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d@odao
post May 20 2012, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 20 2012, 06:07 PM)
thanks boss!
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one more thing...
how to activate the digital leveling guide on the screen?
somehow i lost it...
hahahaha...
help please!


Added on May 20, 2012, 6:08 pm

i stopped looking at NEX bcoz of their huge @$$ lenses!
defeats the purpose of a small body....
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but this is just my opinion of coz...
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Digital leveling, press info button until can see the level bar lor...
If not activated, then menu - gear icon - choose D menu - info settings - lv info - level gauge
For EVF, menu - gear icon - choose J menu - info setting - level gauge
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post May 20 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 20 2012, 06:07 PM)
thanks boss!
notworthy.gif

one more thing...
how to activate the digital leveling guide on the screen?
somehow i lost it...
hahahaha...
help please!


Added on May 20, 2012, 6:08 pm

i stopped looking at NEX bcoz of their huge @$$ lenses!
defeats the purpose of a small body....
rclxub.gif
but this is just my opinion of coz...
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i don't mind huge lens for huge sensor though,they serve a purpose for being huge,not only from technological standpoint(lower noise,better dynamic range bla bla) but the photographic effect(shallower depth of field)which cannot effectively deflate by technological advancement,being mirrorless they already reduce to only what essential on the camera.another thing is the reluctance of m4/3 manufacturer to releasing lens for professional crowd,they seems to always place priority in form over factor,that worries me in joining m4/3


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post May 20 2012, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(d@odao @ May 20 2012, 06:21 PM)
Digital leveling, press info button until can see the level bar lor...
If not activated, then menu - gear icon - choose D menu - info settings - lv info - level gauge
For EVF, menu - gear icon - choose J menu - info setting - level gauge
hmm.gif
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thanks again sifu!
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post May 20 2012, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(d@odao @ May 20 2012, 05:32 PM)
Actually, u can... Me using that feature on the omd...
Under menu - spana icon - rec/view, set auto...
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Thanks daodao.

Auto "play" is almost what I want but u still need to look into the EVF after taking the shot a split second before u can hv it previewed on te LCD.

If u take the shot n then immediately move away to c the LCD like in DSLR, it doesn't show the preview. :/ Maybe a firmware update will help.
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QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 05:24 PM)
OK, just to share a small "disadvantage"of the OMD so that maybe some sifus here can help sort it out. =)

When I used my Nikon D90 the last time, my habit was to use the VF to compose the shot, take it then immediately look at the LCD for the preview. I dont have to press the play button as the image will display for a second or two on it.

For the OMD, the preview will be shown in the EVF itself but not on the LCD or vise versa. Is there a way to use the EVF to compose and shoot and have the preview displayed on the LCD immediately after? This means, I dont hv to press the "play"button.
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Im not sure how ur EM5 settings are but here's mine.

1) You can only preview the photo you just took on the rear screen if you permanently ON the rear display or set it to AUTO (see no. 3). if ure taking photos through the EVF with the rear screen permanently off. the preview will only shows on the EVF. Play around with this settings by pressing the small button on the right side of the EVF.

2) In SETUP MENU (the one with the wrench symbol). I set REC VIEW to AUTO. This will preview the photo ure taking until u press the shutter again to take next photos.

3) In BUILT-IN EVF menu. I set EVF AUTO SWITCH to ON. I can still have my OLED screen on and automatically switch on the EVF (switch off the OLED screen) if im looking through the EVF.
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post May 20 2012, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ May 20 2012, 08:41 PM)
Im not sure how ur EM5 settings are but here's mine.

1) You can only preview the photo you just took on the rear screen if you permanently ON the rear display or set it to AUTO (see no. 3). if ure taking photos through the EVF with the rear screen permanently off. the preview will only shows on the EVF. Play around with this settings by pressing the small button on the right side of the EVF.

2) In SETUP MENU (the one with the wrench symbol). I set REC VIEW to AUTO. This will preview the photo ure taking until u press the shutter again to take next photos.

3) In BUILT-IN EVF menu. I set EVF AUTO SWITCH to ON. I can still have my OLED screen on and automatically switch on the EVF (switch off the OLED screen) if im looking through the EVF.
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I believe we r pretty much at the same page here but even with Rec View at Auto, if u take a shot n then immediately look at the OLED like how most of us do with a DSLR, the Auto doesn't pick that up and the OLED simply becomes Live View.

Only if u hold on at the EVF a second longer will looking at the OLED generate a preview.

It's actually a small matter n I've somewhat gotten use to viewing the preview via EVF to save battery so it doesn't really bug me that much.
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post May 20 2012, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 08:36 PM)
Thanks daodao.

Auto "play" is almost what I want but u still need to look into the EVF after taking the shot a split second before u can hv it previewed on te LCD.

If u take the shot n then immediately move away to c the LCD like in DSLR, it doesn't show the preview. :/ Maybe a firmware update will help.
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U r right too... Sometime it just do not want to display as u said...
So, I put in abit habit to slower my motion to see the LCD... Hahaha...
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post May 20 2012, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 20 2012, 06:32 PM)
i don't mind huge lens for huge sensor though,they serve a purpose for being huge,not only from technological standpoint(lower noise,better dynamic range bla bla) but the photographic effect(shallower depth of field)which cannot effectively deflate by technological advancement,being mirrorless they already reduce to only what essential on the camera.another thing is the reluctance of m4/3 manufacturer to releasing lens for professional crowd,they seems to always place priority in form over factor,that worries me in joining m4/3
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As being debated in many online community, in the image quality, the difference between APC's and 4/3 sensor are now negligible. As commented by DPReview:

"The E-M5 can't completely overcome the light capture disadvantage brought by its smaller sensor, compared to APS-C, but it reduces it to the point that it's irrelevant for almost all practical purposes. At which point we think its size advantage, in terms of both body and lenses, will outweigh that difference for most uses. If you're absolutely unwilling to compromise on image quality then spending twice the money and moving up to the bulk of full-frame is the only way of gaining a significant step up from the E-M5."

I disagree on your point on the lens aspect, I would say that m4/3 format has the most number of lenses and I don't believe on the category of the professional lenses as even kit lenses can be used by pros.

Speaking of focal length, here are great line of lenses, this is still incomplete considering lenses from 3rd party.
Prime: 12mm f2.0, 20mm f1.7, 45mm f1.8, 45mm f2.8 Macro, 25mm f0.95, upcoming 75mm f1.8, 60mm f2.8 macro weather-sealed.
Zoom: 7-14mm f4.0, 9-18mm f3.5-5.6, 12-50mm OM-D kit lens and the upcoming 14-35mm f2.8 from Panasonic

Here's the complete line of lenses for m4/3

m4/3 Lens Lineup

Sony and other system don't even reach half of what m4/3 have that are specifically designed for mirrorless.


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:14 pm
QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 05:24 PM)
OK, just to share a small "disadvantage"of the OMD so that maybe some sifus here can help sort it out. =)

When I used my Nikon D90 the last time, my habit was to use the VF to compose the shot, take it then immediately look at the LCD for the preview. I dont have to press the play button as the image will display for a second or two on it.

For the OMD, the preview will be shown in the EVF itself but not on the LCD or vise versa. Is there a way to use the EVF to compose and shoot and have the preview displayed on the LCD immediately after? This means, I dont hv to press the "play"button.
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You can set-up your OM-D to behave like your D90 wherein after the shot, you can review your shot on the rear screen, no need to press the "Play".
Here's the set-up:
1. Your EVF should be in auto mode. To set, long press the EVF button on the right side of the viewfinder, then set to ON
2. Set your record view time. The default is 0.5 secs, that's why you didn't notice it, don't know why they defaulted it that way. I set mine to 3 seconds, so after the shot, it will be displayed for 3 seconds. You can set to up to 20secs, to immediately go back to shooting mode, just half-press the shutter
To set it, press Menu, go to Settings (wrench icon), select Record View.


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:51 pm
QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 08:36 PM)
Thanks daodao.

Auto "play" is almost what I want but u still need to look into the EVF after taking the shot a split second before u can hv it previewed on te LCD.

If u take the shot n then immediately move away to c the LCD like in DSLR, it doesn't show the preview. :/ Maybe a firmware update will help.
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You can. Just set the Review Display to longer time, mine is 3 seconds.
The default is 0.5 seconds that's why you didn't notice it.


This post has been edited by mcgyver: May 20 2012, 09:51 PM
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Just met Sadaniel and get to hold OM5 awhile. OMG I LOVE THE SCREEN !
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post May 21 2012, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(mcgyver @ May 20 2012, 08:54 PM)
As being debated in many online community, in the image quality, the difference between APC's and 4/3 sensor are now negligible. As commented by DPReview:

"The E-M5 can't completely overcome the light capture disadvantage brought by its smaller sensor, compared to APS-C, but it reduces it to the point that it's irrelevant for almost all practical purposes. At which point we think its size advantage, in terms of both body and lenses, will outweigh that difference for most uses. If you're absolutely unwilling to compromise on image quality then spending twice the money and moving up to the bulk of full-frame is the only way of gaining a significant step up from the E-M5."

I disagree on your point on the lens aspect, I would say that m4/3 format has the most number of lenses and I don't believe on the category of the professional lenses as even kit lenses can be used by pros.

Speaking of focal length, here are great line of lenses, this is still incomplete considering lenses from 3rd party.
Prime: 12mm f2.0, 20mm f1.7, 45mm f1.8, 45mm f2.8 Macro, 25mm f0.95, upcoming 75mm f1.8, 60mm f2.8 macro weather-sealed.
Zoom: 7-14mm f4.0, 9-18mm f3.5-5.6, 12-50mm OM-D kit lens and the upcoming 14-35mm f2.8 from Panasonic

Here's the complete line of lenses for m4/3

m4/3 Lens Lineup

Sony and other system don't even reach half of what m4/3 have that are specifically designed for mirrorless.


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:14 pm

i think u have to read my post twice or more before u bring up your point
image quality,yeah 1 day 4/3 size sensor can be as noise free and as clear as full frame but thats not my concern as i don't pixel peep,my point is that they can't have the same subject isolation power as do larger sensor,that is not something technology can overcome because it is pure physic
for instance,i find m4/3 maximum bokeh ability with their kit lens at 42mm f5.6 is a bit lacking,even less so or just comparable to my xz-1 at 112mm f2.5,but i find adequate separating power with aps-c camera with their kit lens at 55mm f5.6, this means that i might be able to compose acceptable portrait shot with aps-c kit lens at a pinch

yes i know m4/3 consortium has create more lens than other mirrorless,it doesn't take a gadget nerd to know that,but i not contented with their any of their offering just yet,even widest aperture ie the 45mm f1.8 has just the same isolating power as aps-c sensor 50mm f3.2,and the upcoming 75mm f1.8 will be too long for my liking,150mm equiv dude.....and from the manufacturer statement they will always consider form over factor,meaning it will take a long time for them (if ever)to release lens with aperture greater than f1.8 which will compensate the sensor size disadvantage.

but i still wish to own the om-d because i think it looks great,the jpeg engine is fantastic (i don't shoot raw to pixel peep),and if anybody can show me that 45mm f1.8 is adequate to create lovely portrait,i might still gravitate towards om-d,thats the real point i'm posting here

This post has been edited by Valentino46: May 21 2012, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 21 2012, 01:15 AM)
i think u have to read my post twice or more before u bring up your point
image quality,yeah 1 day 4/3 size sensor can be as noise free and as clear as full frame but thats not my concern as i don't pixel peep,my point is that they can't have the same subject isolation power as do larger sensor,that is not something technology can overcome because it is pure physic
for instance,i find m4/3 maximum bokeh ability with their kit lens at 42mm f5.6 is a bit lacking,even less so or just comparable to my xz-1 at 112mm f2.5,but i find adequate separating power with aps-c camera with their kit lens at 55mm f5.6, this means that i might be able to compose acceptable portrait shot with aps-c kit lens at a pinch

yes i know m4/3 consortium has create more lens than other mirrorless,it doesn't take a gadget nerd to know that,but i not contented with their any of their offering just yet,even widest aperture ie the 45mm f1.8 has just the same isolating power as aps-c sensor 50mm f3.2,and the upcoming 75mm f1.8 will be too long for my liking,150mm equiv dude.....and from the manufacturer statement they will always consider form over factor,meaning it will take a long time for them (if ever)to release lens with aperture greater than f1.8 which will compensate the sensor size disadvantage.

but i still wish to own the om-d because i think it looks great,the jpeg engine is fantastic (i don't shoot raw to pixel peep),and if anybody can show me that 45mm f1.8 is adequate to create lovely portrait,i might still gravitate towards om-d,thats the real point i'm posting here
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Pic sample with 45 1.8...
i'd say there are not bad considering the asking price...


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another sample...
definitely getting this lense soon....

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post May 21 2012, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 21 2012, 01:15 AM)
but i still wish to own the om-d because i think it looks great,the jpeg engine is fantastic (i don't shoot raw to pixel peep),and if anybody can show me that 45mm f1.8 is adequate to create lovely portrait,i might still gravitate towards om-d,thats the real point i'm posting here
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See sample below just to demonstrate the bokeh capability of the 45mm taken with Olympus E-P2 using 45mm at f1.8, ISO200, 1/500 shutter speed.
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Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8!!

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QUOTE(mcgyver @ May 21 2012, 07:04 AM)
See sample below just to demonstrate the bokeh capability of the 45mm taken with Olympus E-P2 using 45mm at f1.8, ISO200, 1/500 shutter speed.
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Nice.
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do u guys need to worry bout "dust" if its mirrorless
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QUOTE(jloi @ May 21 2012, 08:08 AM)
drool.gif how much would it be?
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QUOTE(67zai @ May 21 2012, 08:36 AM)
drool.gif how much would it be?
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From the premium design, definitely premium priced. Expect to be above RM3k


Added on May 21, 2012, 8:42 am
QUOTE(67zai @ May 20 2012, 11:20 PM)
Just met Sadaniel and get to hold OM5 awhile. OMG I LOVE THE SCREEN !
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Hey thanks for coming over. The lens is a nice addition to my collection even though its just a kit lens but great nonetheless.

This post has been edited by sadaniel: May 21 2012, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE(chienx @ May 20 2012, 04:58 PM)
Thanks nism!
Just got a epl3 .these two day try to play around and ad bout photography. Totally newbie.
I only have the 14-42lense. If wan to take insect etc.. The lense can do the job well or I need to get other lense?the 40-150 mm lense mainly is for wat?


Added on May 20, 2012, 5:00 pmRain drop photo, wat setting or lense we need for a clear drop picture?
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with the 14-42mm lense, you cant really take small insect picture very close. It has a minimal focusing distance, for your case 0.25m (at 14-19mm of focal length) / 0.3m (except 20-42mm of focal length) is the closest your lense can focus on. sorry if its too technical but its not hard actually, means if you hold your cam closer than the 0.25m, your cam not able to focus. so you can try this action by shooting a small object first, treating it as an insect with same size. and see if you are satisfied with the range. you can always crop the picture if you dont mind compromising the whole picture quality just to publish at web. If you mind, you got no choice but to get a pure macro lense smile.gif

the 40-150mm lense is mainly for zooming far, its not practical in a tight space, very hard to compose a picture. this lens is good if you were to take motorsports, animals far ahead like birds, or even portrait to get a decent bokeh (background blur) but your subject must be standing a bit far from you smile.gif

rain drop, you can take with any lense. its about setting your camera. for a starting, i recommend you set your shutter speed to as high as possible to freeze the rain drop. of cos it must not be too high depending on the available light, else your picture will be dark. try and you will learn smile.gif

QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 21 2012, 01:15 AM)
i think u have to read my post twice or more before u bring up your point
image quality,yeah 1 day 4/3 size sensor can be as noise free and as clear as full frame but thats not my concern as i don't pixel peep,my point is that they can't have the same subject isolation power as do larger sensor,that is not something technology can overcome because it is pure physic
for instance,i find m4/3 maximum bokeh ability with their kit lens at 42mm f5.6 is a bit lacking,even less so or just comparable to my xz-1 at 112mm f2.5,but i find adequate separating power with aps-c camera with their kit lens at 55mm f5.6, this means that i might be able to compose acceptable portrait shot with aps-c kit lens at a pinch

yes i know m4/3 consortium has create more lens than other mirrorless,it doesn't take a gadget nerd to know that,but i not contented with their any of their offering just yet,even widest aperture ie the 45mm f1.8 has just the same isolating power as aps-c sensor 50mm f3.2,and the upcoming 75mm f1.8 will be too long for my liking,150mm equiv dude.....and from the manufacturer statement they will always consider form over factor,meaning it will take a long time for them (if ever)to release lens with aperture greater than f1.8 which will compensate the sensor size disadvantage.

but i still wish to own the om-d because i think it looks great,the jpeg engine is fantastic (i don't shoot raw to pixel peep),and if anybody can show me that 45mm f1.8 is adequate to create lovely portrait,i might still gravitate towards om-d,thats the real point i'm posting here
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there is still another option, the Leica 25mm f1.4 the bokeh is lovely. Even my prof photographer friend give it a high rating.
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QUOTE(67zai @ May 21 2012, 08:36 AM)
drool.gif how much would it be?
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estimated price 1200 USD...so reach here should be RM3699-3999 sweat.gif

Not official launch yet anyway..will stay tune today news.

Stillw aiting for Olympus 75mm f1.8 and rumors new four third system


Added on May 21, 2012, 10:01 amIt is so sexy when mount on OMD EM5 wub.gif

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oh my gosh.... so exp as expected sad.gif
anyway its the first constant aperture zoom for m43! proud if it ! hehe

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