would u want to forgive someone who wronged u, blamed u and then called u names and in the end didnt even apologized? or sincerely do it at all. Think about it kelvin the mature man. if u can truthfully answer this urself then u know whats really going on.

again thanks you for ur comments if theres any that is truthful

hem hem.... ur email will be deleted.. jkjk


maybe kav key, i also think ur nickname so familiar.
lelong side i use my ID cwchoo85, so most of the forumers here will know my name is Chenwei not zhenwei. even they call phone also mention my nickname.
I think this not need to be the issue make TS and kelvin argue here right ?


I think all of u have to cool down la. it is ok, as mention above, damage already made. want to close the thread is depends TS and also moderator/admin.

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Nov 11 2011, 06:07 PM

ok bro lets start from a equal footage. first of all if u think im just a consumer then u r quite wrong. when i say i agree with u that starting a biz is not easy is just not hear say or agreeing with u bc I have my experience that field too. I agree with u that i shouldnt punish ppl for a single mistake. and again my question to u nagflar is did he even see this as a mistake? and if its only one mistake how come is there another regarding customer service from youliang and his friend. bare in mind this is the only ones i found and recorded. So am i doing this to punish him for "one" mistake? u tell me, of course apart from him being remorse and his acceptance on his mistake.

Am i doing this to punish idealtech and spoiled its name? well lets start from the beginning. he suggested that i should put this on the dispute thread. wasnt me that call ppl names and then say that this dispute will not affect the biz. if u did read the earlier post or even the post that i wrote on digitalz post that my beef is with ZW not idealtech. So the answer is no. but unfortunately IT happens to be ZW biz which im only guessing so his actions directly contributed to that bad name. Blaming me for it, is that correct now u tell me?

yes i would always like to improve myself. even when im old. learning has no ending. And as i said it a thousand times i would forgive ZW if he had apologize sincerely and accept his mistake. Thread should be here to warn ppl. Nvr once in my post here did i say dont buy from ZW or IT because they are bad in their customer service. I said I give u the situation u read u know then u decided whether u want to buy or not. I even put in bold that ZW didnt intentionally sell me a defect product. Even went further to say i bought more than the gc and the other stuff i bought was fine.

So now nagflar, Im still trying to be nasty towards ZW? im still trying to punish IT? when all i have said was clear from the time i wrote this.

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Added on November 11, 2011, 6:22 pmwell ok then ZW. if u said its that way im fine with it. So y lie and say that there was someone that use CW and thats y he used it. Doesnt it reminds u of someone who use to twist the words around? I dont need to argue about this ZW because its all recorded in here. Nor am i angry with him. im unhappy yes because he lied to try to get others think the other way but not angry. Hence i wrote here to correct the wrong.

Dmg done yes but for the thousand times the ball is at ur court. u wanna do damage control its up to u. u know what u need to do

This post has been edited by vlwl17: Nov 11 2011, 06:22 PM