yup, myvi is best for urban/city. suburban/kampung would prefer sedan car instead, since they do not usually have more than 1 car in the house, or simply, they go buy cheaper used car, like a wira or iswara.

myvi in the rural area would more or less sounds like a jazz, a little bit expensive/premium hatch. rm50k is not entirely dirt cheap

if u see, the resale value of myvi or saga is the best, along side with vios/city.

whats wrong with the 508, nice car what. comfortable. Anyway optima is not very much better if you expect more than just its good looks. interior wise i still think 508 is hands down. optima nice to look when it is new, once 2 to 3 years down the line, it will look outdated, why i have this conclusion, aggressive design cannot last, it captures the wow, but cant last, cause the next design will soon outdate it. unlike peugeot's the design i feel are ever lasting, i still think 407 is a very very sexy looking car despite its age on the design, same with 508. a little difficult to appreciate but once you like how it looks, it will last a long long sexiness.

depends on what u like and the angle you looking at. i bet you better go back to T after the hassle and problems. else the passat is a good buy. other than that mondeo is also great, unless you are so afraid of used value and spare parts. if those you can accept then you got a wider range of choices. otherwise it is just T and H basically.

T no head ache
H a bit of headache but ppl who buy are fan boys.

any other than these, you just taking risk only.

myvi resale really skyhigh.. those 1.3 auto really can sell over 25k even after so many years... seriously saga also cannot match.. dat day sold the BLM 09 hi spec for below 30k

Based on tt judgement, you are definitely spot on.

I bought a mint cond 09 saga blm hi spec for 33k in 2010. I couldnt even buy a 4 year old myvi ezi at that price which was my initial intention. Frustrating! Like you pointed very clearly, the demand in areas of high spending power protects the value of the car.

Back to original topic of the optima, has anyone you know actually test driven it in our Msian conditions.

I hav trustworthy reviewers which hav tested it in Aust n found the car well balanced. More on the firm side n dampers were supplied by sachs. Engine is good but it was a 2.4 gdi so cant compare there.

This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Jan 23 2012, 08:49 PM

The shockers on the Msian Optima, although set according to the Oz Optima specs, aren't supplied by Sachs but nonetheless are still marketed as high performance dampers. And, having only the same dual CVVT MPI engine as the current Sonata 2.0 but with a slightly heavier curb weight, a good place to start would be reading the local reviews on the Sonata to get an idea of what sort of driveability the Optima is able to conjure up.

Thats wht i asked before. I wanted the local test drive reports. Is there any? Can someone post links?

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Added on January 24, 2012, 4:07 amHave u test driven the 508? Try putting 3 adults at the back and then running over bumps. The car's suspension feels like its 10 yrs old. Surely dont expect that in 170K car. Havent test driven the Optima so not sure if its the same problem.


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 24 2012, 04:07 AM

want a good suspension car, comfortable, might as well try test driving the citroen C5 with hydractive suspension. rm188k..haha..but the resale value sure bad..very classy interior..
http://www.citroen.com.my/images/Price%20L...0MARCH%2011.pdf

That suspension system is really difficult to maintain. PLus its rarely used. I would take the normal suspension anytime. Plus the C5 costs more than the Passat 1.8TSI (RM193K with insurance). Crazy price for virtually the same specs and engine as the Peugeot 508.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 24 2012, 10:00 AM

Since its launch I have not seen one on the road yet . After all the prelaunch hype, suddenly I don't see anyone talking about this car anymore.

Obtw, I paid a visit to red cube along fed highway to see what the fuss was all about. Exterior is good looking.but step in and it doesn't have that feel good factor to it unlike when u step in a honda accord.

K5 doors felt thin and hollow. Cheapo plastics were all over. Somehow if I had rm150k money to spend, I definitely 100% will not buy this .

And Korean car designs somehow don't last the test of time. Just look at forte, when just launch looks great. Now about 2years down the road, I see one on the road I wanna puke. Looks so outdated d. Looks like a box on wheels. And when I see a honda city on the road, somehow it looks like it had been just launched a few months back.

Quite true to try out the sonata which i hav already done but the drivin dynanics of the k5 is pretty much different. The k5 ride is much firmer n the steering is much more weighted which is better than a lifeless one. The setup is leaned towards sports but definitely not for spirited driving. I use the current mondeo as the benchmark in this dept. Its probably the best handler in this segment.

I feel the power is decent but its not a stormer. How i wish they brought in the 200hp 2.4gdi. Tt would hav been fun.

I wonder wat is wrong wif naza? Selling a car based looks but no chance to feel it. I hav got a theories on this,

1. they intend to put limited numbers on the road first to temporarily market it exclusively. Hopefully to build strong interest once ppl see it on the road.
2. they hav limited number of APs.
3. Korea hav limited units allocated for us due to plant running at max capacity.

This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Jan 24 2012, 11:50 AM

sorry pal havent test driven any 508, sat in a non moving one. well no one would let me try one. anyway i know back seat is a little cramp. well if thats the case then this 508 probably a flop here loh, especially every single road in PJ has speed bump. u said 10 yrs old suspension means it sinks totally in and hit the bumps? well if its the case then it is bad.

but optima should at least fair better. or else another flop, back to the drawing boards, camry it shall be.

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Added on January 24, 2012, 2:51 pmfriend u complain so much, what in your mind is a good looking car? honda City? honda civic? or honda accord. Yucks, no taste, civic 2012, taste like porridge with no salt. ya i know, resale value mah... driving dynamics mah.. i still feel altis is a better buy than civic,.. ya i know, altis where got power..
altis suspension better than civic mah., dual VVti better than inteligent Vtec mah.. haha, what to argue. nothin, so how? just buy the car u like and keep you bad thoughts to yourself we all here know you are jealous of the Forte, no doubt, if you see forte try no to puke in your own car. its very very messy.


at least forte is getting more and more on the road, in just about 2 to 3 years since it was given birth here. i hope the new civic they will increase price more than 10k so that the Koreans would look like better buy. and your honda will always be better resale value. everyone win.

This post has been edited by sonyman: Jan 24 2012, 02:51 PM

Haih,typical losers way of talking.

Ok since we're spilling our innermost thoughts here, I think the H.City looks super ahbeng in front, like The Fallen from Transformers, an ancient beast that has been sleeping for generations. And the butt. OMG, don't even get me started. It's the fugliest piece of sh1t I've ever seen on a car. What the hell were they thinking? I don't even need to see it, just imagine that farkin fugly City butt is enough to spoil my whole day.

Winner talking here...

well not a loser, at least i am smarter, prefer use my money in a more effective way, but don't get me wrong, i don't own a kia, but i don't like ppl who speaks rubbish about the same thing every time. it is really boring. why do you even bother to even go look and see the optima, if you already don't like it, and tell everyone here in a funny way how you don't like it, be nice lah, put your words nicely we wont offend you any way. i know, honda accord the best in its class, no doubt about that. but when it comes to comparison use nice words.

we all cannot agree more the koreans are now very close to the japs and attracts more buyers, though not overtaking japs, ya, the japs are still superior "applicable in malaysia", but you know lah, korean is bloody cool in everything now, from the 4 most important elements in the world, beautiful cars, beautiful girls, and bloody competitive smartphones and TV's, it defies the law of japanese number 1, heck the sony TV is loosing money, only thing koreans haven't conquer, the gaming industry, though Sony still leads the pack. but who knows, sometime down this year, Samsung gaming platform.

at least minimum the K gals are hot,

This post has been edited by sonyman: Jan 24 2012, 07:19 PM

+1

no matter what, this kia optima will be a head turner for the next 5-7 years

I couldnt agree more. It looks good everytime i look at it. To date the best lookin d segment n probably years to come.

This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Jan 24 2012, 09:04 PM

Sometimes I don't understand why the Jap fanboys are being so defensive

Btw, Jap cars used to be junk in the 60's too but I'm glad that they have evolved to where they are today.

Perhaps, now is the time for the Koreans to shine? All's fair love and war. Truth t be told, I have a lot of respect for the underdogs, they do tend to try harder while the big boys tend to rest on their laurels

Has anyone even seen the upcoming Rio? It's giving the VW Golf a run for its money

wah, u really hate korean car heh? I pretty much love my forte, never gave me any problem since i bought it, maybe i'm not too fussy. Only went to the SC once in 6 months for service. Been a reliable steed for me to go to work, meet clients, meetings. I think it looks handsome (everyone that gets into it, praises it too), and bang for my buck. Everyone have their own taste, your's seem higher than the rest, since you feel nausea seeing a forte.

vw golf is not about winning a beauty contest, lol.

Kevin, we've known each other for some time rite? Since those days when we used to flame the Forte thread. Remember?

But will all due respect, ive grown to appreciate the effort made by the Koreans. The Forte was a revelation and the Optima surely is a few steps ahead.

For one thing, the Optima interior does not have cheap plastics around. If u look closely most of the panneling on the dashboard and doors are soft felt not cheap plastics.

Secondly, the specs on the Optima far outgun most of the cars in the same price segment on the road today. The Forte may look a bit tired since there are many on the road but the City and Vios are no better. In the case of the CIty both the older and current City are quite crap in the design department. THe current City is better but nevertheless still crap. The current Vios is the worse anyway. So the Forte rules here.

The Optima also has alot of rear legroom just like any exec level car. Its exterior design is really good and i dont see it going out of style a few years down the road. It surely has the wow factor which few cars possess. The dashboard might be a tad European but i guess its something to get used to. But with those specs, a 5 yr warranty and more service centres opening up, Kia seems to be heading the right way.

All in all, i see a bright future for Kia. Many of the models they have launched have been real stunners. Malaysians might still be sceptical about many issues (im one of them) but in time that perception will change.

But im kinda surprised that ure still in these threads after claiming u bought some RM300K car just a couple of months back or was that just a story?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 25 2012, 12:37 AM