Duh.... See the base price ler.... Altis 100K++ whereas Forte is 80k++...

And it's improving....

Being a slave to resale value is just stupid...

No offence...

unless you planning to upgrade the car within 5 years. Else if you plan to have it for 8-10years, it doesn't matter.
By the time the car resell value vs car maintanence yearly = who will win

who dont care for resale value?unless u want to keep the car more than a decade?

This post has been edited by michspc: Jul 21 2012, 09:11 PM

Perhaps it shows our Malaysian society is aging, there are 10 times amount of uncles and aunties driving on the road than the amount of those young smart fellas.... I didn't realise our birth rate had dropped so drastically in recent years?

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Added on July 22, 2012, 12:34 amGot, there are quite a handful here in Fast n Furious forums.....

This post has been edited by landlily98: Jul 22 2012, 12:34 AM

for anyone buying a d class segment car now, the choices are endless but i really feel that the two models everyone must try is the VW passat and Peugeot 508 - both great continental cars at very comparable prices....and the JOKER card - KIA optima is also a must try ....

me ? i have seen quite a few new camry on the road already and i still find it fugly and i still think that for the same price...i would have invest my money on a french/german car .....

And nowadays, lotsa ppl choose the 9 years loan option... which translate to around a decade...haha///

For me, i'll buy a car that i like... with good specs, handling etc...

Even a citroen... as long as it's good...

I value my life and I only will buy something that i like.... 2 airbags ? pffffttt....haha...

The resale value is useless if u die.... value ur life.... choose something with atleast 6 airbags, equipped with traction control, ESP....

Value ur life...

invest your money on...car? I probably could tell how is the return lol

Where did you see the June sales stats? Got a link?

Anyway, what I saw interesting for H1 2012 is this:

Foreign car manufacturer, Toyota, came in third with 51,567 units sold, against last year's 41,688, while Nissan and Honda sold 16,533 units and 10,165 units, respectively, in the same period compared with 17,306 and 19,246 units last year.
From: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

Even among the leading Jap brands, Toyota outsells Honda by about 3x and Nissan by 5x (for this period anyway). Last year the gap was closer but still Toyota sales is more than double of Honda and Nissan.

if ten years ago...not much car are eqquipped with 6 airbags and traction control, then those car owner should have all die by now is it? better safety specs such as ESP n traction control is good, but the most important factor is to drive safe, how about those car owner if they cant afford to have car with 6 airbags and traction control???? Doesnt that mean they not value their life?

This post has been edited by michspc: Jul 22 2012, 10:09 AM

Dude, you are right, right now a lot of fanboy have nothing bash, but only keep bashing the absent of vsc lar, air bag lar, in the end, they are not buying a good car to drive, but they are buying a car based on the airbag and vsc, and damn a lot of 10 airbag and vsc equipped vehicle involved in fatal accident, because they thought their car got such advance safety feature, they will be freaking safe and won't have anything happen one, the example is Karak Highway near Bkt. Tinggi, I bet there is more car with those advance safety features involve in accident then those without.

This discussion sure can go on and on. But the fact is this, safety standards have risen everywhere else in the world, so why would you want to settle for anything less if you don't have to or have the financial means not too. If the government is willing to step in and demand that all future vehicles, whether big or small at least provide those safety features, wouldn't it be much better for everyone overall? We talk about now, what past is the past, what's important is the future, and the important thing is to have safety standards continually improve instead of going backwards.

So in this case, how can anyone even justify what Toyota did is good for the industry and motorist in general? Removing 2 important safety features that shouldn't have been removed in the first place and for what? Good car or not, there's no denying they've gone backwards in terms of safety.

Btw, there's so many people out there who buy Toyota cars without even test driving or seeing the car first, the new Camry isn't an exception. Like it or not, the brand is rock solid and they've been around long enough that people trust them enough to buy them but eventually, if they continue doing this, the gen Y that moves up to replace the gen X will not hesitate to ignore their offerings.

Cars with 6 airbags or what is not that expensive....Fiesta got, Forte 2.0 got....

Why Europe is taking these safety measures ?

Drive safe ? How they are going to drive safe with such lousy specs....

Do u know what Traction control, ESP can help save ur life....

Say a cat is crossing the road..... split second decision, u decided to swerve away, to avoid the cat.... With ESP, u will safely do the maneuver whereas with cars with no ESP, u'll most likely skid and crash.....

Nowadays, cars are getting more powerful, day by day.... so safety features is a must....

Toyota is trolling ppl here.... Cheap lousy safety specs....

U don't like driving cars with extra safety features ? Say you, were buying Camry.... If it come with 6 airbags and VSC, U'll throw them away ?

Why la these mentality.... Manufacturer offer good safety specs.....

Summore Kia and Hyundai is showing that they can improve.... giving 5 years warranty in Malaysia and even 10 years warranty in U.S....

That shows they dare to change....

Give them sometime....

I better toyota will make optional 5 years warranty soon
see honda doing it now.

Well said.... it is like saying that safety features shouldn't be installed on cars.... Heavy fanboism....

I would like as much safety features as i can get on the car that i will buy.... so that i'll feel good and safe driving it...

I've never seen any manufacturer going back interms of safety...

Plonk in a 2.5 engine, increase price, make it fuglier, remove safety specs..... WTF...

And ppl say it's good.... LOL....

Better remove all airbags and ABS.... even better...

Maybe... I'm not bashing Toyota... infact i myself is buying a Fiesta XTR..... not even a korean....

But what's good is good....

Honda on the other hand is giving the 5 years warranty and also improving their safety features.... not revrsing

yes, I know. Just my point this what toyota might do only.

This is the fact of maresia automotive line will have standard safety + increase warranty = benefits to all user.
is good to let toyota know they can't dominate the market forever.

at the end, we all will enjoy the benefits.

True.... i hope other manufacturers change to...

We as consumer deserves better...

Yes, as long as it means they can make more money that way. It's normal, many companies act that way.

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Added on July 22, 2012, 1:10 pmNope, disagree. Most contis will be safer, for example the Fiesta sedan. Any VW from Polo (not sedan) and above, Ford Focus probably, Mondeo definitely, some Koreans will be safer, ... the Camry is pretty much at the bottom of the list, apart from older Protons, Peroduas and some Japs. All that speaks for it is that it is big.

I simply see it this way: A 150+k car simply must have VSC or ESP. In this price class it is a must. When a 40k car doesn't have it I can accept it, but 150k, let alone 180? That would be like selling a 5k laptop with a Celeron CPU and a 12 GB hard drive (not SSD).

Oh, and sorry for being late again. Hope I don't stir up anything if it has settled down already. Just wanted to add my 2 cents and set a few things straight.

@feelfree: In America the Camry is a very different car. It does have VSC, and it has 10 airbags. In the base spec, which is very cheap, too.

Btw. at the roadside outside of workshops I see tons of crashed Myvis, Vios etc., but few contis. Sure that it is mostly expensive cars that crash? I think it's just more likely that an expensive car is reported in the news, rather than yet another Myvi. And why don't you simply look at the statistics? How many traffic deaths are there in Malaysia, and how many in central Europe? I think it was like 8 times or so more likely to die in Malaysia than in Europe. And that is including Germany, where people generally drive 140, and many drive faster. So please don't tell me safety features don't matter. And after all Toyota has all this technology... and it was even already adapted for the Camry. They could easily, without any additional development costs, produce a Camry with 10 airbags and VSC. Would that hurt their customers? Besides it is sold that way in America for a price so low that there is no tax in the world that could raise that car above 180k. I mean around 20k USD? That's around RM 63k... Taxes in Malaysia are high, but not _that_ high. There is simply no way one can defend this behavior of Toyota. They just make tons of profits, at the cost of their customers lives.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jul 22 2012, 01:34 PM

Yeah bro.... I'm buying the Fiesta XTR hatch with 7 airbags.... it cost around 90k.... whereas Camry....

This post has been edited by masz94: Jul 22 2012, 02:29 PM