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post Sep 14 2011, 04:33 PM

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Bintan and Batam can use rupiah
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 03:52 PM)
I got an offer with a singaporean co. but I will be working at bintan, indonesia. The downside is they are going to apply for me indonesia work visa. So I am not sure whether is a good offer or not?
Why is that a downside? Don't you need an Indonesian work visa to work in Bintan?

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post Sep 14 2011, 07:18 PM

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I was hoping for EP visa...so that I can apply PR in future...aih...maybe I should demand for higher pay!
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 07:18 PM)
I was hoping for EP visa...so that I can apply PR in future...aih...maybe I should demand for higher pay!
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Are you willing to sacrifice every aspect of your social life for S$2.8k?

I was sent to Bintan when I was under the brief employment under a Singaporean company. The thing about Bintan is that while their resorts are generally awesome, the industrial estate is largely undeveloped and smack dab in the middle of nowhere. It takes 45 bloody minutes to travel by car from the resort port to the industrial estate!

There, you will find no shopping malls, no movie theatres, no restaurants, nothing. The closest semblance of civilisation you will find will be some small convenience stores and a nearby village which doesn't even have a proper tar road. I'm not too sure about your accommodation, but I was assigned one of the same hostel rooms that was occupied by the Indonesian operators. FYI, there won't be any fixed Internet connection, so your phone will be your best friend there.

Now you know why I was only 'briefly' employed in that company. They did not mention Bintan at all during the interview or in the contract, and their conduct was pretty unscrupulous, probably because they knew they would have a hard time getting professionals to stick around in Bintan for long. I was sent there on my third week with the company with little warning with an Indian engineer and a Filipino admin staff who were also newly hired, and all of us left by the second week.

If you die die also want to earn that S$2.8k and are willing to surrender your life for it, then go ahead. Otherwise, I am positive that there are plenty of better opportunities in Singapore. You just have to look hard enough.

Edit : If you want to get into the OnG industry, FMC Technologies is hiring graduate engineers a while back. Why don't you try applying there?

This post has been edited by shoograd: Sep 14 2011, 08:19 PM
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post Sep 14 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(shoograd @ Sep 14 2011, 08:17 PM)
Are you willing to sacrifice every aspect of your social life for S$2.8k?

I was sent to Bintan when I was under the brief employment under a Singaporean company. The thing about Bintan is that while their resorts are generally awesome, the industrial estate is largely undeveloped and smack dab in the middle of nowhere. It takes 45 bloody minutes to travel by car from the resort port to the industrial estate!

There, you will find no shopping malls, no movie theatres, no restaurants, nothing. The closest semblance of civilisation you will find will be some small convenience stores and a nearby village which doesn't even have a proper tar road. I'm not too sure about your accommodation, but I was assigned one of the same hostel rooms that was occupied by the Indonesian operators. FYI, there won't be any fixed Internet connection, so your phone will be your best friend there.

Now you know why I was only 'briefly' employed in that company. They did not mention Bintan at all during the interview or in the contract, and their conduct was pretty unscrupulous, probably because they knew they would have a hard time getting professionals to stick around in Bintan for long. I was sent there on my third week with the company with little warning with an Indian engineer and a Filipino admin staff who were also newly hired, and all of us left by the second week.

If you die die also want to earn that S$2.8k and are willing to surrender your life for it, then go ahead. Otherwise, I am positive that there are plenty of better opportunities in Singapore. You just have to look hard enough.

Edit : If you want to get into the OnG industry, FMC Technologies is hiring graduate engineers a while back. Why don't you try applying there?
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a pup joint needs 3 to 4 person to handle rclxm9.gif rclxub.gif
a API range 2 to range 3 length pipe needs the same 3 to 4 persons rclxm9.gif icon_question.gif
a workstation which requires 1 person only which is sufficient, there needs 3 to 4 persons... smile.gif how lavishly the labour & low range the pricing there.

in s'pore/malaysia an automated load station + crane + 1 person is enough. biggrin.gif
1 workstation, 1 person is more than enough.

*Pls. be extra careful with certain s'pore employers, many hiccups. drool.gif




the mnc is great as projecting with the name but the internal system there rclxub.gif most of the great people at there had left which built the name.

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 07:18 PM)
I was hoping for EP visa...so that I can apply PR in future...aih...maybe I should demand for higher pay!
You want to be an Indonesian PR?
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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 08:50 PM)
Did they recommend you to the person doing the recruitment? Are they hold higher position/influential in the firm?

My brother in law work in MNC and involve in the recruitment of new employees for the firm. Friends/family that want to work there can get recommendation from him and they got accepted for the job.  Another case is in my faculty where the Dean always bring in their relatives to become a lecturer. Of course they have the qualifications but not sure how good they are. Talking about nepotism...haha. This happen in where I live and I can't generalised it in other country such as SG. 

In your case, you're able to prove to the company that they need you for the job. Congrats!


Added on September 11, 2011, 8:51 pm

Why do you think so? Just need some clarification on this because I'm just about to find job and don't know much.
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even my friend has emailed my resume and forward it to the HR recruitment officer. HR recruiter has the power to call intervee to attend the interview. sucks even not managed the tests at Pwc.

At kpmg I failed the interview after I told I have cousin there. I think big 4 don't accept family working there.

at the MNC now, until now I don't know who was the decision maker who hired me, I think my Finance Manager got the power> the HR manager. It's not about who you know, but how much they need you.

sorry, it's forbes 1500 list since it is european MNC.
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 03:52 PM)
I got an offer with a singaporean co. but I will be working at bintan, indonesia. The downside is they are going to apply for me indonesia work visa. So I am not sure whether is a good offer or not?

They will pay me in SGD

Need 3rd party opinion...what do you think?
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so u r getting a imta? brows.gif

so that means u r paid in sgd equivelent but by the indo company? that means u r a taxable resident... and do u know their income tax rate? brows.gif and worse of all you have to declare your global income to the indo gov and in certain situations the income overseas is also taxable brows.gif no one in my company wants to hold a imta, especially the directors.. cause later kena tax gao gao.. but since ur a freshie i dbout u have other incomes

there stupid VAT is 10% doh.gif but i think hor... bintan cars are very cheap...



mr. tiger... where are u going? i am going dumai or balikpapan next week rclxms.gif
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post Sep 14 2011, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 14 2011, 10:39 PM)
You want to be an Indonesian PR?
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Of cuz not!I wanna get SG PR lar..


Added on September 14, 2011, 11:19 pm
QUOTE(RabbitS @ Sep 14 2011, 11:01 PM)
so u r getting a imta?  brows.gif

so that means u r paid in sgd equivelent but by the indo company? that means u r a taxable resident... and do u know their income tax rate?  brows.gif  and worse of all you have to declare your global income to the indo gov and in certain situations the income overseas is also taxable  brows.gif  no one in my company wants to hold a imta, especially the directors.. cause later kena tax gao gao.. but since ur a freshie i dbout u have other incomes

there stupid VAT is 10%  doh.gif  but i think hor... bintan cars are very cheap...
mr. tiger... where are u going? i am going dumai or balikpapan next week  rclxms.gif
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Care you explain in detail what is IMTA?

I will be hired by a singapore co. to work in indonesia. What is the income tax rate will be? Care to share?

Declare income?so mafan meh

btw, I am working at a tax free zone...so do I get tax as well?

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 11:17 PM)
Of cuz not!I wanna get SG PR lar..
Then why are you working in Indonesia?

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post Sep 14 2011, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 14 2011, 11:22 PM)
Then why are you working in Indonesia?
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The company is shifting the operation to indonesia to cut cost...so I will transferred to there
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 11:17 PM)
Of cuz not!I wanna get SG PR lar..


Added on September 14, 2011, 11:19 pm

Care you explain in detail what is IMTA?

I will be hired by a singapore co. to work in indonesia. What is the income tax rate will be? Care to share?

Declare income?so mafan meh

btw, I am working at a tax free zone...so do I get tax as well?
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imta = izin memperkerjakan tenagakerja asing... lol, ur indon e-pass... kakakaka

so u sign employement contract with sg entity or indon entity? ur salary comes from which coy?

if u get 2.8k sgd / month = idr 235 mill p. a.

pajak penghasilan/pph is at 15%... fuiyoh!!!! u r multi millionaire


Lapisan Penghasilan Kena Pajak
Tarif Pajak

Sampai dengan Rp. 50.000.000,-
5%

Diatas Rp. 50.000.000,- sampai dengan Rp. 250.000.000,-
15%

Diatas Rp. 250.000.000,- sampai dengan Rp. 500.000.000,-
25%

Diatas Rp. 500.000.000,-
30%

http://www.pajak.go.id/index.php?option=co...ph&limitstart=1
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 04:19 PM)
I know the pay is kinda low for expat...The co. more to marine rigs, subseas...I am going for the experience thou...aih...not sure wanna accept or not because I have not been to Bintan before....somemore is Indonesia
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not worth to accept... shakehead.gif
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post Sep 15 2011, 07:21 AM

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Ya....if the tax is 5% - 30%...I wont wanna accept the job...unless the company absorb my income tax or my income is not subject to tax than I will accept the job
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post Sep 15 2011, 07:48 AM

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anybody work in sg government ?

Malaysian can enter?
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 11:24 PM)
The company is shifting the operation to indonesia to cut cost...so I will transferred to there
Since you'll be transferred to Indonesia, why would Singapore give you a work permit or PR?

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 15 2011, 07:21 AM)
Ya....if the tax is 5% - 30%...I wont wanna accept the job...unless the company absorb my income tax or my income is not subject to tax than I will accept the job
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I suspect the Co. is trying to avoid giving out a hefty relocation package for existing staff to move to Indonesia. Employing new ones and relocating them will be a more cost-effective way. The seniors will probably be a ‘helicopter’ team that travel back & fro before the new staff can fully take over the operation independently. That’s just my take.
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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 15 2011, 08:42 AM)
Since you'll be transferred to Indonesia, why would Singapore give you a work permit or PR?
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Ya...Exactly I did not expect them to totally shift the operation to Bintan...so I wont be working at sg...oh well...Now I am rather worry on the income tax...hefty 5%-30% tax by the Indonesian Government on expat...I wonder those expat working at Bintan how do they survive there...5ksgd easily 30%!

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 15 2011, 08:47 AM)
Ya...Exactly I did not expect them to totally shift the operation to Bintan...so I wont be working at sg...oh well...Now I am rather worry on the income tax...hefty 5%-30% tax by the Indonesian Government on expat...I wonder those expat working at Bintan how do they survive there...5ksgd easily 30%!
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They may be employed in Singapore, with an Indonesia business visa. Therefore, they pay tax to Singapore Government.
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Hi Guys,

My office, a new setup by a multi mine owner specializing in marble is looking for outdoor sales and retail sales person.

outdoor sales must have experience in dealing with main and sub contractor in Singapore, dealing in project sales.

min. basic 2.2k plus 1000 transport allowance, with own transport of course. higher basic with relevant experience

indoor sales, no preference but be ready for retail hrs. min. basic 1.8k

interested pls email to tom_kkh@hotmail.com

working area ubi. east side of Singapore.

all position must be able to speak good english and any of the local dialect, eg. tamil/malay/mandrine/etc.

just for the record, i am direct from the company not recruitment agency. i seldom log in so no pm pls.

company's marble business website http://www.florianaconceptmarble.com/basic....asp?CurrPage=2

our groups website http://www.florianagroup.com/



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