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post Sep 19 2011, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 12:29 PM)
Market bearish signal triggered..
No rush no rush..

Understanding the market is very important. Entry timing is very important. Enter blindly = KO straight.

If u ask agent, agent sure say good buy, but not knowing it is good bye..

Lolz...
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If going thru RCA using DDI, should be ok, rite?
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post Sep 19 2011, 01:20 PM

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Can.. but do that non stop for 10 years then can see effect.

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post Sep 19 2011, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 08:51 AM)
The service charge I meant is referring to Public Bank imposes on the DDI; not referring to the 5.5%/0.25% for buying the unit trust.

Your second statement is little confusing. If you're switching low-loaded units, you'll be charged for service charge. Otherwise, only RM 25 switching fee is imposed. Switching in and out is not advisable since you'll be charged RM 25 per switching and needs to meet min amount.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding on the Public Bank imposes DDI.

For the second statement, what I meant is when somebody do lump sump into bond and from bond monthly/quarterly transferred into equity.
I've seen this kind of form before, I've could be mistaken though.
When we do something like this, we only be charge for SC not another RM25 for switching.

For normal switching from bond to equity for the first time will impose 5.5%+RM25.

This post has been edited by koinibler: Sep 19 2011, 01:59 PM
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post Sep 19 2011, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 19 2011, 01:57 PM)
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the Public Bank imposes DDI.

For the second statement, what I meant is when somebody do lump sump into bond and  from bond monthly/quarterly transferred into equity.
I've seen this kind of form before, I've could be mistaken though.
When we do something like this, we only be charge for SC not another RM25 for switching.

For normal switching from bond to equity for the first time will impose 5.5%+RM25.
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go to switching.
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post Sep 19 2011, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 01:29 PM)
Market bearish signal triggered..
No rush no rush..

Understanding the market is very important. Entry timing is very important. Enter blindly = KO straight.

If u ask agent, agent sure say good buy, but not knowing it is good bye..

Lolz...
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hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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post Sep 19 2011, 09:20 PM

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1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 19 2011, 09:17 PM)
hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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i think he mean still a fresh bear, still got time to let the market drop. no need to kanchiong first
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 09:20 PM)
1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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What is PIX?
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 09:20 PM)
1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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wait for another 200 points drop
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 19 2011, 09:17 PM)
hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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Yes, good during bears, but not a fresh bear play..
Go on fresh bear = bear's dinner

Go on full and saturated bear = bear's killer moment...

Let the bear eat their meal now.. Don't rush in like other..
Bull will not come in a bang. There will be side way trending before a bull.. Be patient.. Catch the right moment when the bear is almost full.. Then they will go and sleep. That is the time to kill bear


Added on September 19, 2011, 11:40 pm
QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 19 2011, 11:12 PM)
What is PIX?
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Public Index Fund..

Index related. The index is KLCI.

KLCI got 30 big counters that is used to represent Malaysia economy.
They are big caps counter, with at least 5bil market capital.

PIX invest in all these 30 counters.

Index up, PIX up.. Index down, PIX down..

So fastest to rebound is also PIX counter.

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post Sep 20 2011, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 11:38 PM)
Yes, good during bears, but not a fresh bear play..
Go on fresh bear = bear's dinner

Go on full and saturated bear = bear's killer moment...
I think I'm already become bear's dinner doh.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 20 2011, 07:19 AM)
I think I'm already become bear's dinner  doh.gif
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Thanks Koinibler for being bear bait - now the hunter killers can move in AFTER the bear is full and zzz tongue.gif
Joking! Joking! Pls dont use that voodoo doll on me notworthy.gif

The trend is your friend until the end (when it turns). BTW, most people, including me previously, thinks that Trend analysis = predicting the future. It isnt - it's just seen how the tides ebb & flows, thus, knowing when to go out to sea for crazy fishing or anchor the boats / do anchovies fishing brows.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:38 AM

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What is the sign for full and saturated bear?
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 10:38 AM)
What is the sign for full and saturated bear?
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Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 10:56 AM)
Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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Careful not to bite the bear with too big a mouthful wor as another dip may occur within months 'ala 1997 & 1998
Being clawed to death by bear WHILE mouthful of bear fur isnt fun tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 20 2011, 11:06 AM)
Careful not to bite the bear with too big a mouthful wor as another dip may occur within months 'ala 1997 & 1998
Being clawed to death by bear WHILE mouthful of bear fur isnt fun  tongue.gif
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Means attack the wrong bear already lo.
The bear half full, just stop for a while to digest before starting a new munching session..

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post Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 10:56 AM)
Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?


Added on September 20, 2011, 11:39 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:09 AM)
Means attack the wrong bear already lo.
The bear half full, just stop for a while to digest before starting a new munching session..
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It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?

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post Sep 20 2011, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?


Added on September 20, 2011, 11:39 am
It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?
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Mois - perhaps we can learn from "Friday the 13th" and other horror shows here. ie
1. When see dead bear, dont assume dead
2. Shoot the damn bear a few times first, preferably head shots, from afar and have the car engine running (ie. put in a % of investment $ and get ready to run/counter)
3. See any "bad" reaction - as in it jumps and tries to run at U?
No? good, go to 4.
Yes? run like hell since U are far enough and have a car already started to outrun it and repeat step 1.
4. Go nearer and chop the bloody bear's head off + burn the carcass, then celebrate (ie. put the some left over % of investment $ in)
5. Watch out for bear's family members coming for revenge! (ie. thus U arent celebrating your smartness until die also dunno what happened)
6. WHEN not IF, the bear's family member comes - repeat step 1. again

Lots of things we can learn from movies hor tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?
That is why I say split it to few stages. Use KLCI as benchmark.
Once reach, example.. 1200, first pump. Probably 33%. Or whatever ratio you would like to do.

QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?
Yea, buying in stages to spread the risk


Added on September 20, 2011, 11:58 am
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 20 2011, 11:45 AM)
Mois - perhaps we can learn from "Friday the 13th" and other horror shows here. ie
1. When see dead bear, dont assume dead
2. Shoot the damn bear a few times first, preferably head shots, from afar and have the car engine running (ie. put in a % of investment $ and get ready to run/counter)
3. See any "bad" reaction - as in it jumps and tries to run at U?
No? good, go to 4.
Yes? run like hell since U are far enough and have a car already started to outrun it and repeat step 1.
4. Go nearer and chop the bloody bear's head off + burn the carcass, then celebrate (ie. put the some left over % of investment $ in)
5. Watch out for bear's family members coming for revenge! (ie. thus U arent celebrating your smartness until die also dunno what happened)
6. WHEN not IF, the bear's family member comes - repeat step 1. again

Lots of things we can learn from movies hor  tongue.gif
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Wong, I had to agreed I damn like this expression of Bear game here. Hahaha.. Thumbs up for this illustration.

Yeap, when you see a bear, don't finish your ammunition in one bear.. You might be able to kill him for a period, but you won't know if the family, relatives and friends are behind, or surrounding you. If you finish all ammunition at 1 bear, what about the others? Haha. Sure get raped already.

There are a few strategies for different type of investor.

If you do not want to think so much, you can split it to 33% in 3 stages, or 4 stages at 25% each.

But if you are a person who anticipate more fall to come, but at the mean time, you do not want to miss out any chances from the rebound (Just in case), then you might want to allocate your strategy in pumping into the market in a triangle shape.

1st initial pump, 20%.
If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
Continue to go lower, 50%.

In this manner, you will not miss out if there is a rebound after your 20% cash in.. But at the mean time, you are prepared for it to go lower for more capital flowing in..

Just my 2 cents sharing.


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post Sep 20 2011, 07:11 PM

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There's so much to interpret on Mr Wong slay a bear analogy hmm.gif


QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:53 AM)
If you do not want to think so much, you can split it to 33% in 3 stages, or 4 stages at 25% each.

But if you are a person who anticipate more fall to come, but at the mean time, you do not want to miss out any chances from the rebound (Just in case), then you might want to allocate your strategy in pumping into the market in a triangle shape.

1st initial pump, 20%.
If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
Continue to go lower, 50%.

In this manner, you will not miss out if there is a rebound after your 20% cash in.. But at the mean time, you are prepared for it to go lower for more capital flowing in..
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by "triangle shape" you mean this?;

> 1st initial pump, 20%.
> If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
> Continue to go lower, 50%.

How you determine a gap between point?

1400
1200
1000 ? Good?

This post has been edited by koinibler: Sep 20 2011, 07:11 PM

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