QUOTE(maxmillion @ Nov 24 2013, 08:42 AM)
Hello All,
First time poster. Long time reader. I hope to share some insight into the Australian job market having lived here basically my whole life. I think perhaps by sharing my story and observations, you all can get some learnings from it.
Allow me to briefly introduce my background. My family migrated from Malaysia to Australia (Melbourne) back in the 1980’s when I was about 6 (we obtained PR). I spent my whole life growing up in Australia, though I have retained my Malaysian citizenship as I hope to come back to Malaysia one day (but that is best left for another thread of Malaysians who want to come home). For all intents and purposes however, I am more or less Australian (Malaysian however by choice and identity).
My dad, a qualified electrical engineer struggled to get a job here. He was making $300k p.a. back in the late 80’s, but gave it all up for us (his children) to come to Australia. And for that I am eternally grateful. He applied for every job under the sun when he got here, including that as a simple tram driver. But after two years of trying, he had to leave us and come home to KL to not be a financial burden on the family and start generating income so that we could survive here. Again, I can never repay this emotional debt. He travelled back and forth between Australia and KL until he retired in 2005. I basically grew up without a dad during my teenage years, but I tried to spend as much summers with him as I could. It was very tough on him to be away from his family all these years – tough on us all.
My mother on the other hand had somewhat more luck. She was a math teacher at Taylor’s College in KL. She managed to get a job with Taylor’s college here in Melbourne as the Principal in KL wrote her a sterling recommendation. She taught until she was 67 (two years post the mandatory retirement age)
As for me, I went to high school and university in Melbourne (and eventually the US too), and became a business consultant. Throughout my time at university, I have seen many Malaysians try and stay after studying. Out of the hundreds of Malaysians I befriended, only one girl managed to successfully get a job here after studying. Her sole point of differentiation? She basically spoke like an Australian. When she came here at 18 to study at Uni, she made it a point to associate with the locals only and to lose her accent. Truth be told when I first spoke with her, I didn't even know she was Malaysian, she had absolutely no accent. What’s the lesson? People like people like themselves. Australian’s want to hire Australian’s (don’t confuse this with skin colour). Hiring is more than just finding someone who can get the job done, the market is that competitive that a lot of people can get the job done. It’s about hiring someone who they can have a beer with at the end of the day, that can talk about cricket and footy (no, not Man U v Arsenal, I am talking about bulldogs v freo). All Asians face this cultural barrier. Start learning about Aussie sports and slang and throw that into the conversation. One of my key development goals my boss and I agreed to, was to get into Australian Football because the clients loved talking about it.
Lesson 2. I kept my anglicized Chinese name for a very long time – even into the first 2 years of my working career. When I switched companies, I decided adopt an English Alias. Why? The Aussies could never remember my name! If someone can’t remember your name, how can they address you besides the Asian guy, or even at all? Now I am guilty of this as well. I will remember an English name far easier than I will remember a Chinese name. It is not because the people here are racist. It is because the people here grew up learning English and hence English names are easier to remember. To you an Eng Dih is probably easier to remember than an Eddy. But to us, an Eddy is easier to remember and pronounce than Eng Dih. If you apply for jobs, use an English alias. It is not illegal to do so. Remember lesson one, they want to hire people like them. Being Malaysian, is not a point of differentiation that will get you in.
Lesson 3. People anchor to known quantities. If you are an accountant, people know a PwC, but they wont know Wong, Mohammed and Co. Point is, if you come here make sure you highlight brands. Also, overseas work experience, except for that gained in say Europe or America, is generally looked down upon. Just as Malaysian companies will prefer someone with local experience. No different here. You are at a distinct disadvantage if all you have is Malaysian experience. Emphasize brands and international experience if you have it.
Apologies for the long post. Hoping those lessons will give you some insight into working in Australia. I am happy to answer questions.
Max
This is getting me down. I was planning to resume my studies in Aus (I have maybe a year left) next year. Then try to stay there and find work. Is that not advisable? I already have some working experience locally in programming, which I hoped will aid me as Software Dev is in the SoL list.First time poster. Long time reader. I hope to share some insight into the Australian job market having lived here basically my whole life. I think perhaps by sharing my story and observations, you all can get some learnings from it.
Allow me to briefly introduce my background. My family migrated from Malaysia to Australia (Melbourne) back in the 1980’s when I was about 6 (we obtained PR). I spent my whole life growing up in Australia, though I have retained my Malaysian citizenship as I hope to come back to Malaysia one day (but that is best left for another thread of Malaysians who want to come home). For all intents and purposes however, I am more or less Australian (Malaysian however by choice and identity).
My dad, a qualified electrical engineer struggled to get a job here. He was making $300k p.a. back in the late 80’s, but gave it all up for us (his children) to come to Australia. And for that I am eternally grateful. He applied for every job under the sun when he got here, including that as a simple tram driver. But after two years of trying, he had to leave us and come home to KL to not be a financial burden on the family and start generating income so that we could survive here. Again, I can never repay this emotional debt. He travelled back and forth between Australia and KL until he retired in 2005. I basically grew up without a dad during my teenage years, but I tried to spend as much summers with him as I could. It was very tough on him to be away from his family all these years – tough on us all.
My mother on the other hand had somewhat more luck. She was a math teacher at Taylor’s College in KL. She managed to get a job with Taylor’s college here in Melbourne as the Principal in KL wrote her a sterling recommendation. She taught until she was 67 (two years post the mandatory retirement age)
As for me, I went to high school and university in Melbourne (and eventually the US too), and became a business consultant. Throughout my time at university, I have seen many Malaysians try and stay after studying. Out of the hundreds of Malaysians I befriended, only one girl managed to successfully get a job here after studying. Her sole point of differentiation? She basically spoke like an Australian. When she came here at 18 to study at Uni, she made it a point to associate with the locals only and to lose her accent. Truth be told when I first spoke with her, I didn't even know she was Malaysian, she had absolutely no accent. What’s the lesson? People like people like themselves. Australian’s want to hire Australian’s (don’t confuse this with skin colour). Hiring is more than just finding someone who can get the job done, the market is that competitive that a lot of people can get the job done. It’s about hiring someone who they can have a beer with at the end of the day, that can talk about cricket and footy (no, not Man U v Arsenal, I am talking about bulldogs v freo). All Asians face this cultural barrier. Start learning about Aussie sports and slang and throw that into the conversation. One of my key development goals my boss and I agreed to, was to get into Australian Football because the clients loved talking about it.
Lesson 2. I kept my anglicized Chinese name for a very long time – even into the first 2 years of my working career. When I switched companies, I decided adopt an English Alias. Why? The Aussies could never remember my name! If someone can’t remember your name, how can they address you besides the Asian guy, or even at all? Now I am guilty of this as well. I will remember an English name far easier than I will remember a Chinese name. It is not because the people here are racist. It is because the people here grew up learning English and hence English names are easier to remember. To you an Eng Dih is probably easier to remember than an Eddy. But to us, an Eddy is easier to remember and pronounce than Eng Dih. If you apply for jobs, use an English alias. It is not illegal to do so. Remember lesson one, they want to hire people like them. Being Malaysian, is not a point of differentiation that will get you in.
Lesson 3. People anchor to known quantities. If you are an accountant, people know a PwC, but they wont know Wong, Mohammed and Co. Point is, if you come here make sure you highlight brands. Also, overseas work experience, except for that gained in say Europe or America, is generally looked down upon. Just as Malaysian companies will prefer someone with local experience. No different here. You are at a distinct disadvantage if all you have is Malaysian experience. Emphasize brands and international experience if you have it.
Apologies for the long post. Hoping those lessons will give you some insight into working in Australia. I am happy to answer questions.
Max
I can't say I identify myself like an Aussie, more American? It was my dream to migrate there but I think it might not out of reach / impossible. Aus was always the 2nd / viable option.
I did not integrate well back then during my younger years studying there, I was a dumbass teenager. But I was planning to make an effort to mix with locals this time around. But Aussie footie? Eww, I'm a nerd. And the accent, I am able to pull up a pseudo American accent, aussie is a bit tough.
Max, do you think I should give up? I haven't been more excited to return to Aus. Maybe I shouldn't expect so much...
Nov 30 2013, 01:27 AM

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