Alright, read it from page 1. Hm. Wasn't expecting what I found.

Dreamer is right on the money 99% of the time... I found myself wincing only a few times, but it was never on the main topic.

It reminds me when I thought, just for fun, that I'd look up Thomas Paine's Common Sense and try making a web post arguing against it. I ended up agreeing 100% with nearly everything I saw, and was even taken by some of the arguments put forth. I can see why those guys won the revolution.

So, not so much a hurricane... but yea. Here goes.


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Page 3 Debbieyss: Before I follow and absorb one's teaching, I value his personality and attitude, then only his material achievements in life.

Page 5 Debbieyss: Whatever Dreamer is sharing here, to be honest, I only adopt 30% to 40% of his teaching.

◘ So, if a teacher tells you that E=MC2, you'll only absorb that if you value his attitude? If he goes on to tell you how that formula works, you will only absorb 30 or 40% of it because you dont personally like the teacher?


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Page 4 kaiserwulf: He would thrived well in a Malaysian educated or ol'skool of hard knocks or cinapek working environment; too bad its really matsalleh here (Debbie type mindset somewhat) and the Msians in the dept are more of Debbie's type of mindset.

Imagine this: Dreamer finds a Debbie subordinate- he gives her low rating and maybe less to no chance of promotion. Debbie finds a Dreamer subordinate- she gives him a low rating or maybe less to no chance of promotion.

See where I am coming from? Just saying there is no right or no wrong in life- is who has the big gun is the king. Or the most gun wins- aka majority.

◘ Here's something that hasn't been discussed yet about getting rich and succeeding.

Your example is why most Malaysian businesses simply cannot compete on the international level. If you want to compete with other businesses, you have to learn that it's not about you, what you personally feel, or who you dont like. This is probably THE THING holding Malaysia back more than anything else. If you dont personally like someone, So. F*ing. What. You're supposed to be focusing on the customer, ensuring your product is better than the competition's, trying to be the first to come up with new innovations, you know, RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS. Not playing politics and getting into petty squabbles.

Who was it that said "You want a friend? Get a dog." It's why comparing M'sian companies to British and American companies is like comparing Little League to the NBA. I'd bet money if you had a highschool basketball team that played AS A TEAM, against the Chicago Bulls where everyone was playing on their own (because, after all, they dont personally LIKE each other), the highschool team would win. That's because part of winning means getting over yourself and looking past incredibly stupid differences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3J9hmCLmvg&feature=related - foward to 2:40 and listen very, very carefully. For those of you with hearing problems: "An army, is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap." - because if you need cover fire, you shouldn't have to worry about whether you'll get it or not because this morning you and your foxhole mate had an argument about ObamaCare. Likewise, when you have a deadline to meet, you DO NOT need to wonder if your teammate is going to forward you the documents you need to complete the project on time because you got in a pissing match over LowYat the night before.

Simper fi.


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Page 4 Dreamer: (Addressing Debbie) YOU are NOT listening and reading very well. Do a search on all her posts. Then, ask yourself a SIMPLE question, is this a person that is achieving her goal?? In her own judgment, she had failed. And, she is NOT HAPPY.

◘ Now here's where I winced. Dreamer, um... do a search on all her posts? .......... no thanks.

And so what if she failed and isn't happy? Dude you dont know who she is.

>> Now, if a person had failed in her own career but has the AUDACITY to tell people how to do their job, teach, manage some others, we call that kind of people STUPID!!

◘ I dont think so. Successful people have failed many, many times. I mean you said that somewhere in this thread, if I recall. You fail, and you keep trying. Failure is the best teacher there is. She didn't agree with you, but here again is that knee-jerk reaction to really coming down on someone because they disagreed. It kinda makes you look authoritarian. What you said on the main topic is still correct, but your reaction here is a bit overkill.

>> In order for someone to TEACH, a person needs to know the material. Will you asked someone that is lousy in English to teach you English?? That is common sense.

◘ But I dont think you can compare being lousy at English to having failed in business.

>> For example, WHY would anyone taking lesson from people on how to manage people when the person has NEVER manage anyone??

◘ But that's not the case here. It's more like someone who HAS managed people, lots of times, failed lots of times, kept trying, got better and better, and probably came on here to voice their frustrations during the learning process. I think you would otherwise praise this, in fact... but she disagreed with you so you're attacking it instead.

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Page 5 Dreamer: I am NOT PAID to teach you. A basic COMMON COURTESY is say "Thank You" to someone that help you in some fashion. But, what do I get from you instead?? And, what does this SAY about YOU?? And, what kind of person that you are??

◘ Um, ok... thanks? I'll be sure to thank you for each and every post you make. After all, it's free... and you're definitely not coming off as being pushy or anything.

>> The TRUTH is rich people do not become rich by aiming to be rich. That is the SIDE BENEFIT. Their AIM is to be ABOVE AVERAGE aka THE BEST in their chosen career / business. Becoming rich is the unintended benefits. They are having so much fun in their job / business that money is IRRELEVANT.

◘ Back on track! Yes, I completely agree!!!

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Page 5 Meruchan: I agree. People who work with passion and interest will gradually develop the knack of it and become skilled and could then demand a higher pay for it. Yes I agree with this but theres nothing wrong to people who are average. If there's no average people, you can't be the best. If everyone is good at what they dO, this will result in stiff competition.

I dont know dreamer but the way you're presenting this whole thing is kinda focus on how to get rich. And how average people are just losers.

◘ If we lived in a world where everyone took responsibility for their situations and tried to be the best at what they do, we would live on a planet FULL of Einsteins, Newtons, Washingtons, Lincolns, and Mahatirs, and we would have colonized every planet orbiting every star visible in the night sky, and probably cured every disease by now.

The average person just "accepts" what he has and tells himself he cant do anything about it. I'm sorry but yea, that's a real loser right there! That's what Dreamer's getting at I think. No one has to be that way. And it's flawed to think that there's only a limited amount of pie to go around. If everyone pushed to achieve, and took on the role of WINNER, then our world would be nothing but winners.

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Page 4 howszat: So that makes your thread topic contradictory, and actually out of topic.

If the way you want to live your life is to be average, why worry about whether you are rich or not, and what other people think?

◘ If you're genuinely happy with what you have, truly and honestly, and simply dont care if you get more beyond what you have now, then you're not really what we're referring to when we say "average".

The average guy wants more, but instead of trying, finds that it's easier to sit and whine about wanting more. Buddha for example, had nothing, but was totally cool with that. Buddha wasn't average, he was a winner, but in a winner in a different way. What gets on my nerves it people who underachieve and settle for less, meaning they'll always HAVE less, make excuses for not trying, and try to pass it off as being somehow pious or closer to enlightenment. In fact, that's one reason I left Buddhism - but that's another topic for another thread on another board.


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Page 5 Debbiesyy: 1. If you have been giving tuition, if you have been teaching all these years, you will find out that there are teachers holding forged certificates, teaching piano, giving tuitions. If you happen to meet a person who teach without proper qualification, that is COMMON. There are many people buy degree cert and apply jobs nowadays! But I don't share my views without prior real life experiences.

2. If you see my posts showing hatred emotion that can also mean I am telling the fact in this world. Why must you think it's happening to me? Even if I am complaining now doesn't mean that I will sit there and do nothing to breakthrough.

3. My boss has lousy and nasty temper though she is in her 50s now, Senior Manager position, she's trying to teach me the way she handles things but NONE of her teachings work on me. There are many different ways to get things done, everyone has his own way, I believe; with her way of doing things (yell at people to convince others; interrupt people's conversations whenever people sharing opinions so no one can go against her will; fast to judge and slow to listen etc), it makes someone looks "ugly" and unprofessional. I have the choice to choose and I will choose to be the best - be a nice person and able to get things done.

◘ Ok, that's true.


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Page 5 Jancrot: However, can you convince me that "Those unsuccessful chicken rice seller won't do the same thing like the successful one does?"
I will put an extreme example here: Let's say that the business of SuperGreatCompany Sdn Bhd grows on UnluckyPoorCompany Sdn Bhd loss. Will you still say the same thing? As SuperGreatCompany employee, will you slow down your business on behalf of helping UnluckyPoorCompany? I bet you won't. A communist will do so, will you?

◘ I'm not sure if you're getting how this works.

Why does SGC grow on UPC's loss? It's because SGC is serving the customer BETTER, giving them better service with better treatment at lower prices. Remember no one's forcing the customer to spend his money here or there. The customer decides totally and completely on his own WHERE and HOW he'll spend his money to increase his happiness. So if UPC wanted to STOP losing customers, there's a number of things they could do. Motivated by possibly going out of business forever, they might find out the cause of losing customers, then fix that problem.

Maybe UPC has roaches all over the floor and crawling through the food. Maybe their washroom hasn't cleaned, or its broken - has been used - and doesn't flush. Maybe they give foreigners the "white guy price". Maybe they mix their soap bottles with water so they dont have to buy more soap. Does any of this sound like, oh I dont know... ANY MALAYSIAN MAMAK PLACES YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN LATELY??? If an International chain opens up next door, and they lose business, Its. Their. Own. Fault.

You must compete with people who are better than you. This means you must improve. When you improve, you win. Your competitor now has more competition because you improved, and will now stay on top of his game, keeping himself in sharper and in better condition - so he wins. The customers get ever better and better services, prices, and innovations from both companies. So basically, EVERYONE WINS.

>> As an Asian,

◘ Oh brother here we go...

>> I know exactly that this is cruel.

◘ Yep, goddam straight. I should be allowed to sit and not do a damn thing to improve my business but still get customers. If a competitor opens up next door, then by god I shouldn't have to sweep my goddam floor if I dont want to! Customers dont like it? THEY HAVE TO COME ANYWAY!!! If they dont, it's cruel! That other business is doing better than me and growing on my loss. CRUEL, CRUEL WORLD!!!

>> But that's business. Furthermore, that's competition and even further, that's Evolution. Natural selection. The fittest and the one most responsive to change wins.

◘ Right, so, um... how is that cruel? Oh wait, your Asian. My Mat Salleh vision doesn't pick up imagined cruelty, sorry.


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Page 6 Howszat: You haven't told us how much time you wasted on all the other handbooks/manuals you read in your life with no returns at all.

>> That's what you saved 20 years ago. How much have you saved since then? Since you haven't said anything, the answer means you have wasted all your time reading manuals for the last 20 years.

◘ I'm not sure what you were trying to prove here. We've already agreed that there simply are no guarantees with anything we do in life. I may go to college for 8 years to study audio cassette engineering. When I graduate, CD players now dominate the market. My 8 years of college was for nothing. I wasted all my time and money on that.

But that's how it works. I didn't KNOW before I took the investment of time and money whether or not this particular career path was going to pay off. I took the risk. Risk is an inextricable part of the free market. This risk may pay off, and when it does, then I'm set for life. When it doesn't, I'm ruined. What are you trying to prove by asking how much time we invest that doesn't pay off?

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGWckoIv0jk&feature=related - its less than 2 minutes long and explains what I'm saying.

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Page 7 Dreamer: 3) When I was in college, for 6 years, I slept on the average of 4 hours per day. I studied at 167% of full-time student course load plus work 2 part-time jobs at 40 hours per week.

>> So, are you saying that after 40 years old, a person could still work at the SAME PACE??

◘ I think the guy you're saying this to had a point. George Foreman won the world heavyweight championship in his 40s. Dr Hatfield set a powerlifting record of 1,014 pound squat, in his 40s. Bill Pearl won professional bodybuilding contests in his 50s. So yea, it's very possible a 40 or 50+ year old could keep the same pace.

>> 5) Complacency!!! You ASSUME that average people can survive.. Common disease in Malaysia.

◘ But actually... average people do survive. They survive all the time. But this thread isn't meant to encourage people to survive, it's meant to encourage them to THRIVE.

>> 6) Most people do not spend time figure this (Competitive Advantage ) out to begin. They ASSUME that they have NONE.

◘ His point was, what if we dont have a competitive advantage. While it's true that lots of people dont figure out what their advantage is, I was going to comment on an alternative option... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ocean_Strategy . Sometimes you dont need a competitive advantage... you just need innovation, and a niche.

And if you dont have competitiveness or innovation, or the motivation to find either, please get out of the gene pool. Thanks.

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Page 7 3dassets: I don't get this, if die fighting before achieving anything is not successful, just nobody and known as failure only successful and enjoying the luxury are somebody. If spent 30 years to achieve a goal at 100% effort also means no life because the so called life only begin at 50, I've lost 23 years and 7 years before 50, I live for today & tomorrow than to devote my last chance to live a young and healthy life while I can because money cannot buy what was lost.

◘ Again, risk is an inherent factor in everything we do. If your life strategy is to forget the future and enjoy the time you have now because you dont want to face uncertainty... well that sounds like the ant and the grasshopper to me (hope Malaysians know that reference).


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Page 8 3dassets: Dreamer101, have you forgotten you told someone that you are retiring in a few years?

◘ I dont get what Dreamer's age has to do with anything. Way too many posts on here dedicated to that. It doesn't matter.


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Page 8 PenangLaksa: Rich dad and poor dad thinks completely the opposite of what dreamer thinks. unsure.gif
http://www.wikisummaries.org/Rich_Dad,_Poor_Dad

◘ The book actually agrees exactly with what Dreamer has been saying.

This post has been edited by Kasey Brown: Aug 29 2011, 10:39 PM

[quote=pUpUnOOb,Aug 29 2011, 08:50 PM]
Bill Gate and Warren Buffet donate out 90+% of their assets. Are they selfish??

They are MORE GENEROUS than most Poor People.

[/quote]
they are dam rich...d poor can AFFORD to be generous...isnt it an unfair comparison

[/quote]
Rich people make the rules, wealth can buy all the luxurious things in life because eat, sleep and shit is boring, so, average people spend majority of a lifetime working to enrich the wealthy. Average people is important to the rich, otherwise who will do the dirty jobs? Imagine a rich man telling his workers to be above average and they supposed to quite their job and do something else?

The rich man won't teach his worker how to be above average nor dream to be rich, but want to feel noble and tell it to strangers in a forum / kopitiam / restaurant / bup... loh.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 29 2011, 10:35 PM

Apologist

its not apologizing...lol

You were defending via argument to justify your stance.

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Added on August 29, 2011, 10:40 pmNope...not all rich people are selfish pricks

My rich bosses were good humble people, who always tells us not to be dinosaurs and get left behind, but excel in our careers and life. I learned alot of business skills from them. When i jumped out to start my own business, they were happy, but sad they lost a good long serving employee...but we still stay in touch and they still contract my services on and off.

Please, do not judge anyone, especially not Dreamer101.

Let those with eyes see, and ears listen. Do not be like those that look but do not see, those that hear but not listen, who will be drowned in their own ignorance forever whining and complaining the world is unfair to them.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Aug 29 2011, 10:40 PM

[quote=3dassets,Aug 29 2011, 10:34 PM]
they are dam rich...d poor can AFFORD to be generous...isnt it an unfair comparison[/color]

[/quote]
Imagine a rich man telling his workers to be above average and they supposed to quite their job and do something else?

The rich man won't teach his worker how to be above average nor dream to be rich, but want to feel noble and tell it to strangers in a forum / kopitiam / restaurant / bup... loh.

[/quote]

Ok we need to spend a little more time on this.

The rich man DOES need to tell his works to become BETTER than average. Because when they do...

1. They will figure out ways to build machines that do the dirty jobs for them.

2. They'll figure out a way to produce less waste, so there's fewer dirty jobs.

3. They'll figure out ways to increase efficiency, so the dirty jobs get done in less time.

When the workers start acting like their work makes a difference, then their work DOES make a difference!

And once again, everyone wins.

[quote=Kasey Brown,Aug 29 2011, 10:45 PM]
Imagine a rich man telling his workers to be above average and they supposed to quite their job and do something else?

The rich man won't teach his worker how to be above average nor dream to be rich, but want to feel noble and tell it to strangers in a forum / kopitiam / restaurant / bup... loh.

[/quote]

Ok we need to spend a little more time on this.

The rich man DOES need to tell his works to become BETTER than average. Because when they do...

1. They will figure out ways to build machines that do the dirty jobs for them.

2. They'll figure out a way to produce less waste, so there's fewer dirty jobs.

3. They'll figure out ways to increase efficiency, so the dirty jobs get done in less time.

When the workers start acting like their work makes a difference, then their work DOES make a difference!

And once again, everyone wins.

[/quote]
This positive mentality created corporate giants, still, nothing is as efficient and dirty jobs just got transferred to the less significant average people like cheap labor, if it is that simple, we have a much better world to day than never ending conflicts and I don't agree with such a title, to me it is wrong similar to "stupid people are not smart".

@Kasey Brown, I will reply you since you're putting up comments in a well manner.


My meaning is not that I will reject his teaching despite his knowledge is accurate.

I am trying to say if I want to improve, and to be success, I will go for a teacher that has good temper. I might want to ask many questions in order to understand a simple theory or formula, can the teacher explains to me until I fully understand? Will he be forcing me to follow his study method which doesn't suit me? Or will this teacher notice the learning method that suits me and apply it on me?

For an AVERAGE teacher (eg. poor interpersonal skill, inflexible teaching methods) I will listen to what he teaches (in terms of technical knowledge etc, eg. E-MC2), and I hope the way he explains, examples he uses are easy to understand; but I will not go further and learn from him when I found out he doesn't respect students.

Many forumers question me about this "good teacher VS bad teacher" theology but I choose not to reply because they have been judging me wrongly without asking me few more questions to understand what I am trying to say actually. These people only want to debate for the sake to win; they don't know how to listen, even if they judge, they don't care to know if they are judging it correctly or wrongly.

I hope I have answered your question.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Aug 29 2011, 11:55 PM

Debbieyss

There are types of leadership as such "charismatic" and "transformational". A leader that had attitude of charismatic will not suit to lead u by example.

Personally, I used to be a charismatic style to my subordinate. Now I had diverse to be "transformational" style to manage my subordinate. Listen and understand, and not forced.

Great thread; it is very informative. (Thumbs up.)

I, for one, do not care (nor give a darn) about "petty" issues such as personality, manners, attitude, and (or) character when it come to a sharing of knowledge and (or) information. (I will appreciate it no matter how in the manner was it delivered to me.)

Like has been mentioned back in this thread just a few pages back; it is even more "prolific" to be having someone who is outright rude, blunt, and (or) harsh; that shares good knowledge & information, than someone who is "so-called" polite, well-mannered, and (or) diplomatic; who does not provide useful information nor share knowledge at all...

For me, this also applies to the lecturers in college/university as well. (Which happened.)


Other than that, the main topic as well as most of the "good/informative" posts in this thread are all pretty much self-explanatory to me.


Nevertheless, there is a challenge;

"Would you rather lead a life that is simple (which will just get you to an average amount of wealth), but one that is happy, relaxed, healthy, good quality (lifestyle), satisfactory, & meaningful to you, OR would you rather lead a life that is "complex" (which will bring you to a rich & successful path), but one that is demanding, stressful, challenging, fast-paced, unhealthy, full of strive & division, tension, and with little to no time for entertainment, relaxation, and (or) family...???

Your take... (Discuss...)

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Aug 30 2011, 02:18 AM

[quote=pUpUnOOb,Aug 29 2011, 08:50 PM]
Bill Gate and Warren Buffet donate out 90+% of their assets. Are they selfish??

They are MORE GENEROUS than most Poor People.

[/quote]
they are dam rich...d poor can AFFORD to be generous...isnt it an unfair comparison

[/quote]

pUpUnOOb,

That is a bunch of BS.

There are poor people out there that are GENEROUS too.

Generosity has nothing to do with how rich a person is.

Dreamer

Dreamer 101 is right.

People, who gives a sh*t if you are starving and living in poverty?

Everybody knows you'll get out of your hole when you start fighting for it.

Stop giving excuses. You may get help, but if self-help is not there, you can continue WHINING on how you weren't born with superior genes, and start blaming on the world for your mishaps.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 30 2011, 04:51 AM

Benjamin911,

WHY do you have to get caught up in DUALITY??

If a person doing a jobs that they LOVE, they will be HAPPY. A happy person will be more productive and lead to higher income and more wealth. Conversely, a person that is WEALTHY has the FREEDOM to decide if and when how much that they want to work. Average person does not have the choice.

Once, I told my employer that I want to work from home for a few years. If they do not accept that, I will quit. They let me worked at home and spent more time with my family. I slowed down my career path because of that. But, I had the FREEDOM to do stuff like that.

Ditto, I took a lower paying job because I prefer the work that I am doing now. I do not need the money. I can afford the pay cut. This is FREEDOM..

Money is a good servant but a lousy master. Money is just a TOOL to get what you want. YOU decide what to do with your money.

Dreamer

I somehow agreed with what you said - many types of leaders.

I believe a good leader is not only charismatic, he is also transformational. I have met this kind of leaders in my life.

The first one is my Assistant of Student Affiars in my secondary school, second one is my Modern Maths Teacher, a male teacher; third one is my lecturer who taught Secretarial Duties.

You have generalize average, simple life can earn the amount of wealth to live happy, relaxed, healthy, good quality (lifestyle), satisfactory, & meaningful. I chose the other route and wasted, that is why dreamer101 says those over 40 is too late, why too late? Or did he mean too bad?

Why can't there be a guarantee in career like study and reach PhD based on ability than risk wasted efforts and 20 years of a life time? I never failed to make progress in self improvement but why is there limit in career and hamper by circumstantial luck. How much do you know about luck that became fate to dismiss its influence?

Folks,

If you believe that a person can live a simple average ENOUGH life, I am sorry to tell you that this is NOT happening. In fact, with globalization and increased competition, the MIDDLE is getting crushed. In the middle, the salary increase cannot keep up with inflation. Hence, they are sliding down to be poor.

There are very little stability too. In your generation, on the average, you will change jobs and / or career at least 10 times before you retired. Then, you will most likely have long period of unemployment and under-employment.

Read and look around in job and career forum. You see excessive amount of whining.. How many of those so called AVERAGE THINKING people is HAPPY?? They are NOT HAPPY with their current situation. But, instead of changing their ATTITUDE and MENTALITY to seek improvement, they WHINE instead. They blame it on everything else. Instead of asking a SIMPLE QUESTION, "what can I do??".

I been through many rounds of layoff. And, every time, I heard people complain about their loans and mortgages. My question to them was SIMPLE. If you REALLY do not like your loan and mortgages, why don't you do something about that?? Skip your Starbuck's at least once per week. Save that money to pay off the loan quicker. Then, they start BS about how many years that will take and so on. More whining.. My answer to them is if you do NOTHING, it will not get better.

ATTITUDE and MENTALITY. Start to THINK differently. Then, your life will change.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 30 2011, 07:18 PM

+1 to dreamer101


In simple words, be a REACHER.. not a settler. With that mindset, you are good to go. Only those that are willing to reach out and claim what is rightfully theirs achieve greatness in life.

A personal note to dreamer:
A thanks is in order to dreamer101. I have PM-ed you previously in the past and you have kindly guided me the appropriate methods to get what I deserve and I took your advice.

I'm very young in my career at the moment but I can honestly say I am HAPPY WITH MY JOB AND MY RENUMERATION as of this stage. Dont get me wrong that just because I'm happy I'm going to settle. I am happy for the moment. I am going to continue reaching out for what is rightfully mine.

Thanks and my deepest gratitude to you. CHEERS !

Regards,
Kelvin Tan

kelvin_tan,

Thank you for your appreciation..

That provide an easier and simpler explanation to what I am trying to say.

Dreamer

@ 3dassets

>> This positive mentality created corporate giants, still, nothing is as efficient and dirty jobs just got transferred to the less significant average people like cheap labor,

◘ As we've already covered in this thread, some people are happy with the dirt jobs. They get paid based on what their labor is worth. If they want more than minimum wage, then they need a job that requires more skill or risk. This may require investment in time or the chance of losing something. Not everyone wants to spend time learning a skill that would get them more money later. These people would PREFER the dirt jobs over the time and effort to earn a degree, or the risk of starting a business. They're happy enough with what they have.

Any such person, at any time - especially now in the information age - is capable of choosing a higher career path. No one is "keeping them down". The boss will encourage everyone to be the best they can be, be above average, become more than they are now. Some people will respond, take the investment of time and effort, or the risk of loss, and end up contributing more and gaining more in return. Some will not. Those that dont should make sure they're happy with what they've got.

What we're against in this thread is people who settle for less because they believe they CANT get more. That's bull. They would LIKE to be better but live in a world of imagined boundaries. We're telling them those boundaries are, indeed, imagined. That they can break out of them any time they choose.

>> if it is that simple, we have a much better world to day

◘ But it *IS* true. People aren't doing it because they "cant" and the whole thing is just a big lie. As I've said, people put themselves inside imaginary boundaries. They believe they cant, when they actually can. They live a mediocre life when they dont have to. They accept less and go around depressed thinking they cant have more, when they CAN. Because when they have more, it means they're contributing more, building more, doing more, employing more, innovating more. Everyone wins if we can convince people that they can WIN! It's all about attitude.

@ Debbie

>> I am trying to say if I want to improve, and to be success, I will go for a teacher that has good temper. I might want to ask many questions in order to understand a simple theory or formula, can the teacher explains to me until I fully understand? Will he be forcing me to follow his study method which doesn't suit me? Or will this teacher notice the learning method that suits me and apply it on me?

◘ Hm. Ok then.

@ Benjamin911

>> I, for one, do not care (nor give a darn) about "petty" issues such as personality, manners, attitude, and (or) character when it come to a sharing of knowledge and (or) information. (I will appreciate it no matter how in the manner was it delivered to me.)

◘ Ah! I've got JUST the teacher for you then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfZ4Jj09Fc&feature=related (I'm actually fond of this teaching method, btw, though I know most people wont like it)

>> "Would you rather lead a life that is simple (which will just get you to an average amount of wealth), but one that is happy, relaxed, healthy, good quality (lifestyle), satisfactory, & meaningful to you, OR would you rather lead a life that is "complex" (which will bring you to a rich & successful path), but one that is demanding, stressful, challenging, fast-paced, unhealthy, full of strive & division, tension, and with little to no time for entertainment, relaxation, and (or) family...???

◘ This reminds me of a passage I once read in The Art of War. It talked about how you, as a War Lord, must understand that peasants only see what they have now. They only care about what comes tomorrow, that they'll still have their jobs, still earn their meager income, and still have food they can provide their families. That's why THEY are peasants, and YOU are the War Lord! You've chosen your path, with all the responsibilities and difficulties, but also with all the glory and privilege.

Benjamen Franklin wrote that a man can increase his happiness in 2 ways - by learning to be happy with what he's got, or by getting more. Thomas Paine wrote something similar when he compared the North American Red Indian to the white people. He commented on how the Indians has nothing... yet none of them were "impoverished", or poor.

For me, I'd take the path of the War Lord. But being a peasant has it's perks. Again, what we're against is the gloomy doomy dummies who walk around wishing they COULD, but thinking they CANT.

Back @ 3dassets

>> Why can't there be a guarantee in career like study and reach PhD based on ability than risk wasted efforts and 20 years of a life time? I never failed to make progress in self improvement but why is there limit in career and hamper by circumstantial luck. How much do you know about luck that became fate to dismiss its influence?

◘ Sir, there's a risk in everything you do. There's a risk you'll step outside and get hit by a meteor.

Some things are riskier than others. Starting your own coffee shop is a huge risk. You have no idea if the idea will take off, but the people at StarBucks took that risk and it paid off. Behind them are dozens of other coffee shops that took the risk and failed. Going to college and earning a PhD actually is a LOT less risky than starting your own shop. There's a very big chance that you'll get at least some employment in your field of expertise, but that's still not 100% because nothing in life is 100%. Like in my case, if you studied kinesiology for the last 10 years like I have... then you live in a country where very few people have any interest in fitness or exercise, well you're out of luck. Your 10 years of intensive study get you nowhere. That's a risk I took, and I lost out, even though it was still much less risky than a lot of other things.

Average people is more than risk takers, young graduates whine not getting jobs or under paid is because they and their parents expect better after many years of investment, tuition fees and efforts to get multi "A"s as publicized every year. Soon, their proud faces are hampered by low value job and no career advancement condition.

Every student hope to acquire a good career after the University and assume they are not among the average, the qualification is part of the risk too if can't benefit from it. They have done the part they can manage but subject to the unknown when seeking jobs, why middle income is sliding into the poor? Because The rich created low wage value. Anyone who come across dreamer101 remember he said Malaysia is doomed in a few years, so we can expect those who read this thread to have done something by then to avoid what he had predicted.

So, you too should go abroad while you can according to dreamer101's rationale, consider yourself lucky loh, me he said too late.
I lost two rounds, 10 years with conventional art material, another 12 years in full computerized work flow, I was 31, wasn't too late back then and computer is expected to be apart of our lives sooner or later, guess it didn't prosper because Malaysian are slow to catch up with computerize business but smart phone gadgets.

dreamer101 said I made a crucial mistake to remain in this doom country in one of his 5 rules, if only I can speak proper English and buy a one way ticket to the USA and manage to pass their immigration, then work illegally. Perhaps my luck would be different or would it? He is insulting not only the average but those who tried and failed, apparently not as smart as him who don't need luck, ever heard of no luck if not bad luck?

How many things can one cater in a few hours personal time a day? I have yet to see any teaching and buddies came to praise him like direct selling already.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 31 2011, 01:59 AM

Folks,

MOI

M = Motivation

O = Organization

I = Innovation

To be DIFFERENT and ABOVE AVERAGE, you need a "Leap of Faith". You do not know whether your additional effort will matter or not. But, you are willing to try on FAITH. So, you change your MENTALITY and ATTITUDE.

When you face a problem and / or challenge, instead of looking at what you CANNOT DO, you ask what you "Can Do". Even if you cannot do anything now, you ask what you can do in future.

Every time, you SUCCEEDED in achieving a small success on this new ATTITUDE, you write it down. This motivates you further. Eventually, this becomes part of you. This is M = Motivation

O = Organization. This applies to environment / habit. You creates a set of environment / habit / procedure to keep you going. For example, you want to have better English, you read a few pages of a book everyday. Ditto, you want more money, you save RM1 per day. Make it into a habit. Hence, it is fully automatic.

Ditto, stay away from WHINERS!!

I = Innovation. How to find a better way to improve?? Can you think better?? How to learn faster?? Beside solving problem, how to solve problem faster?? Why some people can see and think better?? How can I learn from them??

Besides learning, learn how to learn. Learn how to think.

Try doing thing differently, find a different way.

http://www.betterworldbooks.com/

Some people talked about poor and hungry people in Africa. I buy books from this web site. They donate their earning to help literacy in Africa. I save money. They help people. It is a win-win situation.

Dreamer

Folks,

Question:


Can I learn to be SMARTER??

A) No, you are BORN to be either to be SMART Or DUMB. You cannot be smarter.

B) Since you are not Einstein, Bill Gate, and whatever, why bother to try since you can NEVER be the SMARTEST??

C) Yes, I can learn to be SMARTER and BETTER than what I am now. I just want IMPROVEMENT and I want to be BETTER. I may or may not be the SMARTEST in the world but that is IRRELEVANT. As long as I improve everyday, I will get BETTER and I will be much BETTER in the future.

What are YOUR ANSWER to this question??

Dreamer