well, i already got my pr. Is AUD20k cash enough? I got some properties need to sell if required but will leave it until i plan to buy a house there in 1 year time. Yeah, my friend offered me his place coz he just bought a 4 rooms house which they have no children yet so they just want me to fit in. AUD 500/mth including all utilities and no bond. Got extra car which they have already got 3 cars.
I received emails like 10 new vacancies every 2 weeks on my occupation.
I think, my occupation won't end up working in 7-11 or petrol station. It's very much on what industry you're in. Sometimes this is depend luck.
If it's really pr causing the hardship, then come back lor. It's an experience you can get. It won't slice a flesh from your body.
I realised that some people just unwillingly to try or afraid failure.
To be frank, i received majority negative feedback from this forum than a group of my friends who's already there for years. They just keep on encouraging us to cross over. That's why everything is planned as what we're heading for.

This post has been edited by Nemesis1980: Feb 10 2013, 11:25 PM

It's not all negative.
If you've got a PR and a job settled, i believe its going to be good.
The working culture and lifestyle in Aus is one of the best in the world.
People really talk about effectiveness and efficiency during working hours but they stress on quality time with family after working hours.
They have more respect for personal family time compared to in Malaysia.
Also people here are more liberal and respect your opinion unlike Malaysia where certain authority trying to "impose" their beliefs on you.
The weather is great, the people generally friendly and if money is not an issue (assuming you have an ok paying job) the eateries, cafes and bars are great!

Yeah, i worked in malaysia 10 years. I came back 10 years ago is due to family business. The business collapsed so i worked in KL for 9 years.
As what you said, malaysia employer just deny everything what you're suggesting before they want to listen. Working culture here is poor and i don't want my children grew up this way. Working creativity is much important than working like undead.
i don't expect Oz to be perfect as there's no perfect world. However, i did some research on Oz future. They just discovered new thale oil. I think Oz economy will be booming another 20 years. Adelaide shall be soon become the new important O&G hub.

I'm also surprised by the negativity on the work culture in Malaysia, did all of you only work in chinaman companies? The past 3 companies I've worked for in Malaysia have all been excellent in both working culture and work life balance. I was able to leave at 6ish pretty much every day, my colleagues around the world respected my family time and I had decent vacation time etc. It's certainly not all bad in Malaysia either.

Sorry but I live in Sydney and that's totally untrue. Trains are late almost 50% of the time could be accurate, but definitely not between 10minutes to an hour. Trains are so much more dependable than buses. Besides some major problems like trees that fell on the tracks or something that fell onto the overhead lines, I've never been delayed more than 15 minutes to work by trains.

First things first, there is absolutely no shortage of doctors in Australia. In fact, there are so many international graduates that are not offered an internship in Australia. Even for senior positions, they aren't short of doctors. Nurses yes. Doctors DEFINITELY not.

Secondly, some companies do transfer your experience over. It totally depends on your previous employment. If you were employed by some Sdn. Bhd. company previously and have absolutely no experience with global markets then of course it won't be recognised. But if you have prior experience dealing with global markets and relevant experience, it will be recognised.

You are short-sighted in thinking that parents who earn RM20k-30k should have no problems sending their children overseas to study. Tuition fees alone would easily cost between RM120k-160k at this point in time. But what about 10-20 years from now? What if Australian dollar gets stronger and stronger? Do you think it'll be so easy for them to afford to roll them through uni then? RM120-160k is purely tuition fees, what about accommodation and cost of living. Imagine every RM you earn is only AU0.33 now, what if it's only AU0.25 in 20 years time when your kid needs to go uni?! If their children are Australian PRs or citizens they can get scholarships, they can apply for HECS and it'll be easier for them to get into the degree that they want. There are also other perks, like for example; Australian medical grads always have an advantage of international grads when it comes to looking for a job. There are many other factors to consider mate.

1) I know for a fact that many people who sutdied to become a doctor gets a PR after they finish med school. Besides, if there was no shortage, it wouldn't appear on their critical skills needed, correct?

2) No. I've seen people with MNC experience got discounted becuase they do not have the relevant experience in Australia. I think it is becuase Australia is not known as a global or regional hub (unlike Singapore, HK, NY or London) their business needs mainly caters to local Australian business.

3) You are assuming salaries stay stagnant at RM 20-30k p.m. every month, every year which is NOT the case. As cost of living increase so is their salary. And if you compare a A$5k job in Australia and a RM 30k job in Malaysia, there is no comparison. You will have a better living std with RM30k compared to a A$5k job after tax. And if your children is smart enough, they could also secure scholarship from private institutions in Malaysia or even from Singapore.

It seems you are one of those people i mention who just hate everything about malaysia without proper consideration. I guess for you, even timbaktu is better than malaysia so there is no point comparing becuase obviously you just want to get out of m'sia. good luck!

1) That was what? 7-10 years ago? You don't know anything. Medical grads can't apply for PR until AFTER they finish their internship. So they have to be granted a work visa right after their medical studies to work here. Did you know that international medical students from NSW had a "protest" because 90% of Australian medical grads were offered positions in hospitals here but only less than 20% of international grads were offered? I bet you didn't know that.

2) You've seen your people get discounted and I've seen my people get accredited. Doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong. Like I've clearly stated, there are people who do get accredited with the experience if they have been relevant. I'm a great example to that.

3) Getting scholarships in Malaysia is so much more difficult if you aren't Bumi. As a Malaysian you should know that. I'm not saying standard of living in Australia is better with A$5k salary than RM20k salary in Malaysia. I'm purely stating the facts that there are so many other factors than just looking at it as how you have.

It seems that you are wrong and you are only making an ass out of yourself by assuming. I love Malaysia and I've given thoughts about working back in Malaysia and Singapore. All I'm merely stating is that there are a lot more advantages if your children are Australian citizens/PRs compared to if they are rich kids in Malaysia if you want to send them overseas to study. All I have done is state another point of view that defers from yours but yet equally as factual (if not more). You can continue looking at things through our thin black lenses but there are always 2 sides to a coin. Grass isn't always greener on the other side but it doesn't mean the grass isn't green on both sides.

Bros,

Each has their own perspective lah.. so dun diss each other.. just respect ppl's life decisions... any life decision is always tough and hard to be right completely.. pros and cons.. see which con you can tolerate and accept..

Gong Xi Fa Cai everyone here!! =)

Can't compare this way. Aud$ 5k is quite normal and majority can earn this much.

However, only very little people can earn rm20-30k per month in Malaysia. Maybe GMs and CEOs.

Yup no point arguing coz some people already have their mind set that anything is better than M'sia.

Well, i'm currently working in a chinaman company and i worked 2 of such companies. I remember there's 1 time when i married, the boss giving ang pow RM 1k. I was so happy that boss being so kind. 2 months later is the bonus review. I got another RM1k. i was like WTF? i was in this company 3 years, as i walked into boss room asking what is this. He told me he give me half already, the other half is this.....Work till 10pm everyday. I even slept in the office few times to rush the project.
My current company is 1 of the well known company in KL which if i mention, you'll all know coz it's too famous and infamous of stingy!
Calculate every cents and i'm telling ya, everyday is ad hoc. Got properties overseas. All bonuses given in token. Forcing contractor to accept contra. Very bad reputation outside.
My wife last time work in 1 franchise chinamen company selling famous expensive cake. Work till 12pm midnite every day even she's pregnant.
She's qualified accountant and the company is understaff. Requested few times for additional staff get denied. Cannot tahan until 1 1/2 year, cabut!
Our union is weak.

Do you know why doctors appear on critical skills list???? There is no shortage in urban area. There is shortage in rural area. Now do you know why your medical friend got sent to rural area.???

I've worked in a not so bad chinaman company, but I do know that these companies exist. Like I've stated before, previously the English exploited us, now our own countrymen exploit us. The sad thing is that even MNC branches in Malaysia are run like chinaman companies, without regard to global standards etc. I'm not saying that there are no chinaman type companies in Australia, fortunately for workers there they have much more protection and avenues to air their complaints. It's time for Malaysian employers and employees to grow up and be more mature.

Gosh how old are you? Are you so immature and stubborn to accept another person's point of view?! In the first place, I didn't say you are wrong (except for the doctor part, because that's very obvious you don't know anything about the current situation). Secondly, this was never an argument, I was merely stating that there are many other reasons why someone would give up a high paying job to move to Australia. Some of which are benefits to their children who would be local uni students instead of international students. Anyway, I've done stating my points. No point saying anymore when people are too stubborn to accept there are 2 sides to every story.

I was working with a consultants which originate from UK. As malaysia policy is that you have to establish with local company to protect the locals to have their job seize. The directors has to be local, implement 30% bumi somemore. So the whole company with a foreign company name with chinamen management. They squeeze us till dry. Even if you're earning RM10k in malaysia, how many hours have you spend with your love ones.
BAsed on research, we cut out sleeping and working time, we shall spend at least 5 hours with our family each day. I don't know have we met this standard. I know i can't if i'm still in malaysia.
To be honest, even i didn't get PR, i will still take all opportunities to venture overseas. If this coming election still BN wins, i definitely leaving the country for good. I don't wanna waste another 5 years to this corrupted government.

1) Economy

Of course if China's economy falls, the rest of Asia Pacific would be badly affected. I don't think China will fall into deep recession unless USA defaults in China investments - then that is really bad news for the whole world.

China has been on the high for a very long time, never fall into recession. Economists are always on the opinion that every economy has cyclical timeline. There's always a high and a trough. China's economy has been overheating for a very long time, property prices are up, the burden on its inefficient social system, the one child policy has bear a lot of inconvenience to the next generation to support their parents and grandparents, inflation, lack of labour and economic reform.

If China falls into a mild recession, that would have very bad consequences for Australia. Australia is very vulnerable to external effects. Mining prices are very volatile, they are just like eg, coffee commodities. Brazil for instance was riding high on coffee exports until the 1970s, when farmers over-extended resources to plant more coffee (over-investing) and then when the cofee prices fell to all time lows, many farmers became bankrupt.

The only commodity that is recession proof is oil. Coal, gold, nikel and aluminium are among the major Australian mining resources that are determined in the international markets, they are as I said, very volatile. Moreover, coal is a dirty resource, it pollutes the air. The world bodies are trying to find some way to limit to use of coal. Already in Beijing, the coal production has resulted in air pollution of catastrophic proportions, visibility poor, children sent to hospitals because of respiratory problems, development of smog, etc.

2) What does Australia have?

Yes Australia is stronger than Malaysian economy. Australia is among the top 10 economies, scandinavian countries are among the top ten too. But Australia compared to the Scandinavian economies, what the Ozzies got that is better than Sweden, Norway and Finland? Besides their rich mining resources...naada.

Australia is not exactly an innovation country. They don't have a proper manufacturing base....when you think of UK, you can think of innovative companies like Dyson..that created their stand out vacuum cleaners, GSK that created strepsils. When you think of Sweden, you think of IKEA, Volvo and Saab. When you think of Finland, you think of Nokia.

Malaysia's economy may not be strong but it sure has what it takes to weather out any economic difficulties. We have our exchange rate advantage, this is why our unemployment rate remains so low. We have top rated port facilities, road infrastructure, factory industrial estates, efficient electricity grids and the gateway to the wider South East Asian market of 500 million consumers.

I recall when Australia fell into deep economic recession in 1994, it was so bad that I heard Australian PRs had to come back to Malaysia, because they could not find any jobs back in AUstralia. At that time their unemployment rates were like 14-18%. When Australia is on the high, its best performer but when Australia sink, they really sink all the way to the bottom.

3) Blue collar jobs

Yeah but I seen Polish migrants doing blue collar jobs in Australia, repairing roads and in the construction line. Everywhere in the world is the same lah.

How can we malaysians able to match with our indonesian counterparts if we were to work as construction laborers? No Malaysian can survive on RM500 a month doing construction labour. However, a lot of Malaysians are in the top tier construction jobs..like supervising, crane operator, operating the bulldozer, wielding, electrical wiring, etc.

4) Education

Yeah our educational standards are dropping. But you forget one thing, the chinese vernacular schools are always maintaining their high standards of education. We Malaysians are always well known for our educational dexterity. I can't say much about the Malays..because I have not gone to local universities. I recall when I was studying in Australia, we chinese and indians beat the local Australians, in terms of exam results, flat hands down.

Every year the top awards of high distinctions goes to us asians. So much for higher Australian educational standards. I mean, I've gone for tutorial classes and watch the Aussie students asking stupid and irrelevant questions while the Asians ask meaningful questions...at the end, who scored better? The Asians.

5) Politics

If you think Malaysia political atmosphere brings entertainment value to you, you should check out the American political atmoshere. Come on...corruption is everywhere. I am not saying I am condoning corruption but we are human beings, imperfection is everywhere. Even in Australia.

No country is perfect. But I am confident that Malaysia is reaching places. THe people of Malaysia are no longer foolish and agreeable...if you have experienced the Bersih rallies and Malaysians openly having constructive conversations over mamak drinks..about politics and BFM radio, people are calling in providing constructive feedback on pertinent issues...there is democratic realisation or awakening happening in Malaysia.

There are places far far worse than Malaysia. Like in Syria, where the people are going against the government, taking up arms...government is launching indiscriminate bombings on civilian areas...so far 60,000 people dead.

Of course Malaysia should not be stuck at where we are just because we are better off than those worst off countries. But I see, some ray of hope in which Malaysia is going through some sort of democratic evolution..its being transform into something.

Doesn't mean just because a country has corruption and social problems, it will inhibit economic growth. I can assure you that one of the most corrupted countries in the world is USA, and yet its the top upper echelons of the economic leadership. Don't listen to transparency international...I think if they don't put USA among the top ten, they are quite bias. There are many powerful rights lobbies in the USA..and they got a lot of cash, like the gun lobby or the jewish lobby that gives cash contributions to political candidates to run their campaigns. Isn't that corruption at a legal scale?

Many of the politicians in USA cater to lobby interests in contrast to the people's needs. Also in USA, the politicians do rob billions of dollars from its own coffers. Military contracts, USA funding of illicit governments amounting to billions of dollars to Egypt, Pakistan and other shadowy corrupted countries.

Then in USA, crime rate is horrific. Gun violence, rapes crimes, drug wars and insane serial killers.

I haven't kept up to mark to AUstralia's political situation but I am very sure Australia got its own problems too.

6) Job opportunity.

Of course, the people who migrate to Australia has to give up everything before he or she goes there. How else to find a job? A Malaysian can't exactly apply for a job in Australia, and then when he's called for interview, he tells the prospective employer that he needs to take a week to book a flight and ask permission from his current employer to go to take leave just to attend an interview?

Unless you graduated in Australia, and straight away go find a job there.

There are flexi-jobs available even in Malaysia. I got friends at Shell, that work 3 days a week at the cyberjaya office then the other 2 days, they work from home.

Its just that the standard of Ozzy jobs are kind of boring and low level. I know a friend who migrated to Australia, used to be a top senior manager at one of the Big four accounting firms, but he had to bust his chops to do a dead end one man book keeping job at the HR consulting firm. Pretty boring but the pay is ok.

For those who migrate, I think its best not to hope for those high end commercial jobs that one dreams of getting.

Job satisfaction is also important. Sometimes its hard for a migrant, he or she has to grab the first job opportunity that comes along the way.

7) Family

I don't know about you, but I have always pondered what if I migrated there? I don't feel like leaving my family and I got big disagreements with gf who prefers to live in malaysia. You see, I applied for fun for the PR some years ago, I thought just try lah, but I successfully got it. Now I wonder if its a big burden.

My career here is going up. I just got promoted to a manager. So if I migrate, everything will go down the drains because I have take up a junior position, boring job and then being press down by the white Aussie employers who look down on us Asians.

If I go Australia, I have to break up with gf or go long distance relationship which eventually would lead to break ip anyhow. Then I have to leave my family. Some time ago, a close relative of mine almost died but luckily I was there to take him to the hospital to conduct emergency surgery that saved his life.

So these questions do come to my mind.

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Feb 12 2013, 10:38 AM

I didn't know stating one's point or sharing views involves name calling like "It seems that you are wrong and you are only making an ass out of yourself by assuming" or "Gosh how old are you? Are you so immature and stubborn to accept another person's point of view". This is new to me. Perhaps you would like to enlighten me on your brand of "my view, you accept"

In Malaysia, there are three type of employers:

1) The fast pace MNC
2) The Chinaman company mentality
3) The GLC mentality

I have worked for 1) and 2)

1) very stressful. Job scope can be very interesting and you have job ownership. Everyone is efficient and delivers their work in time. Have to keep up with my SLA. But increment and bonus is excellent.

2) Boring and slow pace. Job security very good no need to worry about losing job. But increment and bonus not very good. Some don't even pay increment.

3) This one...as long you not bumi...you stay at your position for the rest of your life. Unless you change job. And then your work cannot get done because some other joker from another department is not complying.

Some say I am negative about Australia. No I am not negative. I have lived in both Malaysia and Australia. Reason why I sound negative is, if I were to migrate to Australia, I am going to take a lot of big risks. This is why I sound sceptical. Why?

1) Gf have don't want to leave Malaysia
2) My career is getting better. I just got promoted.
3) I miss my family. But at least its better than Canada. Flight 7 hours away and similar time zone.

My point here is I am trying to weigh the cost vs benefits of migrating to Australia. So if one can come out with convincing points, then maybe my opinion will change.