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New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!
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cybermaster98
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Jul 20 2012, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 20 2012, 08:09 AM) Back in 2008, when the Mazda 6 first launched. I remember talking about how good it was compared to its competition but was skeptical of its resale value. I had also hoped it would gain popularity.
Fast forward today and checking the top 50 models list for the past 3 years, it consistently has not ranked in the top 50 model list. Even on the road, I actually have seen more KIA Optima K5 combined in the last 2 months than I've seen Mazda 6 over the last 3 years! And that's pathetic! It was a great car, but it lost its chance to make an impact.
If Bermaz markets the New Mazda 6 Takeri concept like the way it did with the current gen Mazda 6 then don't hold your breath and expect to see a lot of these cars on the road. Doesn't matter how great it is, you'd still need to make the effort to entice customers since it's not a particularly popular brand.
I think Honda has the biggest potential right now to dent the sales of the Toyota Camry. I daresay even KIA, Hyundai and other Euro brands are benefiting at the Camry's expense thanks to its outrageous pricing. I agree. Honda at least has realised that they need to change and they have now included the 5 year warranty and the free servicing campaign to boost sales. The Civic is also quite well spec'ed. Although, i dont quite like its design and interior quality, but i think its still a more value buy compared to the Camry despite being in a different segment. And yes i agree that the new Honda Accord will surely give the Camry a good fight. Its just to be seen who actually wins. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 20 2012, 08:45 AM
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NissanTeana
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Jul 20 2012, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 20 2012, 08:42 AM) I agree. Honda at least has realised that they need to change and they have now included the 5 year warranty and the free servicing campaign to boost sales. The Civic is also quite well spec'ed. Although, i dont quite like its design and interior quality, but i think its still a more value buy compared to the Camry despite being in a different segment. And yes i agree that the new Honda Accord will surely give the Camry a good fight. Its just to be seen who actually wins. I don't think so Honda Accord can really spoil the Toyota Camry sales, just look back these few months sales and Accord sales actually is quite bad until last month where Honda offered high discount and high trade-in value, and only these discount tactic the sales slightly up, so if the new Accord came and the discount and trade-in value all stopped, maybe the Accord sales can keep in "hot" mood for a few months only because I know in Malaysia still got a lot of Honda Fanboy. In Malaysia got one very funny trend, a lot of young people very fancy about Honda car, but when their age over 35-40yrs old, they starting to only look for Toyota and no longer intereted to buy any Honda model, and this is also why the Camry sales can beat the Accord by a very large margin.
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cybermaster98
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Jul 20 2012, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(NissanTeana @ Jul 20 2012, 09:41 AM) I don't think so Honda Accord can really spoil the Toyota Camry sales, just look back these few months sales and Accord sales actually is quite bad until last month where Honda offered high discount and high trade-in value, and only these discount tactic the sales slightly up, so if the new Accord came and the discount and trade-in value all stopped, maybe the Accord sales can keep in "hot" mood for a few months only because I know in Malaysia still got a lot of Honda Fanboy. In Malaysia got one very funny trend, a lot of young people very fancy about Honda car, but when their age over 35-40yrs old, they starting to only look for Toyota and no longer intereted to buy any Honda model, and this is also why the Camry sales can beat the Accord by a very large margin. U can't use the past few months statistics to gauge Honda's performance. Everybody knows their production stopped because of disasters in Japan and Thailand resulting in huge backlogs. But if you compare the previous Camry with the current Accord, even i would go for the Camry. Its obvious. But if the new 2013 Accord comes with a great design and great specs, then the new Camry will find it hard going against it. Dont forget, the Camry has alot of other D segment makes to share the pie with now as compared to 2006-2010. Its already being hit which is the main reason why Toyota has stopped providing data to MAA although they claim its due to some competition act. So now Toyota can claim all they want about the Camry sales and not many ppl will know. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 20 2012, 10:34 AM
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jchong
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Jul 20 2012, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:33 AM) Its already being hit which is the main reason why Toyota has stopped providing data to MAA although they claim its due to some competition act. So now Toyota can claim all they want about the Camry sales and not many ppl will know. It's interesting how Toyota (and a few other brands) cite the Competition Act 2010 to withhold providing sales data. As far as I know there is nothing in the Act which prevents them from supplying the data. Must be just a flimsy excuse to justify not supplying the data.
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22222222
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Jul 20 2012, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:33 AM) U can't use the past few months statistics to gauge Honda's performance. Everybody knows their production stopped because of disasters in Japan and Thailand resulting in huge backlogs. But if you compare the previous Camry with the current Accord, even i would go for the Camry. Its obvious. But if the new 2013 Accord comes with a great design and great specs, then the new Camry will find it hard going against it. Dont forget, the Camry has alot of other D segment makes to share the pie with now as compared to 2006-2010. Its already being hit which is the main reason why Toyota has stopped providing data to MAA although they claim its due to some competition act. So now Toyota can claim all they want about the Camry sales and not many ppl will know. Toyota Camry Sales May 2012 http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/07/03/may-2012-...er-second-half/
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cybermaster98
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Jul 20 2012, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:56 AM) Yes up to May only. Nothing after that.
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NissanTeana
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Jul 20 2012, 12:09 PM
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I think Toyota doing this way is they want to prevent other competitors know their sales figure so competiotrs unable to plan their tactic to hunt down the Toyota, if like that I think other competitors also can do the same way and at least Toyota also can't see others sales figure and they won't know actually the competitors already beaten Toyota or not. Fair play what!
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cybermaster98
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Jul 20 2012, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(NissanTeana @ Jul 20 2012, 12:09 PM) I think Toyota doing this way is they want to prevent other competitors know their sales figure so competiotrs unable to plan their tactic to hunt down the Toyota, if like that I think other competitors also can do the same way and at least Toyota also can't see others sales figure and they won't know actually the competitors already beaten Toyota or not. Fair play what! Its not about fair play. Its about transparency.
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michspc
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Jul 21 2012, 03:11 PM
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The hybrid varient launched in singapore...I just wonder if malaysia will bring in hydrid camry this season or not?
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Kalist0
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Jul 21 2012, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 20 2012, 12:07 PM) Yes up to May only. Nothing after that. June sales report. Camry 1000 over. Optima around 150
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michspc
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Jul 21 2012, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Jul 21 2012, 04:23 PM) June sales report. Camry 1000 over. Optima around 150 Gosh. How could this be? I thought k5 specs is so much better than 'crap' camry and yet the sales is so far behind camry. so specs is specs, rating is rating, crap specs is crap specs , as sales figure won't lie. all the end it still sales like hot cakes This post has been edited by michspc: Jul 21 2012, 04:53 PM
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zweimmk
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Jul 21 2012, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 04:36 PM) Gosh. How come so big difference in sales figure? I thought k5 is so much better than crap camry and yet the sales is so far behind camry. so specs is specs, rating is rating, crap specs is crap specs , as sales figure won't lie. all the end it still sales like hot cakes 1. It's a Toyota. It's got a very long history in Malaysia. People buy based on confidence in the brand. Lots of people, including myself, have bought a Toyota without even test driving their cars and this is no exception. 2. The Camry is a safe buy, the KIA Optima K5 is an unknown, and given KIA's not so great history... no surprises there 3. Perception - the Koreans still suffer from very poor market perception in Malaysia. All things considered, you've gotta give the Korean's credit. Look at Mazda 6... released in 2008 but never even made it into the top 50 model sales for the last 3 years. The fact that a Korean marque is moving 150 D segment units is not only unheard of, it's damn pretty impressive!
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TamaUser
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Jul 21 2012, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 04:36 PM) Gosh. How could this be? I thought k5 specs is so much better than 'crap' camry and yet the sales is so far behind camry. so specs is specs, rating is rating, crap specs is crap specs , as sales figure won't lie. all the end it still sales like hot cakes Yes, I agree with zweimmk. Reliability is the keyword. Seen any people buy korean car as their company car? Most of company cars I've seen are Toyota. Add: Just finished seeing the sales statistics. Perodua Myvi is on the top of the list. Myvi isn't a good car anyway, but the sales goes to 8000k/ month. Get my point? This post has been edited by TamaUser: Jul 21 2012, 05:05 PM
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michspc
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Jul 21 2012, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(TamaUser @ Jul 21 2012, 05:02 PM) Yes, I agree with zweimmk. Reliability is the keyword. Seen any people buy korean car as their company car? Most of company cars I've seen are Toyota. Add: Just finished seeing the sales statistics. Perodua Myvi is on the top of the list. Myvi isn't a good car anyway, but the sales goes to 8000k/ month. Get my point?  that is due to affordability i guess??
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TamaUser
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Jul 21 2012, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 05:08 PM) that is due to affordability i guess?? Hm...maybe? Forgot to take measure that Camry and Myvi are completely different cars. My father ordered a Camry during April, without testing and looking at the actual picture of the car. You know how much confidence Msia people have towards Toyota.
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zweimmk
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Jul 21 2012, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 05:08 PM) that is due to affordability i guess?? One of the reasons yes. But it also looks contemporary and very well equipped. In terms of equipment, only the Peugeot 508 is better, the passat comes close but still not quite there. I like to think the Sonata got the ball rolling first and the momentum is carrying down. The strong sales of the Naza Forte probably helped a lot too in changing the public perception of Korean cars.
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michspc
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Jul 21 2012, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 21 2012, 05:20 PM) One of the reasons yes. But it also looks contemporary and very well equipped. In terms of equipment, only the Peugeot 508 is better, the passat comes close but still not quite there. I like to think the Sonata got the ball rolling first and the momentum is carrying down. The strong sales of the Naza Forte probably helped a lot too in changing the public perception of Korean cars. Naza forte resale value is not that good also....it depreciate like 10k per year
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zweimmk
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Jul 21 2012, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 05:32 PM) Naza forte resale value is not that good also....it depreciate like 10k per year Is it? I expected worse. I lost about 8k on average when I sold my 2008 Altis last month and both of them are C segment. So that's actually a good performance for a Korean car!
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michspc
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Jul 21 2012, 05:59 PM
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but the new forte cost only 80k + and the altis might cost more than 100k+ so the deperciate is more compare to altis...thats why i said the forte resale value is not that good
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zweimmk
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Jul 21 2012, 06:25 PM
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Ok la, you must remember, the Forte was launched in 2010. And it's only been 2 years, depreciation is highest in the 1st year... By next year I full expect depreciation for the car to hover between 9k to 11k or so and that seems very likely looking at how many cars they are now selling on a monthly basis.
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