I somehow agree with maverick to some extend. fate and luck (right time) do play some important roles in someone life if someone is not an aggressive person like you. Maybe I am not such a proactive and aggressive person like you who believe everything you gain is by your own hand. I think is because everyone have different fate, characteristics and life experience thus different POV and different thoughts. thats all...

I somehow can see that you are a early mature type of person. Not everyone is like that right. You have tons of PLANS since your college time. but most people (maybe you will say average people) only enjoy their life during college. Most people make friends in college is so that they can share their happiness and sadness. But for you, in your mindset, you make friends is so that you can widen your social network? is it tired to live with that mindset?




This post has been edited by waxppl: Aug 28 2011, 12:30 AM

waxppl,

You do not get IT!!

You cannot control FATE and LUCK. You can ONLY control what you do.

So, the QUESTION is VERY SIMPLE.

A) Do you CHOOSE to control what you do in order to give yourself the BEST SHOT of being successful??

B) Or, you don't??

You could fail either ways. But, I would rather fail trying than REGRET later on whether I did my best.

<<who believe everything you gain is by your own hand.>>

No, I do not believe that. I just believe in doing the best that I can all the time in order to give me the BEST SHOT in life.

Dreamer

Everybody is born with different intelligence. The level of intelligence, together with innate character will determine a person's financial future. You cannot force a person to improve beyond their given capability. Some have the intelligence but the time is not right. Given some time, through the test of time, experiences are gained, and the possibility of improvement present itself. If you accept the fact that not everybody has the ability to excel in any field, then you must accept the fact that people are not born equal and that differences in intelligence, capability and "fate" exist. These are not their faults and cannot be corrected. They can certainly improve but not everybody will excel or become above average. If everybody can become above average, they will become average again. Think about it. I respect your view. You may consider to see my point of view.

<<I just believe in doing the best that I can all the time in order to give me the BEST SHOT in life.>>

With this i think you do know that what we can do is only try our very very best. At the end of the day, LUCK does count. I said that because previously you said <<LUCK/fate has nothing to do with this>> which i don't agree

Maverick2011,

<<You cannot force a person to improve beyond their given capability.>>

How do you know a person's capability??

You don't. Only they do.

And, you cannot force anybody to do anything anyhow. It is THEIR CHOICE.

<<If you accept the fact that not everybody has the ability to excel in any field,>>

Who ask everybody to excel in any field??

A person ONLY has to be ABOVE AVERAGE in their CHOSEN field.

<<If everybody can become above average, they will become average again.>>

Not everybody will be ABOVE AVERAGE because not everyone is willing to put in the EFFORT to be ABOVE AVERAGE in one field.

<<You may consider to see my point of view.>>

Your POV helps NO ONE.. So, why bother?? It just keep people WHINING instead of finding way to improve themselves. We do not need more WHINERS.

We should throw away POV that is NOT useful. Only keep those that are useful. That is MY POINT. If a person wants to be ABOVE AVERAGE and RICH, a person has to THINK differently. On the other hand, if a person wants to stay average, they can keep their old thinking.

Dreamer

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Added on August 28, 2011, 1:58 amwaxppl,

<<you said <<LUCK/fate has nothing to do with this>> which i don't agree >>

THIS refers to whether a person will read my thread in jobs and career forum before they pick their degree or course.

In this particular instance, LUCK has NOTHING to do with this.

A) If a person CARES about their future career, they will do the research and hence read stuff in jobs and career forum BEFORE they pick their degree.

B) Most people DO NOT CARE or NOT WILLING to put in the effort to find out before they pick their degree.

(A) and (B) has NOTHING to do with LUCK. It is a person's ATTITUDE and MENTALITY that determine whether they will find the RIGHT THING. Most people are TOO LAZY to seek. Hence, they find NOTHING. Hardworking people find more stuff and opportunities.

This is NOT LUCK. It is PERFECTLY controllable and predictable.

Dreamer




This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 28 2011, 01:58 AM

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Added on August 28, 2011, 1:58 am

waxppl,

<<you said <<LUCK/fate has nothing to do with this>> which i don't agree >>

THIS refers to whether a person will read my thread in jobs and career forum before they pick their degree or course.

In this particular instance, LUCK has NOTHING to do with this.

A) If a person CARES about their future career, they will do the research and hence read stuff in jobs and career forum BEFORE they pick their degree.

B) Most people DO NOT CARE or NOT WILLING to put in the effort to find out before they pick their degree.

(A) and (B) has NOTHING to do with LUCK. It is a person's ATTITUDE and MENTALITY that determine whether they will find the RIGHT THING. Most people are TOO LAZY to seek. Hence, they find NOTHING. Hardworking people find more stuff and opportunities.

This is NOT LUCK. It is PERFECTLY controllable and predictable.

Dreamer

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oh i misunderstood. i thought u were saying ur successful life has nothing to do with luck. Yea for this 2 instance luck has nothing to do with it. Anyway LUCK is actually not my main point in that previous post. I was trying to tell those who happened to choose the wrong degree don't freak out if they read the thread. Whether right or wrong, they have made their choice and have to continue. Since it was meant to be, it might turns out right

For example, I think especially many engineers out there, they might choose the course because of 3 reasons: name, money, or parents. In the end, they will see that they actually don't have any passion in engineering...

waxppl,

<< For example, I think especially many engineers out there, they might choose the course because of 3 reasons: name, money, or parents. In the end, they will see that they actually don't have any passion in engineering...>>

More than that, AVERAGE PEOPLE pick an area because it is HOT. It is NOT that they can excel in that area. Hence, they are getting nowhere in their career and/or business.

Plus, most people hop around from one hot area to another. Hence, they never FOCUS to be ABOVE AVERAGE in any area.

On the other hand, this also meant that it is NOT HARD for a person to be ABOVE AVERAGE in their chosen area. But, they have to CHOOSE WISELY, FOCUS, and EXECUTE.

Dreamer

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be athletes like professional tenis,soccer,golf player if want to be rich.
Tiger woods if doesn't have father who taught him since 3 yrs old, I doubt he will become he is now!

be petroleum engineer to suck money dry from the earth la..

Materazzi,

Here we go again....

AVERAGE PEOPLE's thinking.. Chasing HOT area without THINKING whether they can EXCEL in that area....

My cousin did not even enter high school.. SRJK© education only. Now, he is rich.

<<be athletes like professional tenis,soccer,golf player if want to be rich.>>

He is NOT in any of those area. But, he worked in Palm Oil business long enough that he can look at the Palm Oil tree and tell you what kind and how old the tree is.

Dreamer

To certain extend, I agree with few forumer on one view which is luck.
Your cousin has been working in Palm Oil for so long to the extend he knows in/out of the business.
In the beginning, what does your cousin do before entering into Palm Oil business?
Side question, is your cousin doing business in Malaysia or Indonesia?

To become rich in monetary, luck do play a role sometimes.
Example like your case which you found the Texas law which allow you to pursue tuition fee waiver.
If no luck, there is a chance that you will not find the Texas law. Agree?

To become rich in monetary, attitude play a crucial role.
Example like your case which you put all the efforts in order to get waiver in your tuition fees.

Now back to dreamer101 main point,
1) Find out what you are. Your answer is Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator

2) INVEST on yourself to be VERY GOOD in the area that YOUR STRENGTH will be appreciated.
Agree on this view!

3) To succeed, it requires 3 key element but I would like to add one more element
- Motivation
- Talent / Temperament
- Environment / Industry
- Luck

Maybe i can say like that. Dreamer is LUCKY (can i?) because he is born with a non-average mindset or born in an environment that force him to have many thinking in his young age. Thus he is an early mature kind of person with plans and thoughts. For him, luck don't play important role because he is aggressive and proactive with what he want. he chase after his target with plans and aggressive attitude. thus he dun see luck does help him or any other person a lot. hence with different background, characteristics, and growing environment, people have different POV.

This post has been edited by waxppl: Aug 28 2011, 01:03 PM

That is not LUCK.

If they did not put 101% in their effort:

a) Dreamer's cousin will not succeed in his business even his in the RIGHT time, RIGHT place or he meet the RIGHT person who might help him in his business. Because he is NOT PREPARED to take his 1st step in his business. OPPORTUNITY just fly out from his hand because he not yet PREPARED to grab it.

b) Dreamer may have not found out the TEXAS law if he not mentally PREPARED to search and study all the law books in the library. In other words he need to make sure he UNDERSTAND what he needs and he will do anything to make sure he PREPARE for the challenge.

That is my POV.

i think u missed the last part of his post. he did clarified at the end that LUCK is only 1 of the elements to be succeed but not the only element.

if dreamer's cousin not in the right time then no use.
warren buffett said if he is born before 1930 he will be a farmer

Despite doing all the right things but got involved in road accident and went into coma, if it is not bad luck, must be fate. Wasted all your parent's money and then died.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 28 2011, 02:37 PM

thanks a lot..

true..but you can evade the accident by not go by car.
hecttor cuper always runner up

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Added on August 28, 2011, 4:54 pmpep guardiola is lucky to have dream team in barca.
van gogh unlucky in his life.
mozart just lived for 30s yrs
aryton senna in his glory
and many more.

This post has been edited by Materazzi: Aug 28 2011, 04:54 PM

will that make me selfish?

If it is fate, how to know when to evade?
Tiger Wood's father must have know his son will become rich but Donald Trump have to make mistakes to learn, why Hitler fail to conquer the world and Japan did not find out what is atom bomb? The world know about economic recession but it still happen?

Since dreamer101 says its TOO LATE for people who are over 40, should I go die? He also said Malaysian economy is doomed in a few years, how to evade?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 28 2011, 05:33 PM

Yeah..You were right..I missed that part..

But i just want to stress that luck happens when that person which UNPREPARED suddenly find himself an opportunity that he can't miss.. And I don't find any element of LUCK in the situation that dreamer and his cousin encountered.

Yeah..Warren Buffet will be a farmer..A successful farmer or average farmer perhaps?

I assume that you let your fate to decide what your life will be since you were born..Am I correct?