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Nemesis1980
post Dec 3 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 2 2013, 05:41 PM)
Again i don't know what you mean by boring. I don't find living in a farm outskirts of major towns in australia as interesting at all. I've lived in a huge house where i have to drive 10 min just to buy groceries and its quiet and dark as hell at 8.00pm with barely anyone.

Btw  it is much easier to save the money need for downpayment on a sgd 300k hdb in sg as compared to aud 300k house in aussie due to lower taxes and lower cost of living
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That's y u're not suitable to have outdoor activities mate. u just like the air-conditioning environment and avoid sunlight person or like to stay indoor.
Suit yourself in the zoo (SG).
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post Dec 3 2013, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Dec 2 2013, 10:22 PM)
We have topics that discuss jobs in Singapore and Australia actively, so I take that these are the top 2 career destinations out of the country for Malaysia. In terms of Australia, as mentioned it is a hot spot, but what about New Zealand? We aren't getting much talks about New Zealand when it's relatively close to Australia as well. What makes Australia preferred than NZ?
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NZ at the world's butt. It's a tourist destination. If you haven't been there then you MUST plan a trip to go there.
For work? Nah...better stick to Oz or somewhere else.
NZ facing some serious problem there. Kiwis leaving the country to Oz. I must say the business activity or job vacancy is very low there. unless you start your own business but need some cash.
They have lots of natural disaster as well.
Construction has plenty of jobs there. I got an offer to NZ to rebuild the residential however just have to turn down coz it's very far away to travel from Perth to Christchurch.
The progress reconstruction very slow there, some ppl stayed in tent for almost 2 years not getting their keys yet.

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post Dec 3 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(immabee @ Dec 3 2013, 12:03 AM)
Hi Nemesis. Just wondering if you have any positive experiences during your time in Sydney. Did you move to Perth because of job opportunities? I was thinking if I eventually get a PR for my accounting career (still contemplating), Sydney is on my list at this stage.
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For accounting, there's huge surplus now jobless. The reason is too many ppl migrating in based on account profession.
You could try sydney or melbourne but there's huge competitive in those places coz everyone like to go there.
The reason i leave sydney is becoz i totally tired of city life. Sydney = KL.
Sydney would be cleaner of course. but it's a fast pace lifestyle. Perth is totally different world from eastern states. That's y it suits me.
Well, you have to ask yourself what sort of lifestyle you want. Or else you'll be miserable and complaining everyday smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 3 2013, 10:51 AM)
For accounting, there's huge surplus now jobless. The reason is too many ppl migrating in based on account profession.
You could try sydney or melbourne but there's huge competitive in those places coz everyone like to go there.
The reason i leave sydney is becoz i totally tired of city life. Sydney = KL.
Sydney would be cleaner of course. but it's a fast pace lifestyle. Perth is totally different world from eastern states. That's y it suits me.
Well, you have to ask yourself what sort of lifestyle you want. Or else you'll be miserable and complaining everyday smile.gif
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Is Melb as fast paced? I mean, I'm sure there's work outside of the city. I bet it's cheaper to have offices outside of the city center. Hell, I used to only go into the city in Melb to jalanx2 with friends.
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QUOTE(frega @ Dec 3 2013, 04:26 PM)
Is Melb as fast paced? I mean, I'm sure there's work outside of the city. I bet it's cheaper to have offices outside of the city center. Hell, I used to only go into the city in Melb to jalanx2 with friends.
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Melbourne is less 'busier' than Sydney but more vibrant than Perth. Just that you will experience 4 season in one day laugh.gif

I would choose Melbourne rather than Sydney

IF you want outside the CBD then try look at Geelong. Small city but have few big organisation in that area too.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 3 2013, 10:39 AM)
That's y u're not suitable to have outdoor activities mate. u just like the air-conditioning environment and avoid sunlight person or like to stay indoor.
Suit yourself in the zoo (SG).
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Its just up to your own perception. I also can say competition and fast paced life not suite you coz you are lazy and have no initiative to better yourself.
I would also like to take it easy but not during my prime. Maybe when i am financially independant i will retire and take it easy. With money I can go anywhere in the world and i do not have to rely on the gov during my old age. Maybe then I'll migrate to australia, dump some money, take PR/citizenship and enjoy the benefits
However, do bear in mind that all those benefits won't last forever.

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post Dec 3 2013, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 3 2013, 08:33 PM)
Its just up to your own perception. I also can say competition and fast paced life not suite you coz you are lazy and have no initiative to better yourself.
I would also like to take it easy but not during my prime. Maybe when i am financially independant i will retire and take it easy. With money I can go anywhere in the world and i do not have to rely on the gov during my old age. Maybe then I'll migrate to australia, dump some money, take PR/citizenship and enjoy the benefits
However, do bear in mind that all those benefits won't last forever.
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Yeah, come and dump your money here. We're watching you here. brows.gif

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post Dec 4 2013, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 3 2013, 10:35 AM)
No doubt that there's no perfect heaven in this world. See which 1 suits you.
Singaporean tend to step on your head 1st. You have to listen to them . Taking the lead in the conversation and treat you all stupid and they're the smartest in world. Later they'd say you all from third world country don't talk so much. They won't listen to your opinion, will seek your mistake and say it loud and clear and humilitating you. For anyone who wish to work in SG. Make sure you wear more 'pants' before they back fire your ass.... biggrin.gif
For me, Singapore definitely not my cup of tea. My friend asked me to work in a consultant firm in SG whereby he's totally workaholic. Slept in office for 3 days to rush work. Pay is good but payback to doctor i would say.
Besides that, SG is a super rich playground. If don't mind living in pigeon hole, then it's ok. Pigeon hole ain't a place for me
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Singapore is deemed more developed than Malaysia so their attitude to Malaysians is as what you describe "step on your head 1st", "Taking the lead in the conversation" etc.

The same can be said for a Malaysian's attitude to a Bangla or any of those third world workers in Malaysia..


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post Dec 4 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(tengah @ Dec 4 2013, 02:14 AM)
Singapore is deemed more developed than Malaysia so their attitude to Malaysians is as what you describe "step on your head 1st", "Taking the lead in the conversation" etc.

The same can be said for a Malaysian's attitude to a Bangla or any of those third world workers in Malaysia..
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Yeah, that's why i always screw those arrogant people who would like to act on 'step on your head 1st'
I threw them some queries until they themselves can't answer and screw him.
Yes, you're right. There's plenty in Malaysia as well. People asking question doesn't mean they're stupid. They just wanna know and get things right. I found almost majority malaysian do think that people asking question is stupid.
My experience is that i ask question on certain technical issue to my senior manager, they'll throw you a question. 'YOU DUNNO AR? YOUR IQ SO LOW AR? SUCH AN IDIOT AR, ARE YOU RETARDED?' Well, not just that, even most of the people surround me do have this kind of attitude. You cannot oppose their decision, no question ask. No queries. Just become yes man.
Yeah, i might be stupid in a seconds and would be informative in the rest of my life. Well, the senior manager who reply me that, still working like hell and underpressure everyday. Loss his hair somewhere somewhat almost 50 and underpay. Went back last trip to pay a visit to him. Seems getting pale on his face. hmm.gif

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post Dec 5 2013, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 2 2013, 08:13 PM)
Lived in Australia for 5 years and I love it there. There are pros and cons but what I like the most is work-life balance, bigger country for me to drive around, many events going on, able to see other cultures(be it Italian, Greek, Spanish, Korean, Japanese,Chinese, Hongkie, Indian, etc), amazing food(not the Asian food), etc. Public transport is consider OK for me as long as I don't have to transit around. Weekend is really a weekend where you can see everyone relaxing and kids running around but they never neglect their works during weekdays.

I have been looking for job in Singapore and been there back and forth frequently in these 1 month. THe people there are selfish and arrogant, public transport is OK for me if I don't have to transit between bus and MRT, food is so-so only compare to Malaysia, rental is expensive, no where to go in a small island,etc.

Everyone have their own lifestyle and for me Australia suits me. The weather could be horrible but at least they have a not-so-cold winter.People say the property is expensive in Australia but Singapore is not that cheap either. One HDB flat can cost more than SGD$800k and that building looks horrible. I can build a house+garage from scratch with a land for AUD$400-500k in Melbourne inner-suburb. My ex-colleague just built a 4 bedrooms house + garage from scratch for just $480k in Caulfield area and can take a 20 minutes train to CBD to work.

Good things about both countries are you will have purchasing power if you work there. You can easily go travel with the strong currency and electronics are not that expensive.
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have you got your career sorted yet? smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2013, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 2 2013, 08:34 PM)
Personally i feel australia working wise is good for entry level to lower management level because of the min wage and work life balance. But once you are in mid to senior level it becomes very difficult as pay is stagnant and taxes are high while opportunities are also limited. So think long term. Unless you want to be a senior exec forever.

One more thing i foresee is that all those fringe benefits like unemployment benefits, cheap education, gov sponsored healthcare will come to an end soon. Maybe in another 10-15years. This is because when the mining sector (which funds australia) will slow down drastically in the next couple of years as demand from china slows and competition bites
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not just difficult, but can be not "any gain" Not slowing anyhow, its just the problem with aging population with their "wants" rather "need".

the current retirement age been re subjected to 70. If you guys have not heard. Superannuation issues and stuff.

None the less, the current PM. Tony ABORT, been making everything upside down again laugh.gif

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post Dec 5 2013, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Dec 3 2013, 01:22 AM)
We have topics that discuss jobs in Singapore and Australia actively, so I take that these are the top 2 career destinations out of the country for Malaysia. In terms of Australia, as mentioned it is a hot spot, but what about New Zealand? We aren't getting much talks about New Zealand when it's relatively close to Australia as well. What makes Australia preferred than NZ?
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the problem with NZ its a very localized economy. Like say the epicenter of Australasia growth and etc are subject to Melbourne and Sydney. Then followed by Auckland. Due to its economic relations with Australia, NZ been minding their own so far. Only major issues then will NZ come to the spotlight.

NZ is more a localized economy with uniqueness of its own.

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post Dec 5 2013, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 3 2013, 01:51 PM)
For accounting, there's huge surplus now jobless. The reason is too many ppl migrating in based on account profession.
You could try sydney or melbourne but there's huge competitive in those places coz everyone like to go there.
The reason i leave sydney is becoz i totally tired of city life. Sydney = KL. = Melbourne
Sydney would be cleaner of course. but it's a fast pace lifestyle. Perth is totally different world from eastern states. That's y it suits me.
Well, you have to ask yourself what sort of lifestyle you want. Or else you'll be miserable and complaining everyday smile.gif
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Good to know you had a sea change.

Btw, what are you doing in Perth? blush.gif
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post Dec 5 2013, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(frega @ Dec 3 2013, 07:26 PM)
Is Melb as fast paced? I mean, I'm sure there's work outside of the city. I bet it's cheaper to have offices outside of the city center. Hell, I used to only go into the city in Melb to jalanx2 with friends.
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Melbourne is efficient paced. Not really fast, but efficient. Only their PT is joke laugh.gif

suburb area /the satellite cities like Dandenong, Geelong, Monash(Caulfield), Boxhill, etc will become the support area(family growth) for most Melbourne soon. Even there is increase in density of city dwelling and population.
i believe hihihehe can share more about this laugh.gif of the PT issue.

consider it overall as "London" southern hemisphere.

hihihehe man, I Missed Melbourne cry.gif

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 4 2013, 01:56 PM)
Yeah, that's why i always screw those arrogant people who would like to act on 'step on your head 1st'
I threw them some queries until they themselves can't answer and screw him.
Yes, you're right. There's plenty in Malaysia as well. People asking question doesn't mean they're stupid. They just wanna know and get things right. I found almost majority malaysian do think that people asking question is stupid.
My experience is that i ask question on certain technical issue to my senior manager, they'll throw you a question. 'YOU DUNNO AR? YOUR IQ SO LOW AR? SUCH AN IDIOT AR, ARE YOU RETARDED?' Well, not just that, even most of the people surround me do have this kind of attitude. You cannot oppose their decision, no question ask. No queries. Just become yes man.
Yeah, i might be stupid in a seconds and would be informative in the rest of my life. Well, the senior manager who reply me that, still working like hell and underpressure everyday. Loss his hair somewhere somewhat almost 50 and underpay. Went back last trip to pay a visit to him. Seems getting pale on his face.  hmm.gif
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Singapore is a stepping stone, Not a place to be long term laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 2 2013, 12:57 PM)
1) I must say my bro working in SG O&G. He told me not all singaporean are really bad arse but majority yes. Money minded. Lost of respect to family elders and children grown up in a situation of comparing each other. Pretty arrogant and selfish and sometimes back stabber. I've encoutered myself during uni. Such an arsehole!

2) I do met some Ozzie arsehole as well. Fly kite somemore. However, generally they're pretty easy to mix around. Not as  bad as what we think. If you need their help, they really help you. I was very lucky have some Ozzie friends who really helped me a lot in work. Greeting each other is something we need to learn from and it's important! This is in respect of humanity. I realised how important it is to greet someone you dunno.

3) Providing you're super rich. If you're earning in Oz, you be able to build your own house with your own design at reasonable cost. What's the majority people stays in SG? Pigeon hole? How many could afford landed property?
The only thing i agree with you is Australia is a boring place FOR shopping mall shoppers. It's a fascinating place for outdoor activities! Fishing or BBQ or spending quality times with family & friends. You won't get bored with these activity. If anyone who's really a mall shoppers or like to stay at home, please don't come.

4) Yeah, you're right. How bout when you're bringing your kids or babies along where no one taking care of them at home? Ask them to carry your grocery bags?

5) SG is strong currency no doubt you can travel overseas in affordable price. Ozzie currency not bad either. going USA/Europe/NZ/Micronesia/SEA at very very affordable price.

Please elaborate how very very few asian top management? any statistic?

Image & value in Oz is multiculturalism:-
1) PR holders could work in government sector.
2) PR holders could tender government job (I just help my PR boss won 2 government project).
3) PR holders can get government housing scheme (FHOG)
4) PR holders could enter local uni
5) PR holders could get gov scholarship
6) PR holders entitled centrelink

so please elaborate the bolded terms

I think you're asian supremacy. Asians are good in the job they're doing but ruthless as well treating the staff. Why majority asians like to join westerners company?
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simple: to seek refuge from their Asian counterpart who are ruthless at first place.

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 2 2013, 03:23 PM)
1 & 2) I disagree. Like you said there are very nice singaporeans and very nasty ones just the same as there are nice australians as there are nasty ones. In fact my singaporean friends have helped me more than my fellow msian when i was working in sg. I find that its the malaysians who are ruthless and back stabber.

3) i do not think normal aussies can afford even a small apartment in sydney, melbourne, perth let alone build your own. If yr talking about farmhouse, i seriously doubt anyone wants to lives miles away from civilisation. Scream also no one to help you. And btw you can always buy cheap big properties in jb and travel to sg. Alot of expats are doing that now.

4) You can employ something called maids. They are cheap in sg. You cannot afford a maid in australia

5)i don't think so. Travelling to usa/euro is very expensive due to expensive flight tickets.

6)you look at telstra, rio tinto etc. Who are their ceo? Asian?

7) the time of aus has come and gone. Nows asia's time to shine. Like the wheels of karma. Nothing lasts forever.

the same reason as to why many aussie are wating to come to work in sg.
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A form of slavery in ASEAN where Asian create their little "minions" to get their jobs done. laugh.gif similar to how donkey got fooled with the carrot on their eyes

Here, you want get it done, you got to pay a person. What Asean practice dont applies here much.
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 2 2013, 03:23 PM)
1 & 2) I disagree. Like you said there are very nice singaporeans and very nasty ones just the same as there are nice australians as there are nasty ones. In fact my singaporean friends have helped me more than my fellow msian when i was working in sg. I find that its the malaysians who are ruthless and back stabber.

3) i do not think normal aussies can afford even a small apartment in sydney, melbourne, perth let alone build your own. If yr talking about farmhouse, i seriously doubt anyone wants to lives miles away from civilisation. Scream also no one to help you. And btw you can always buy cheap big properties in jb and travel to sg. Alot of expats are doing that now.

4) You can employ something called maids. They are cheap in sg. You cannot afford a maid in australia

5)i don't think so. Travelling to usa/euro is very expensive due to expensive flight tickets.

6)you look at telstra, rio tinto etc. Who are their ceo? Asian?

7) the time of aus has come and gone. Nows asia's time to shine. Like the wheels of karma. Nothing lasts forever.

the same reason as to why many aussie are wating to come to work in sg.
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Australia.

Telstra - David Thodey is an Australian businessman who is the current Chief Executive Officer of Telstra after the departure of Solomon Trujillo. He was born in Perth, Western Australia.
Rio Tinto -Sam Walsh - Brighton, Melbourne, Australia

Why should it be Asean?
I dont get the championing of Asean in Australia "top league"

If you want to compare who and who. we applies the same to Malaysia.

TM CEO - Dato' Sri. Zamzamzairani Bin Mohd Isa (malaysia)
Petronas - Tan Sri Dato' Shamsul Azhar Abbas (malaysia)

Lets see the Singapore.

Singtel - Chua Sock Koong -NUS
Wilmar- Kuok Khoon Hong

For Asia to shine, there`s many issue need to be address. The developing influence from China and India eventually propel Asean towards greater wealth. But then, we are killing our self of the past desire to live well,(aging population, questionable education issue, infrastructure) and cultural divide

Why those new breeders work force-aus want to come to SG to work, its simple. their exposure to the melting pot of culture, lifestyle and many others. Once they are good enough, they will move on while some caught in it..forever.

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US is expected to reach cost parity with China within the next 2 years. I am looking forward to see what Asian competition with US is like

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in the next couple of years as demand from china slows and competition bites
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US is expected to reach cost parity with China  within the next 2 years. I am looking forward to see what Asian competition with US is like
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Wahahahaha. That is the biggest nonsensical joke i've ever heard in my life. Hahaha. US to achieve cost parity with china... hahaha. Yr a real joker. You made my day man.

but in all seriousness, that will never happen. It would spell the demise of either country. 1. Because the cost structure in US in invariably much higher. US is known more for their technological advances, innovation and marketing. It can never compete on cost. At least not with china. China on the other hand has huge cheao (compared to us) labour, access to raw mats and efficiency to mass produce. It lags in terms of technological advances, innovation and marketing. That's not saying they won't get there, but not in the next 20 years let alone 2 yrs.

hahaha US to achieve cost parity with china. What weed are you smoking mate? What a joke. Can you imagine the prices if iphone or ipad if it were manufactured in us? Or can you forsee brands in china rivalling samsung or apple in the next 2 years? No way.

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