I'm a fresh grad though.
Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.
Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.
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Nov 8 2013, 07:21 AM
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I want a short term job in Australia, like for ±5 years. Is that possible?
I'm a fresh grad though. |
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Nov 8 2013, 09:33 AM
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Nov 8 2013, 10:14 AM
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Nemesis1980
have you finally moved to Australia? |
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Nov 8 2013, 10:15 AM
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Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2013, 07:58 PM) The parents will be missing their career in Malaysia. They may be giving up >RM20k per month salary (both husband + wife working) or maybe more, and heads to some foreign countries with a lot of uncertainty. My parents have careers in Malaysia, but not to the extent of RM 20k per month. My mum works quite high up the rank with the government, but only like RM 6-7k per month only. The only person I know earns RM 20k per month is like the General Manager of an organisation with 600+ employee. The rest ... senior manager.. maybe only RM 10k. The General manager is like 50+, while the senior manager is like late 30s. That means my whole family should migrate since we're not so successful in Malaysia? QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 6 2013, 10:14 PM) Further, if you're making good money in Malaysia, your children can have more choices i.e. Unis in USA or UK or Europe or even China/HK. If by good money means RM 20k per month, then I really should migrate. In Australia, unless you are making equally good money, your child is stuck with Australian education. Not saying its not good, but there are lesser options. So at the end of the day, money still, makes the world go round. This post has been edited by TSOM: Nov 8 2013, 11:02 AM |
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Nov 8 2013, 10:31 AM
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IMHO I would have more choices, freedom and opportunities if I had an Australian citizenship. Let me tell you what I face:
- I want to teach English in Japan, just for an short-term experience ----> Cannot!! Because I do not a citizenship from an English speaking country; - I want to apply for a working holiday visa in Canada, to experience/travel in North America ----> Cannot!! Because I'm not a citizen of Australia, NZ, Nordic countries or Japan. It's undeniable that holding an Australian citizenship has a better reputation than a Malaysian citizenship. Being educated (primary & secondary) in Australia is also better in terms of reputation than educated in Malaysia. Primary & secondary education in some advance countries also include music, like piano or violin in class, something that I never had. Australia also offers foreign languages class like French, Spanish, Italian, German ... something that I ... unfortunately also never had. edit: meanwhile in Malaysia, must score A1 in pendidikan moral just to secure a scholarship!! My dream is to hold multiple citizenships, so that I can have more freedom!! PR is not sufficient because I don't plan to stay in Australia for a long term, and it cannot be renewed if I do not stay in Australia for enough days. This post has been edited by TSOM: Nov 8 2013, 10:33 AM |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM) My parents have a career in Malaysia, but not to the extend of RM 20k per month. You can. But can you get the same sort of after tax pay in aus? If yes, by all means.My mum works quite high up the rank with the government, but only like RM 6-7k per month only. The only person I know earns RM 20k per month is like the General Manager of an organisation with 600+ employee. The rest ... senior manager.. maybe only RM 10k. The General manager is like 50+, while the senior manager is like late 30s. That means my whole family should migrate since we're not so successful in Malaysia? If by good money means RM 20k per month, then I really should migrate. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:31 AM) IMHO I would have more choices, freedom and opportunities if I had an Australian citizenship. Let me tell you what I face: Holding an american citizenship and certain european citizenship would make you liable for worldwide taxes. Means you have to pay tax to the home country regardless if your income is derived from or outside the country. Holding multiple citizenship means you pay taxes multiple times unless those country has a tax treaty. - I want to teach English in Japan, just for an short-term experience ----> Cannot!! Because I do not a citizenship from an English speaking country; - I want to apply for a working holiday visa in Canada, to experience/travel in North America ----> Cannot!! Because I'm not a citizen of Australia, NZ, Nordic countries or Japan. It's undeniable that holding an Australian citizenship has a better reputation than a Malaysian citizenship. Being educated (primary & secondary) in Australia is also better in terms of reputation than educated in Malaysia. Primary & secondary education in some advance countries also include music, like piano or violin in class, something that I never had. Australia also offers foreign languages class like French, Spanish, Italian, German ... something that I ... unfortunately also never had. edit: meanwhile in Malaysia, must score A1 in pendidikan moral just to secure a scholarship!! My dream is to hold multiple citizenships, so that I can have more freedom!! PR is not sufficient because I don't plan to stay in Australia for a long term, and it cannot be renewed if I do not stay in Australia for enough days. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM) QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 8 2013, 11:00 AM) Sorry ... I wasn't making myself clear in the post. what I meant was .. referring to what you said, QUOTE Further, if you're making good money in Malaysia, your children can have more choices i.e. Unis in USA or UK or Europe or even China/HK. that means, make RM 20k/month, better stay in Malaysia... Because I don't make RM 20k/month, that's why I should migrate. This is what I actually meant. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 8 2013, 11:04 AM) Holding an american citizenship and certain european citizenship would make you liable for worldwide taxes. Means you have to pay tax to the home country regardless if your income is derived from or outside the country. Holding multiple citizenship means you pay taxes multiple times unless those country has a tax treaty. Exactly!! Which is why I'm not looking to take up US citizenship. I've also looked at the tax treaties, and in some advanced countries, you're not liable unless you stay more than 183 days in that country. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 11:07 AM) Exactly!! Which is why I'm not looking to take up US citizenship. That's also assuming those countries would even want to look into your pr/citizenship application. Unless you have alot of money or posses very niche skill in demand chances are very slim. Even countries like SG who traditionally welcome foreigners are tightening their immigration laws. So what do u have to offer?I've also looked at the tax treaties, and in some advanced countries, you're not liable unless you stay more than 183 days in that country. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 8 2013, 11:12 AM) That's also assuming those countries would even want to look into your pr/citizenship application. Unless you have alot of money or posses very niche skill in demand chances are very slim. Even countries like SG who traditionally welcome foreigners are tightening their immigration laws. So what do u have to offer? Nothing ... I just want to live sufficiently long in each desired country and apply for their citizenship. It's a dream anyway .. the easiest is you get married multiple times. |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:43 AM
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Nov 8 2013, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM) My parents have careers in Malaysia, but not to the extent of RM 20k per month. If you're not earning RM10k/mth and you're professional with degree, i suggest you give it a try. My mum works quite high up the rank with the government, but only like RM 6-7k per month only. The only person I know earns RM 20k per month is like the General Manager of an organisation with 600+ employee. The rest ... senior manager.. maybe only RM 10k. The General manager is like 50+, while the senior manager is like late 30s. That means my whole family should migrate since we're not so successful in Malaysia? If by good money means RM 20k per month, then I really should migrate. Might not necessarily in Australia, can try some other country as well. You won't hit RM20k/mth in Oz if you don't have local experience here. You still need to work hard here. It's not like lying on a bed of roses here. Just that you won't living in a very hardship situation but just need to work hard. This post has been edited by Nemesis1980: Nov 8 2013, 11:47 AM |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:31 AM) IMHO I would have more choices, freedom and opportunities if I had an Australian citizenship. Let me tell you what I face: You're pretty greedy i must say. Why don't just focus on one thing instead.- I want to teach English in Japan, just for an short-term experience ----> Cannot!! Because I do not a citizenship from an English speaking country; - I want to apply for a working holiday visa in Canada, to experience/travel in North America ----> Cannot!! Because I'm not a citizen of Australia, NZ, Nordic countries or Japan. It's undeniable that holding an Australian citizenship has a better reputation than a Malaysian citizenship. Being educated (primary & secondary) in Australia is also better in terms of reputation than educated in Malaysia. Primary & secondary education in some advance countries also include music, like piano or violin in class, something that I never had. Australia also offers foreign languages class like French, Spanish, Italian, German ... something that I ... unfortunately also never had. edit: meanwhile in Malaysia, must score A1 in pendidikan moral just to secure a scholarship!! My dream is to hold multiple citizenships, so that I can have more freedom!! PR is not sufficient because I don't plan to stay in Australia for a long term, and it cannot be renewed if I do not stay in Australia for enough days. Malaysia has a black history of overstaying in certain countries which ends up illegal working. That's why they restrict us in whatever reason. Jumping plane or parachuting whatever. If you really wanna teach english, you should take major in english with a degree not spm. Who wants a spm leavers with broken english teaching in japan? Maybe you could try teach in cambodia/laos/thailand/myanmar who really desperately needs in learning english. I've been to these country which the people there very keen to learn. Well, Malaysia won't let u hold multi-citizenship. Just forget it. Unless you live in singapore get the singapore citizenship might help. Even getting PR and don't wanna stay in the country. What for they giving you this previliage while others desperately need it. What's your intention, really? |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM) My parents have careers in Malaysia, but not to the extent of RM 20k per month. Perhaps you should google some Malaysian salary survey. If you are not successful in Malaysia, chances are you will also lose out in the even more fierce competition in australia. BTW, the RM20k per month I was talking about is household income from both the husband and wife. So, if each person earns RM10k+, then they can afford their children for australian education conducted in malaysiaMy mum works quite high up the rank with the government, but only like RM 6-7k per month only. The only person I know earns RM 20k per month is like the General Manager of an organisation with 600+ employee. The rest ... senior manager.. maybe only RM 10k. The General manager is like 50+, while the senior manager is like late 30s. That means my whole family should migrate since we're not so successful in Malaysia? If by good money means RM 20k per month, then I really should migrate. Don't get me wrong bro. Australia is a great country. It is way better than malaysia in many areas. I was just saying if a person migrate for the sole reason of his children future education, then he is making a big sacrifice If the parents "think" their children's future is in australia, then let them decides themselves when they grow up. Just like you now. You can decide your future yourself. What if when the children grow up in 10 years time, malaysian government is changed to PR government and everything suddenly brights up ? |
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Nov 8 2013, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 11:18 AM) Nothing ... Yes, i suggest u find an old women and married them. The fastest and cheapest way. I just want to live sufficiently long in each desired country and apply for their citizenship. It's a dream anyway .. the easiest is you get married multiple times. But u need to 'serve' everynite as old women 'very' demanding.....haha |
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Nov 8 2013, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 8 2013, 11:56 AM) Perhaps you should google some Malaysian salary survey. If you are not successful in Malaysia, chances are you will also lose out in the even more fierce competition in australia. BTW, the RM20k per month I was talking about is household income from both the husband and wife. So, if each person earns RM10k+, then they can afford their children for australian education conducted in malaysia Australia is a competitive country. If you wanna get a well-paid job, u hv to work extra hard. Not extra hour but extra brainstorming. Have to think your performance to be efficient and productive. Don't get me wrong bro. Australia is a great country. It is way better than malaysia in many areas. I was just saying if a person migrate for the sole reason of his children future education, then he is making a big sacrifice If the parents "think" their children's future is in australia, then let them decides themselves when they grow up. Just like you now. You can decide your future yourself. What if when the children grow up in 10 years time, malaysian government is changed to PR government and everything suddenly brights up ? If your competition is bad in Malaysia, you'll getting a zero here coz there's other immigrants who's far better than you like China or India. They're very efficient in their work. As i said, doesn't mean you come to australia no need to work. You still need to work extra hard and make sure food and education on the table |
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Nov 8 2013, 12:02 PM
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Went to site visit on refurbishment on local schools here. So many angmoh competitiors wanna win the project.
Well, have to squeeze my brain on stand out and work extra hard to win the project |
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Nov 8 2013, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Nov 8 2013, 11:55 AM) Malaysia has a black history of overstaying in certain countries which ends up illegal working. That's why they restrict us in whatever reason. Jumping plane or parachuting whatever. The restriction is purely politics.If you really wanna teach english, you should take major in english with a degree not spm. Who wants a spm leavers with broken english teaching in japan? Maybe you could try teach in cambodia/laos/thailand/myanmar who really desperately needs in learning english. I've been to these country which the people there very keen to learn. Well, Malaysia won't let u hold multi-citizenship. Just forget it. Unless you live in singapore get the singapore citizenship might help. Even getting PR and don't wanna stay in the country. What for they giving you this previliage while others desperately need it. What's your intention, really? No, you don't understand. Japan government is offering scholarships for teaching assistants for those with a bachelor's degree regardless of the subject. It doesn't matter what you study. Even if you studied English, their immigration policy for this visa category is such that, non anglophone country = NO ENTRY. If it comes to that, I'll definitely give up Malaysian citizenship in the blink of an eye. I've vast interests and I don't want to make my life tougher due to my citizenship. |
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