Lol, he should go after 12, or just skip that brand

then what's next?

dun have... but hey if u can accept 150k car, dun tell me u dun have 20k cash in account to repair ur gearbox...
buy 150k with 0 d/p & 9 years loan...? biar papa asal bergaya...?
oh btw 5 years ago, i'd a financial issue due to my parents undergone an operations which is more than 20k, i'm so panic to source for a money until i've no clue how to solve it except willing to cagar my parent's house but lucky i'm listening to my boss & the results i dun need to cagar it & operations went smoothly w/out any unsettle bill statement...

sori my boss isn't like that type, he never moralize his staff down...
but hey i think u boss like that, so u should update ur resume and leave ur saks boss & company...

No sense of humor? Lol you REALLY need to think out of the box.

You din think out of the Box, good. So now u should always think out of the box.

So what's outside the box for Kia optima?

This post has been edited by turbocharged: Jan 21 2012, 11:54 PM

+1 Well said.

I also resisted the idea of getting T.V or H.C so I won't waste my prime age getting stucked with a Thai made b-segment jap car.
It was lousy P2 car --> C-segment car for me. And I figured that second value probably wouldn't bother me too much after 5-6years time.

I also went 5-6-7 times but the desire gets stronger and stronger each time. Huhuhu...

Eh Bangla,

140,000 x 60.72% = RM85,008
110,000 x 77.27% = RM84,997

Better go back and let your lenses "absorb" light lol...

Dude. Percentage is important. Of course when you buy cheaper car, your actual lose will be minimal. Like if you buy current Viva, the max you'll lose is probably around RM30k-40k only.

And did you really confident current Optima which have been priced for around RM143,000 will have same resale value with current Honda Accord after 5 years? Know one can expect the future but base on history, people will assume Honda will have more resale value than Kia.
How Kia want change it, i don't know. People that really concern about resale value will just going to play safe.

Everybody in f&f know u defense kimchi until certain extend... Ur calculation base on value are totally irrelevant..

Base on value, y don't u use a Santa fe or a sorento to compare wt a murano.. Those car sure drop less than murano...

Another way to look at it u may assume a company buy 4 units of the camry u mention vs the same company buying 5 unit of ur belove sonata... Both cases use almost same amount of $. So now who lost more?

Percentage is much more fair comparison and another thing not fair is when car getting depreciate until very low value, resistance are there.





+1...

Irrelevant in what way? Both cars are D-Segment and produced in the same year. Mid class D-Segment sedan (T/H/Hyundai/Nissan/Mazda etc.) is one of the famous comparison here. One of the fact is many people said they rather pay more for the overpriced Japanese brand because of resale value and now you want to compare these cars at the same price?

Don't bother to talk about your Santa Fe/Sorento to Murano comparison. You just give out a comparison that noone makes before/often. Is like comparing a Camry to an E-Class just because they are on the same segment.

Seriously, what does the percentage help you? When you sell your car, you think those percentage figure can convert into something solid? In the end you only see how much you get back and calculate the lost. Who cares whether is 60% or 80% depreciation if both cars loses the same amount of value in the same period of time.

This post has been edited by xVince: Jan 22 2012, 03:17 PM

reconmend you go glenmarie one, this federal highway only ghost will serve you, those dealer who got no car usually bring customer there to look see.

go to glenmarie one lah, just down the road. not too far away, last time was there, spoke to kevin. nice guy.

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Added on January 22, 2012, 3:09 pmi think 5th time you hoping for a test drive is it? well, u must open mouth, or tell the prospective sales person, "
this is cheque of 1000, if i like the car after i drive it. you get to keep the cheque and i will take the car. otherwise i will take the cheque back, "

this probably will help you a lot in your destiny to look for your ultimate drive.

This post has been edited by sonyman: Jan 22 2012, 03:09 PM

hahaha... maybe kia isn't ur faith maaa... ur faith has been written to own T & H...
if optima is 120k, i'll never bother about naza professionalism... they price will compesate with all the crap that they're done now...

No la bro. There is no rest drive unit available. The reason i go often to view the car is to get rid of the initial wow factor. After seeing 5-6 times and ure still impressed with the car, then ure probably making a good choice. I did the same with the Peugeot 508 and after 4 test drives, im not really impressed anymore. Best specs of the lot but rear comfort is an issue. NOt sure how it is with the Optima.

First of all, Happy CNY...

I think the automotive landscape has changed since the days of total Jap domination of certain segments in the market. People are now beginning to look beyond the obvious safe choices and make informed decisions against the grain sometimes.

All I can say is, if you plan to change cars every 2-3 years, then a Korean marque may not be a good choice. Then again, judging from the used prices of the latest Sonata YF and Forte, I daresay they have managed to maintain their prices quite alright, you can thank the 5-yr fully transferable warranty (300,000km for Hyundai and unlimited mileage for Kia) for that. Of course, both Sonata and Forte can't compare to City, Vios and Myvi for resale value.

Anyway, let's take a look at another comparo:

Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.



The difference between a Korean and a Jap is not much actually, nothing like comparing a Jap to say an Alfa, Audi, Citroen, Peugeot, Saab, Volvo, Renault or Skoda.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 23 2012, 03:20 AM

Reliability, prestige and most importantly, peace of mind.
Those are the reason why people bought Camry 2006 at that time. Korean car before the launch of Forte is just sucks anyway.
Which is why the car isn't popular even Hyundai price it at cheap price.
And now for current Optima, the price is just nearly same with other T/H/N segment D car.
So people will always refer past percentage depreciation value as their guide in forecast the future resale value when buying a car.
If Korean car still have same resale value like a past, people will lose more and more than before by buying current Korean car.

Gong Hei Fatt Choy!!!

donno why, to me i think T and H design more uncle-ish.

when new sonata launch, i say "wow nice design"
but when optima launch, i say "ooh la la, sexy beauty and value for money with the gadgets"

with 5 star safety awards, for both optima and sportage, this will be ideal choice of car. i still prefer sportage due to higher ground clearance, bigger and taller.

if u keep on talking about the resale value, will be never ending story lor.


let say, both guy earn 5k a month

A, drive a kancil for 15yrs, save up most cash to run his small and expanding part time business.

B, drive new car every 5yrs, spend most his cash on cars.

so its up to those what they want, we cant always comparing resale value.
obviously korean car are getting better and better, just that some distributor never take their business seriously.

Happy CNY & Happy Holidays!

RV is very subjective to the shift in market forces. Used car dealers will stake a claim in fluencing the value but one cannot deny the influence of demand vs supply. Using historical results as precedent is fair but you hav to realistically take into consideration the market changes. For example, if the myvi is such a hot "commodity", technically we shuld see our roads flooded wif myvis in every corner of tis country based on the annual numbers being churned out.

In reality it doesnt seem tt way, ppl will eventually sell their car at one point in their lives but imagine a model in great numbers being sold in one period of time. How can a value hold when there are similar options in numbers? In reality to compete, undercutting happens. Thus bringing down the industry average. If this car holds such great value, why is there great numbers in the used car market?
Check out mudah or star classifieds (metro section klang valley)

Also, how can a 8 year old car still hold 50% of its original price? In this case, the vios is a good car but not a great car. Paying such high prices at that age?

Unfortunately it doesnt seem tt way. Prices are inflated beyond perceived value in order to restore some balance or a lot of used car dealers would have packed up long time ago. Thus creating unhealthy biased competition eventhough other car manufacturers besides u know who, introduce better cars. Forever bashing of brands will continue n the sad part, half of us nvr actually got into that car to determine whether is good or otherwise. Mindset have to change mates. We consumers are at the losing end. Think about it.

DOes anybody know the weight of the Kia Optima? Its 0-100kmph is quite slow at 10.6 secs despite is 165PS and 198Nm torque.

u have doubts on top seller for consecutive 5 years?
in which corner did u not see a myvi?

there is great numbers in used car market, because it is number 1 in sales for last 5 years.
and a lot of fresh grads (5 years ago) upgraded their car, so they sell their car.

if u wanna see some irregularity in used car market, see 308thp. some are as new as 1 year old car, that is irregular.

The weight is around 1450kg, better power on paper doesn't necessarily transfer to better accelerations.. it's all up to the GB and engine.. my focus tdci is 1440kg with only 136hp but 320Nm of toruqe w/6speed DSG transmission can do 0-100km/h in just 9.5seconds....

I m not denying there is in great numbers (perodua commanded 30% of the marketshare last year, i know tt) but the concentration is in key urban/cities areas. Not in sub urban. If u hav travelled extensively enough, you will know wat i m talkin abt.

However the context i m referrin is not volume but the value. U hav oso agreed tt possibility of ownership of the latter model were previous model owners as well. The assumption is if there is minimal new to brand ownership irregardless new or used, how can the demand overshadow
the supply? Thus, the actual value shuld not be as inflated. Basically its recycling of the same owners to a certain extent. Btw, myvi is juz an example n not to
belittle nor insunnuate negative judgements.

This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Jan 23 2012, 12:55 PM