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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 2 -1 Wolves : LS7 scored again

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post Sep 1 2011, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 1 2011, 12:03 PM)
meireles was 28 i believe...even though he was good, i think he didn't fit in with kenny's overall long term plan. even stewart downing at 26 was a bit iffy for kenny i believe. either way, i was worried merieles would get discontented because he didn't feature in the first two games (bar that super sub appearance).
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The age thing is a big factor i think. The club is currently geared into phasing out the older batch players to accommodate the youth project. We have bought players at the age that would complement the likes of Lucas and the upcoming Academy lads. I really liked Meireles but we have Adam now who imo is the better CM and younger too. So truth is, Meireles has become somewhat a luxury player and this doesn't bode well with FSG, considering they prefer to do things smartly and effectively.
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yeah....a bit sad Meireles leaving so soon........
but very happy "crazy" Bellamy's back.....
this guy has mellowed down unlike his younger days
when Captain G's fit and back.....our attacking options
looks very saliva's mouth watering !!
Downing looks like have alrdy settled down.....
just hoping Carroll can gel in faster so that we can be a match
even to Manu n Manc
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post Sep 1 2011, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Sep 1 2011, 12:29 PM)
i think KD already has a big name replacement for Raul..
and there's no need to wait for the transfer window..

heard this player can play a bit...led his club to CL glory few years back...took the team from jaw of defeat in the FA cup...
he's got some good rest and looks hungry..i am sure he's eager to play and  cant wait to be paired up with Adams, Lucas and provide services to people like Downing and Suarez...

so, heads up mate...
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To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again, when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.




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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:38 PM)
To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again,  when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.
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At first i didnt take what you wrote seriously.But at second thought,FSG do have the habit of selling star players at Boston Red Sox.

However,they helped red sox win the championship or whatever it is called within two years.
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post Sep 1 2011, 12:45 PM

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well, i do miss Raul...his tattoo and hairstyle and punkish ways..hahaha

but he did linked up quite well with Suarez in our last match...hopefully Stevie G will play that role...

at end of day, i think its a combination of many factors..the current management not being able to fulfill what the previous management promised and the possibility of linking up with AVB...
although i am not sure how much playing chances he'll be getting at Chelsea, unless AVB has secret plans to drop some current regulars and revamp the first -11 according to his own playing style..
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post Sep 1 2011, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:38 PM)
To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again,  when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.
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I dont know where you've been hiding but Arsenal became the next Liverpool after that 8-2. Not the other way round.
Our optimism is on the all time high now but one 'big' star that went to chelsea yesterday and all these optimism came crashing down. What Gives?

If a player wants transfer we'll give him one. We are no spurs keeping guys that obviously do not want to play for them.[U]

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Sep 1 2011, 12:48 PM
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post Sep 1 2011, 12:52 PM

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Honestly, if everyone still remember Benitez used to have squad rotation very often until all of the fans tak boleh tahan. I think under King Kenny, he won't dejavu that anymore. Look at the squad posted by our forumer in earlier thread, we have very consistant first eleven and that is very important. No doubt, some players get injured that's why we have subs for every position. As for M4, he will be a surplus and a waste to put him regularly on the bench.

Tactically, I have a feeling that King want to have very strong first eleven, and yet this year has no worry for us because we don't have to involve in CL.

Once we get back into first 4, I think we will start spending again to increase the squad depth, if not by that time, the youngster have pretty much experience to be rotated.

Remember, we want consistant first eleven.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:46 PM)
I dont know where you've been hiding but Arsenal became the next Liverpool after that 8-2. Not the other way round.
Our optimism is on the all time high now but one 'big' star that went to chelsea yesterday and all these optimism came crashing down. What Gives?

If a player wants transfer we'll give him one. We are no spurs keeping guys that obviously do not want to play for them.[U]
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I don't know exactly the point you are trying to bring to the table when you said Arsenal become like Liverpool after that 8-2 thrashing but I sure as hell know what I'm saying when I said

"We may become the next Arsenal"

as I was pointing to the fact that star players like Nasri and Cesc began to lose confidence at the club because the club wasn't spending their money wisely and investing on duds instead of proven quality players which eventually led to their departure.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Sep 1 2011, 12:54 PM
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post Sep 1 2011, 12:53 PM

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although meireles is good player, we have a very depth squad for CM...we have lucas, henderson, adam. gerad, & also spearing...don't worry guy....
but sold meireles & not get at least sturridge is very unwise decision hmm.gif
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:38 PM)
To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again,  when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.
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well, the first part of your post is true and something we need to learn to accept...
In the old days, even Rush left when Juve kept calling...Keegan left when continental football was offered ...
Only a handful stayed back...Dalglish (wonder if any Spanish or Italian teams ever came knocking), Barnes, ...even Gerrard was tempted more than once...

After the Torres lesson and also Alonso, Masca, player wanting to stay long with Liverpool will be a rarity... I wont be surprised if Suarez leaves us if he reaches his peak in another 2-3 years...such is football...


even C. Ronaldo and Fabregas left....it seems that in some ways, the pastures are greener in Spain or Italy...so i dont think this problem is limited to Liverpool...as of now, only Chelsea and Man City can splash the cash to match the wages....



as for buying British footballers at premium, i have to agree that it is risky...in fact Rooney and Rio are the only few examples of expensive British players worth every single cent...i am hoping Carrol will be one...

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Miereles wans out, so let him go, watever may be his reasons, He was good before and it doesnt mean tat he will be good in future. Look at Torres.

lets move forward, we hav a good winger in Bellamy and i would like to see the combo of Bellamy + Suarez + StevieG , and also the combo of Henderson + Downing + Adam , remember we also hav the defensive foursome of Enrique + Carra + Coates + Skrtel/Kelly

wat a beautiful setup ,

Thanks John Henry

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:52 PM)
I don't know exactly the point you are trying to bring to the table when you said Arsenal become like Liverpool after that 8-2 thrashing but I sure as hell know what I'm saying when I said

"We may become the next Arsenal"

as I was pointing to the fact that star players like Nasri and Cesc began to lose confidence at the club because the club wasn't spending their money wisely and investing on duds instead of proven players which eventually led to the departure of these players.
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Losing star players isnt the cause right here.
Im sayin we already had our darkest days already gone past us long before this happens.
I dont get star players losing confidence part. If you told me that a year ago then i would've agree. Torres went because he was frustrated with the management, Meireles went cause he couldnt get
a place in the team. To compare these two woth Nasri and Fabregas is totally redudant given they all left for different reasons!
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 1 2011, 12:55 PM)
Miereles wans out, so let him go, watever may be his reasons, He was good before and it doesnt mean tat he will be good in future. Look at Torres.

lets move forward, we hav a good winger in Bellamy and i would like to see the combo of Bellamy + Suarez + StevieG , and also the combo of Henderson + Downing + Adam , remember we also hav the defensive  foursome of Enrique + Carra + Coates + Skrtel/Kelly

wat a beautiful setup ,

Thanks John Henry

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he doesnt want to leave sad.gif
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post Sep 1 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:58 PM)
he doesnt want to leave  sad.gif
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He's the one who handed the transfer request lad..
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:58 PM)
he doesnt want to leave  sad.gif
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bro, he handed in a last minute transfer request, so he did want to leave. blush.gif


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post Sep 1 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Sep 1 2011, 05:35 AM)
Another Torres wannabe
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Nop i dont think so..
Meireles is a Portugese international but failed to hold up a first team place even when Gerrard it out..
Whats more left when Gerrard is back? Guess you guys know what will happen to the pecking order..
I agree with Raul by leaving! As good as he deserves a first team place, but with the C.Adam there, KK will surely pick Adam over Raul..

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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:58 PM)
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He hand in a Transfer Out request just like Torres and it was on the last day of the transfer window doh.gif
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post Sep 1 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:52 PM)
I don't know exactly the point you are trying to bring to the table when you said Arsenal become like Liverpool after that 8-2 thrashing but I sure as hell know what I'm saying when I said

"We may become the next Arsenal"

as I was pointing to the fact that star players like Nasri and Cesc began to lose confidence at the club because the club wasn't spending their money wisely and investing on duds instead of proven quality players which eventually led to their departure.
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Anyone having the talents and age of Cesc, coupled with his love for Barca will be crazy not to leave and rejoin Barca...
there's nothing Arsene could have done..Cesc loves the city, his roots..in fact, he recently revealed that he watches 98% of their matches....
and with the kind of football that Barca is playing and the way Cesc plays the game..its a transfer waiting to happen....

Nasri? seems he wants $ and wants to train with superstars week in and week out...not train with young teenagers...


Raul left us for very different reasons...
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post Sep 1 2011, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:38 PM)
To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again,  when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.
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Dude we have been through what Arsenal are going through and that was just last season. We have lost Torres, Masc and Alonso and survived. And Arsenal are just suffering for a bit, but like us they will get better. It's not so much about the players, sometimes it's about the man who manages the team. Arsenal wouldn't be in this position had they bought smartly and quickly. And we have seem to have done our homework with Henderson and Adam. I can truly say we will not miss Mereiles that much. Not like how we missed Alonso.

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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 1 2011, 01:02 PM)
He hand in a Transfer Out request just like Torres and it was on the last day of the transfer window doh.gif
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I think its a simple case of if everything works out for him, he would have stayed. But it didnt, so he had to make a decision...

Its not the same with Nasri or Cesc...or Modric....all whom blatantly declared their intention to leave for quite some time..

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