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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V4, Pana & Oly mirrorless system camera!

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mcgyver
post Apr 6 2012, 12:02 PM

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Anyone knows if E-M5 is already here in Malaysia? I inquired with some shops here in Penang and says tentative arrival is end of April? It's already available in nearby countries such as in HK and Phil.

My friend is an Oly dealer in Philippines which got his stock last March 31, though all black. Stock of silver will be arriving Sat next week April 14, price is very competitive, around 4.1k for the kit of 12-50, might just get mine there.
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post Apr 21 2012, 08:48 PM

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Manage to see and hold the black unit just today. Black is beautiful, but I like the classic look of the silver. But they told me stock will arrive on May 15? Can anybody confirm the same info?
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post May 10 2012, 06:59 PM

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Silver has arrived, can somebody give us your impression on the paint? Is it just a matte silver paint or a chrome same with E-P3?

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post May 10 2012, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ May 10 2012, 07:25 PM)
And there are so little people talk about this.

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And that's because majority of the people are enjoying the camera rather than bother all those tiny little ergonomics issues you just mentioned and maybe those issues were not really a big issues after all.

If the camera is really good, it will talk by itself, if it's bad, no matter how good the publicity, it will still be bad.

You're right, as long as we enjoy the tools we're using, I don't care to what other people are saying. No product is perfect that will suit everyone's needs. It's just a tool, at the end of the day, it's still the capability of the user that matters most.
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post May 16 2012, 08:49 AM

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The wait is over, after months of waiting for the silver and seeing it in actual, I'm not impressed on the silver finishing. All the while I thought that the silver finish would look like the old OM's or Leica M9 finish or at least same as Fuji X100. I was thinking that the process could use anodized in silver but the actual looks just a painted silver metal paint. So after all the wait, i finally settled for black and it's worth the wait.
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post May 17 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ May 10 2012, 07:25 PM)
Esp when cameras are designed by engineers and not photographers. And the specification written by marketing people... The need to protect a line from another line...

You are not alone when it comes to ergonomics. I believe, if what happen next is same as the X100, people will soon wake up and start talking about the negative side (instead of just all the glowing review, "the best ever", "can't go wrong with it" that we have right now).

This camera is so good on paper in everything, tilt screen, touch screen, 9fps, high ISO performance... I really have high hope on it... but then you hold it... right strap triangle poke you... try to push the 2 rear buttons, half of the force is used to pushing the LCD screen... try to find how to turn on the Liveview shooting, then only found it somewhere near the hump and I wonder which finger should I use to press it... the LCD screen is so big that there are not much space left for the buttons. The buttons so cramped and when you navigate you end up pressing something else... if you shoot with left eye, the 2 dials will be somewhere in between your eyes, LOL and you have your fingers there controlling the dial... haha. And there are so little people talk about this.

If there is one thing I love about it, is the almost silent shutter which I hope my GX1 has... my GX1 shutter sound like something broken and need to be repaired. hahaha. But again, if you really enjoy your camera, no need to listen to what other people (like me) say. biggrin.gif This is the best part of photography today, we have lots of choices!
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Just want to follow-up on this after I bought the camera and hold it, I didn't find much of the ergonomics issues as mentioned on the above post. The only minor things that I see is that the play button is difficult to reach on first use as the LCD blocks it but if you get used with it, it won't be difficult at all as you find techniques how to do it the right way.

Maybe that's the reason why very few people talk about it.

For new to Olympus m43, I suggest read the manual first, read it again and again and again.

There's a good article guide at DPReview, it helps me a lot even I'm a previous owner of E-P2.
User Guide: Getting The Most Out of OM-D

What I did, at the end of the page, there's a Print View, click it, if you're using a Safari or Chrome, you can save it as PDF, copy it on your tablet or smartphone and you're good to go.

Enjoy shooting.

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post May 18 2012, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 18 2012, 08:43 AM)
guys would appreciate some feedback...

Black or Silver body?

I know it's personal preference...but i need some convincing...

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If you read some previous post, the silver finish is not really that nice.
I waited the silver for so long, sacrifices some good deals on the black one just to wait for the silver, and in the end, after seeing it in actual, I got the black one. The silver is not really that good looking as you seen on the photos. If the finish is somewhat same quality with the E-P3, I might take it. If you take a closer look, you can see that the paint is not in good quality compared to black. It looks like it's going to peel off easily, though it's just my personal observation. Maybe that could be the reason why silver has been delayed all over the world as they have some difficulty manufacturing it.

I suggest, you go to store, check both color and see for yourself.

Both color will complement with each other, even if you have black or silver lenses, it doesn't matter.

For me silver if you want:
-retro looking
-crowd drawer
-cool

Black for
-simplicity
-black is beautiful biggrin.gif
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post May 18 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 18 2012, 11:43 AM)
so many vote for black!
and i m so inclided for the black as well!
hahahaha...

would match my E-PL1...

next Q would be...

body only or kit?

please dun flame me...i need some help justifying my choice! notworthy.gif
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Go with the kit. This is to maximize the weather-sealing feature of the body. You also get the benefit of the 12mm wide angle, a macro, a power zooming for video, and an extra function button that can be assigned to various settings you like.

It's also cheaper rather than buying body only. If you don't want the lens, just sell it just below the normal price and you still get a good total cost per unit.

Body+kit = 3.9k
Body only = 3.1k
Lens price = 1.6k

Sell the lens for a minimum of 1.2k (this is still cheap), then you get a body price of 2.7k, or if you like the lens, then just keep it.


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post May 20 2012, 09:12 AM

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One of the first few shots from my OM-D.
Uploaded to iPad, converted to black & white using Photoforge 2.

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cheers


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:22 amwith OM 50mm macro

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post May 20 2012, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 20 2012, 06:32 PM)
i don't mind huge lens for huge sensor though,they serve a purpose for being huge,not only from technological standpoint(lower noise,better dynamic range bla bla) but the photographic effect(shallower depth of field)which cannot effectively deflate by technological advancement,being mirrorless they already reduce to only what essential on the camera.another thing is the reluctance of m4/3 manufacturer to releasing lens for professional crowd,they seems to always place priority in form over factor,that worries me in joining m4/3
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As being debated in many online community, in the image quality, the difference between APC's and 4/3 sensor are now negligible. As commented by DPReview:

"The E-M5 can't completely overcome the light capture disadvantage brought by its smaller sensor, compared to APS-C, but it reduces it to the point that it's irrelevant for almost all practical purposes. At which point we think its size advantage, in terms of both body and lenses, will outweigh that difference for most uses. If you're absolutely unwilling to compromise on image quality then spending twice the money and moving up to the bulk of full-frame is the only way of gaining a significant step up from the E-M5."

I disagree on your point on the lens aspect, I would say that m4/3 format has the most number of lenses and I don't believe on the category of the professional lenses as even kit lenses can be used by pros.

Speaking of focal length, here are great line of lenses, this is still incomplete considering lenses from 3rd party.
Prime: 12mm f2.0, 20mm f1.7, 45mm f1.8, 45mm f2.8 Macro, 25mm f0.95, upcoming 75mm f1.8, 60mm f2.8 macro weather-sealed.
Zoom: 7-14mm f4.0, 9-18mm f3.5-5.6, 12-50mm OM-D kit lens and the upcoming 14-35mm f2.8 from Panasonic

Here's the complete line of lenses for m4/3

m4/3 Lens Lineup

Sony and other system don't even reach half of what m4/3 have that are specifically designed for mirrorless.


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:14 pm
QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 05:24 PM)
OK, just to share a small "disadvantage"of the OMD so that maybe some sifus here can help sort it out. =)

When I used my Nikon D90 the last time, my habit was to use the VF to compose the shot, take it then immediately look at the LCD for the preview. I dont have to press the play button as the image will display for a second or two on it.

For the OMD, the preview will be shown in the EVF itself but not on the LCD or vise versa. Is there a way to use the EVF to compose and shoot and have the preview displayed on the LCD immediately after? This means, I dont hv to press the "play"button.
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You can set-up your OM-D to behave like your D90 wherein after the shot, you can review your shot on the rear screen, no need to press the "Play".
Here's the set-up:
1. Your EVF should be in auto mode. To set, long press the EVF button on the right side of the viewfinder, then set to ON
2. Set your record view time. The default is 0.5 secs, that's why you didn't notice it, don't know why they defaulted it that way. I set mine to 3 seconds, so after the shot, it will be displayed for 3 seconds. You can set to up to 20secs, to immediately go back to shooting mode, just half-press the shutter
To set it, press Menu, go to Settings (wrench icon), select Record View.


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:51 pm
QUOTE(sioe @ May 20 2012, 08:36 PM)
Thanks daodao.

Auto "play" is almost what I want but u still need to look into the EVF after taking the shot a split second before u can hv it previewed on te LCD.

If u take the shot n then immediately move away to c the LCD like in DSLR, it doesn't show the preview. :/ Maybe a firmware update will help.
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You can. Just set the Review Display to longer time, mine is 3 seconds.
The default is 0.5 seconds that's why you didn't notice it.


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post May 21 2012, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ May 21 2012, 01:15 AM)
but i still wish to own the om-d because i think it looks great,the jpeg engine is fantastic (i don't shoot raw to pixel peep),and if anybody can show me that 45mm f1.8 is adequate to create lovely portrait,i might still gravitate towards om-d,thats the real point i'm posting here
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See sample below just to demonstrate the bokeh capability of the 45mm taken with Olympus E-P2 using 45mm at f1.8, ISO200, 1/500 shutter speed.
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