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 ❤ LYN Proton INSPIRA: Owners/Fan Thread V7 ❤, SMART GUYS GET IT! | Got yours yet?

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XCInspire
post Jul 4 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Jul 4 2011, 09:45 AM)
when he understands he will appreciate the concept of CVT more...we were once a blur sotong on CVT...so we are all here to share info & better understand the beast we all bought..don't feel bad and have ill feelings towards each other...just like Matrix don't mind being called a daredevil already....kekeke
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Ya.. we were once wondering why the car like so slow in pick up.. like no kick... but mana tau speed sudah capai 140... and still going.... Yes, Matrix has got the fever... the daredevil in him can no longer be suppressed anymore... The beast has unleashed it... Enjoy your ride Matrix, tell us more speed escapades...


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post Jul 4 2011, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Jul 4 2011, 08:49 AM)
when you put it to D, technically it is 1st gear but CVT do not have gears ..they run on diff ratios all the time & this is where you got confused thinking you get from 0-100km/h with 1st gear, because you didnt see RPM drop like conventional auto car but yet the car can reach 100km/h, the actual fact is CVT is working the ratio so you get the best possible acceleration without the drop in RPM which is more efficient...conventional auto when the RPM drops to change gear you experience a loss of torque for 1 to 2 seconds.. even manual cars experience this during gear shift while CVT can maintain high RPM throughout the whole process...I leave it to you to understand how it works by reading up or watch the YouTube video that ckk125 posted earlier for you as a new owner, because it took all of us sometime to grasp the concept too...

dont mind poadster's comment...the way he points out the obvious is always very BLUNT..we got used to it ...
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Thank You Sothy for explaining, I've understand how CVT works.

I was only trying to understand how it works, but Poadster naming out things like do I know how to drive an auto == and checking my grammar ... he is not even answering my questions lolx and he got support by others which make no sense at all.
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Daniel520 @ Jul 4 2011, 09:47 AM)
That's the points Nzh what i wanted to know was throughout the process 0 - 100km/h did Mivec shift?? For convention auto/tradition auto it needs to shift but mivec seems like did not shift. My question was simple, but Poadster wrote something out of the question what does it have to do with do I know how to drive an auto car??? I find it offensive while others are supporting what he said which is entirely out of the topic.
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my friend, MIVEC do not shift...I think you got confused with concept of MIVEC & CVT...both are separate system with different function, I think you should do some background reading then you will better understand the whole system..Maybe XC or ckk can help explain better...
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(XCInspire @ Jul 4 2011, 09:31 AM)
Daniel, I do not know your tone of reply in this message but I think we are here to learn a thing or two and not argue till someone gives in. The last sentence is totally uncalled for.

Sothy has explained cvt further and you can also google further for how it works, someone posted the youtube link here too. It starts at a virtual "1st" gear and moves all the way up without you realising, so technically it did not remain in "1st" gear and rpm does not drop much when it switches gear.

Someone here also explained how the conventional autobox works, it also do not stays at 1st gear till 100km'h. Every car gb has different gear ratios and top speed for each "gear", it stated in the specification of each car in the brochure or user manual. So I guess what you mean here is it did not shift when one presses the accelerator but it will only reach that max speed/rpm and not any higher...

You stated something, we tried to correct the perception. If you think we are still wrong, there is always google and wikipedia.
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Sorry if I made any tone >.> which I'm not too sure what tone I used in this, I was watching Harold and Kumar (Journey to White Castle) while replying you hahahh.

Yes I would like to thank everyone for the wisdom, I understand what you guys said. I just want to clarify things how mivec works. Its ok I dont need to google XD. Sometimes Experience on CVT can't be google is better to ask people.


Added on July 4, 2011, 10:07 am
QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Jul 4 2011, 09:56 AM)
my friend, MIVEC do not shift...I think you got confused with concept of MIVEC & CVT...both are separate system with different function, I think you should do some background reading then you will better understand the whole system..Maybe XC or ckk can help explain better...
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Wait you mean it doesn't shift ??? You mean in auto mode or sports mode ?? I thought Mivec it shifts but it maintain at a very high RPM gear ratio but for the video below it started with 1st gear and maintain the whole thing in D between will it spoil the gear box/engine?

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post Jul 4 2011, 10:09 AM

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better to just try it yourself.. go to showroom and rape the car.. laugh.gif
XCInspire
post Jul 4 2011, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Daniel520 @ Jul 4 2011, 09:58 AM)
Sorry if I made any tone >.> which I'm not too sure what tone I used in this, I was watching Harold and Kumar (Journey to White Castle) while replying you hahahh.

Yes I would like to thank everyone for the wisdom, I understand what you guys said. I just want to clarify things how mivec works. Its ok I dont need to google XD. Sometimes Experience on CVT can't be google is better to ask people.


Added on July 4, 2011, 10:07 am

Wait you mean it doesn't shift ??? You mean in auto mode or sports mode ?? I thought Mivec it shifts but it maintain at a very high RPM gear ratio but for the video below it started with 1st gear and maintain the whole thing in D between will it spoil the gear box/engine?

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Good that we go in learning mode when we are here smile.gif

Have you ride on a 10 speed bicycle before? The cvt is pretty much that concept... only thing is it shifts itself instead of us manually moving the lever up/down. While doing the shifting your legs did not slowdown right? still maintain pretty much the same movement but yet the bike speed gained... When your legs feel the strain (going uphill), you will downshift the gears to lower so that you do not get too tired right? This is also what cvt does, it downshifts so that it does not consume too much fuel yet trying to maintain the same speed... How the cvt shifts up/down is pretty automated without us realising... Refer to link below, ours is the variable diameter chain pulley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_...or_Reeves_drive



Mivec = Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system... please read the below link, too complicated to explain here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVEC

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post Jul 4 2011, 10:26 AM

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bro , you confuse between cvt and mive already, one is transmission one is engine.

mivec is cam profile switching system same goes to vtec etc...

when 1000 to 4499rpm, it use a small angle cam to let the value opening less time to less small amout of air come in engine to burn , therefore more fuel ecornomy
when 4500rpm mivec switch to higher angle profile cam let value opening time longer to take more air into engine to burn, which make the engine higher output power.

please dont confuse these 2 thing.
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:42 AM

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My brake system vibrate when press at 120km & above. Still waiting for 3 1/2 hours to repair & also do service for 30k. Manyak lama oooo.
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post Jul 4 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(zuladha @ Jul 4 2011, 11:42 AM)
My brake system vibrate when press at 120km & above. Still waiting for 3 1/2 hours to repair & also do service for 30k. Manyak lama oooo.
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Apa jadi boleh vibrate? Disc dah warp ah? U brake manyak kuat ah? kekeke...


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post Jul 4 2011, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(XCInspire @ Jul 4 2011, 01:42 PM)
Apa jadi boleh vibrate? Disc dah warp ah? U brake manyak kuat ah? kekeke...
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Confirm by proton Technical man. My Disc bengkok & need to change. Now waiting the stock.
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post Jul 4 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(zuladha @ Jul 4 2011, 12:59 PM)
Confirm by proton Technical man. My Disc bengkok & need to change. Now waiting the stock.
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So fast can bengkok? Which side? All 4? What is their explanation why bengkok? Take a pic of the new disc.. see if mitsu or local...

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post Jul 4 2011, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Jul 4 2011, 10:26 AM)
bro , you confuse between cvt and mive already, one is transmission one is engine.

mivec is cam profile switching system same goes to vtec etc...

when 1000 to 4499rpm, it use a small angle cam to let the value opening less time to less small amout of air come in engine to burn , therefore more fuel ecornomy
when 4500rpm mivec switch to higher angle profile cam let value opening time longer to take more air into engine to burn, which make the engine higher output power.

please dont confuse these 2 thing.
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to make things simple,

MIVEC = Dual vvt-i for toyota, it is variable valve timing.
INVECS III= Software that controls the CVT, like nissan Xtronic



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post Jul 4 2011, 01:18 PM

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Since you challenged me to reply you and correct your english and your understanding of your car.... here goes..:-

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Just Tried out My Inspira in auto mode ... full acceleration from 0 - 100km/h it uses 1st gear go up to 100km/h without the need of changing gear??? The power of CVT???
Just Tried out My inspira in auto mode = Just tried out Inspira performance in Auto Mode
Different car has different performance == is that so hard to understand?
Ask any english teacher, or even yourself, does these two sentences have the same meaning???

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Full Acceleration from 0 - 100km/h = Pressing my Acceleration Pedal to the max without letting go from 0 - 100km/h. Do you know that when you press your acceleration Pedal without releasing it, for auto it will not change gear?? I don't  know if Mivec is the same but for other cars that I driven it will not change gear if you don't let go the accelerator.
Pls show me which car DONT upshift when you press the accelerator all the way, in D mode???? Even if you are in SPORTS mode of a gearbox, the gears WILL upshift itself AUTOMATICALLY (pun intended) to prevent the gearbox from overheating and breaking itself. In fact, even Inspira MT gearbox will also shutdown if you keep the gear at 7,000rpm.... someone here have experienced it.

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Now do you understand my broken english ??
Yes i do now, since you have made it clear... thank you very much.

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I may not speak/write very proper english but I do not see the case where you dun understand and it involves do i know how to drive an auto car.
FYI, your Inspira have TWO auto mode. One where you move the gear knob to D, and it engages the CVT. For CVT gearbox, there is no FIXED gear ratios unlike conventional gears, it maintains the gears dependant on the driver/engine requirements. Thus the term Continuous Variable Transmission, because the gears are.... varies continuously...

When you shift into D, you engage it into this mode, the gear indicator in your meter reads "D"

The second mode is when you move the gear knob to the right of D, this is the stick shift mode. Pulling the knob towards you will upshift while pushing it away will downshift (did i get this right?? i cant recall as i paddle mostly?? Anyone??). As CVT doesnt have any fixed ratio, but Jatco understands that drivers being drivers may want a kick in performance in their drive, thus the "semi-auto" mode found here. In this mode, the CVT gets a "fixed" 6 gear ratio, where the driver have control over when and at what RPM does the driver want to upshift the gear. This is mainly used when you need extra kick of speed, esp when you are drag racing another car.

Your gear indicator will read "1" - "6" accordingly to your "selected" gear..


So, if i have offended your puny feelings when i asked you do you know how to drive an auto car, i am sorry. I was referring if you even know how to differentiate the auto modes in your car, as you obviously do not. Also you have commented that your auto gearbox DONT upshift when you "pedal to the metal" - that's the term for flooring the pedal - again proving that you dont know how to drive an auto car.

So, my new question to you should be: Do you now know how to drive YOUR Inspira auto car???


Added on July 4, 2011, 1:25 pm
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I was only trying to understand how it works, but Poadster naming out things like do I know how to drive an auto == and checking my grammar ... he is not even answering my questions lolx and he got support by others which make no sense at all.
Also, pls read the other's replies carefully.

NO ONE supported ME, they supported you as they are simply telling me not to be so direct and BLUNT, as you are trying to learn.

This means they are telling me that you are asking to learn, and not that you are being cheeky and acting dumb... and that I should not be so harsh and BLUNT when replying you.

They are good and kind people, have well meaning and they have answered you patiently...

Comprende???

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zuladha
post Jul 4 2011, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(XCInspire @ Jul 4 2011, 02:02 PM)
So fast can bengkok? Which side? All 4? What is their explanation why bengkok? Take a pic of the new disc.. see if mitsu or local...
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L/R side front only. The stock still not available until further notice. They will call me when the stock arrive.
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post Jul 4 2011, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(zuladha @ Jul 4 2011, 01:38 PM)
L/R side front only. The stock still not available until further notice. They will call me when the stock arrive.
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So no explanation why warp/bengkok so fast? U brake hard ke? hehe...

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post Jul 4 2011, 02:29 PM

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how to count all those payment need to be paid for the latest promotion?

for inst, like those downpayment and installment

any1 guide me here?

all 3 inspira packages out there (1.8mt +1.8at +2.0at)
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post Jul 4 2011, 02:40 PM

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I am thinking of buying an Inspira. Maybe within this month.
Can anyone tell me which type of Ecotint is being used? Raybarrier or Hybrid 4 or Hybrid 6? Or something else?
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post Jul 4 2011, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(XCInspire @ Jul 4 2011, 03:22 PM)
So no explanation why warp/bengkok so fast? U brake hard ke? hehe...
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Maybe hard use, Actually no explanation. Suddenly bengkok. or running to fast i think.
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post Jul 4 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(chyapp @ Jul 3 2011, 12:13 AM)
if u no change ur rim ... still 16 inch... pump 36 ~ 38 PSI, your cornering will be the best liao..
if u want stability.. pump 32 ~ 34PSI on your Tyre.

normally people say 1st 1000KM dun push 100km/h and above nia...

if u want 120KM/h with stability... add a 10KG EVO X spoiler so to add weight to your rear but bear in mind... your rear tyre might easy to eat the tyre and cepat nak change tyre compare to normal use lo.
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I stock rim and tayar pump 40psi. I usually just let the car roll, save petrol.

QUOTE(Poadster @ Jul 3 2011, 11:56 PM)
Sorry, I just double check the tyres again.... its only asymmetrical (INSIDE/OUTSIDE) tyres, not directional.

Asymmetrical tyres have different block patterns as compared to symmetrical tyres (they have same pattern reversed on both sides of the thread). Our tyres have bigger blocks on the outside to improve handling during corners and water repellant blocks on the inside to help improve water handling on wet roads.

As such, asymmetrical tyres can only be installed the right was, INSIDE facing inside and OUTSIDE facing, outside.

Now, during cross rotation of tyres, the front left goes to back right and front right goes back left, thus the term cross rotation. When this happens, the fronts that are rolling in ONE direction, will now roll in the OPPOSITE direction when cross to the back. I personally will not want my tyres to roll in a different direction esp after its been rolling in the other direction, no??

More tyre wear, more uneven forces on the tyres, etc.... i dont expect the tyres will last long...

Anyway, this is my personal feelings.... sorry for any confusions caused.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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So still can cross rotate tayar la?

QUOTE(Xcaliber @ Jul 4 2011, 12:04 AM)
i had a great time changing my tyre in the dark .. berpeluh la juga.. esok baru pergi kedai tayar..
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What happened?
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why at front passenger got sound like aircond leak ? does anyone face this before ? its sound like asthmatic gas.. haih, book appointment this wednesday d at EON Glenmarie for checking purposes..

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