i wonder how asians compete with Aussies climbing the corporate ladder?

Slight disadvantage but depends on what role and the organisation culture. I don't think Asian able to move up to the highest ladder like CEO in Aussie company like Telstra,etc.

Anyway, one of my Malaysian friend is now a Senior Account Manager in ANZ in just 4 years after graduated

I would say big very disadvantage not slight.
This is why

When you reach managerial level, its about who you know more than what you know (you have people under you to help you with that). Its about communication, its about politics, its about being able to click with the right people to get the right results. Its less about you actually doing the work. Therefore its hard for asian to climb up the corporate ladder to be at a managerial level.

Any difference with manager positions in other countries? No.

You have to be good in management and critical thinking before can step up into manager position. Let's say, I am very good in technical stuff only in IT but that only can limit me up to senior position but if I am very good in technical + some management skills then manager position is not a hard thing to go for.

No difference with other countries except in places like Malaysia you understand the culture and have the appropriate network. So its easy for you to develop/expand networks

Wrong. Technical skills and management skills are 2 very different things. if you have good technical skills you can go far being a specialist. But if you have good technical skills + some management skills you are not going very far in management. You don't believe me go ask around. Like I say management especially senior management is not about you doing the job rather its about you knowing how to motivate your people to do the job while you come up with a broad base strategy.

Do that in Bumiputra company. Nuff said

Specialist? Yes. That you have to do a lot of research to reach that part. You won't go further than normal manager position if you only have management skill and not technical skill so that you can mingle around with your staff. Anyway, one of the manager task is to develop and give more opportunities to the staff so that they can climb up as well. There are many managers that are selfish and only protect their own bowl

If you're a bumi why not?

Yes you can. Alot of people are hired becuase they can manage people rather than do the work. You have to remember that as a manager, delegation is key. You are not expected to do the job but you are judged based on how others do their job. That is why not everyone can be a manager. That is also why most introvert technical people cannot be promoted to management level. And even if they do they fail miserably.

Take for example IT. A person may be very good at programming. But when you are a manager, esp senior level, you are not expected to write codes. You are expected to manage the programers. make them write codes. motivate them, come up with a broad base strategy. You are expected to convince finance for funding, you are suppose to talk to marketing to help them market the product, you have to convince senior management of the viability of the program you are trying to rollout. You have to get into endless meetings with stakeholders, manage their expectations, stroke their egos, etc. If you can't do that you will fail. Fail to get funding, fail to convice marketing, fail to convince the board to back your new project. Play your politics to get people to support the rollout of your new program. If you cannot manage the different stakeholders, you will also fail regardless of how well you can write codes.

That is why I say when you are good at a technical skill, you can be a specialist but not necessarily a good manager. Those are 2 different skillset alltogether. people assume when you are good at a technical skill you will be promoted to be a manager. Not always. You can be a good technical people but you may not be a good manager who requires more people skills than technical skills

This post has been edited by robertchoo: Jan 21 2014, 12:08 AM

You don't get the point of my first post , do ya? Needless to say more for the second part

hihihehe, u're just wasting ur time arguing with him.
just ignore him. remember last time when he's losing in argument? he'll blame someone else hack his account of giving false info .

No. You do not get my point. Re-read what I wrote. Its the same in msia as is in australia. If you think the whites are going to treat you as equals you're wrong

Ok, I re-read.

There, you did it!

And You still don't get what I'm saying?
Regardless of places the culture is the same I.e. its always about connections. Except the situation is different in malaysia because you know the people and the culture.

Are you for real? Do you ever know what you were talking about? Gosh, such a pain when you don't admit what you have wrote. I shall rest my case done here

Really? You fail to understand but yet calling people a pain for pointing out to you something that is painfully obvious? Good luck in your job search in sg. You'll need a whole lot of luck with that attitude

You never fail to entertain people. Just whatever

I've done all research and still in dilemma whether to get my skills assessed.. I'm an architect and to get assessed the fees is AU$1050! And my degree from UK is a bit different with Australian degree.. So dunno if I should take the risk sigh. If the assessment fails then that's it my hope and money gone ha

$1050? That's a lot just for skill assessment but it is up to you whether you want to take a risk for your life changing game or stick back to your reality.

have you spoke to a professional migration agent? I would suggest you do so. They should be higher qualified than most people on this forum and able to save some time running your own research which may not draw a conclusion.

If there's a chance and you really want it badly, take the $1,050 as an investment unless if the agent says you have no hope. Consultation with agents may be cheaper as well than the full $1,050. If you do it in Australia it costs about $50 - $100 per consultation.

Hi xsaintx, actually the skills assessment is for the assessing body to certify you as "you are what you said you are". If you are an architect and and has no doubts about it and is in the SOL (and its other requirements), I don't see why this is holding you back.

Besides, in the FAQ of ACS for skills assessment, in the event that your assessment fails, certain conditions will entitle me a full refund.

Just registered for IELTS. Exam in March. Gonna get skills assessed by CPA once got the results. Fee is only AUD450 and they have a office in Midvalley to do certification for certified true copies and migration assessment. Glad didn't went the agent route which will costs around the region of AUD3k. Thanks ryant3 on the idea of DIY

This post has been edited by teikwing: Jan 22 2014, 04:11 PM