Here are a few TVCs to refresh your memories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0zVP-DkOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBKhV3cbRj8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1BuCi1VviU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQ5fnZlEnE&feature=relmfu


And sadly, the spec we most probably won't get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXa1G7rE8-A

Ya, most probably that too. Even if we got the 2.4 it would be the 174hp MPI version and not the 200hp GDI. I'm referring more to the 271hp 2.0 turbo

It looks good in motion. I guess that matters more? Check out the ads on youtube and you'll see how those rims go with the forward motion of the car's design.

Here, see how the rims will look in motion, minus the high shutter speed magic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtO4ncUCgC0&feature=related

Don't they look like armoured discs to you? Hot dang!

This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 14 2011, 03:02 AM

No, it's not about rich or not. You are not knowledgeable, that's all.

http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0-12764045.htm

The above car, brand new is RM140k (high spec). Drop a lot meh? In terms of percentage, it's a mere 9% depreciation, even less if you consider that brand new price includes insurance etc (OTR price).

Please take your head out of the sand and do more research la brudder.

BTW, this was the cheapest YF Sonata up for sale (used) on mudah.

You are talking about two different segments altogether. Someone buying a foreign branded D segment car will not have the same mentality as someone who buys a B or C segment local ride. Put it simply, if one can't even afford 9% depreciation on a RM140k car, he/she doesn't belong in that category. The loan officer who approved his/her loan is either on the take or a jackass who deserves to be fired.

Let's take an example of a popular D-segment car, Toyota Camry 2.0G facelift version.

Brand new OTR price: RM154,990
http://www.motorcar-malaysia.com/2009/09/t...facelifted.html

After 2+ yrs: RM120,000 (rounded up) WITHOUT INS, ROAD TAX ETC
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Camry+2+0G+Auto...ew-12680031.htm

So let's see: RM154,990 LESS RM4,151 (ins.) + RM380 (road tax) + misc RM500 = RM5,000 (rounded up)

Hence: RM154,990 minus RM5,000 = RM150,000 (rounded up) is the actual cost of the car. After 2+ yrs, RM120,000, so the total drop is RM30,000.

(Amount of decrease/Initial value) * 100
=> (RM30,000 divided by RM150,000) * 100 = 20% depreciation or 80% residual value

So, how now? Even Camry owner need to shed RM30,000 in 2+yrs.

And please, don't say a person spending RM130-140k. He didn't "spend" that amount, he merely paid a downpayment and took a loan for the balance. At the end of the day, to calculate how much he actually spent on the car all he needs to do is count how much deposit paid, how many months repayment paid, deduct the balance that he got back after selling the car. THAT is the true amount of what he "spent" on that car.

No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said...

Right on.

Depreciation is the norm for cars. It's just that, the majority of car owners don't know how to calculate simple primary school maths before blindly stating that so-and-so branded cars sure depreciate like hell wan. They heard it from their uncle's neighbour's cat's real owner's father's orchard owner's son's schoolmate's grandmother that Kia and Hyundai memang tak bleh pia.

Judging by the number of Korean cars sold since 2010, I daresay that the general mentality is changing, although it will take some time.

One has to look no further than the fiasco that is the Proton Waja for a good history lesson. At launch, a certain CEO proclaimed it as the Asian BMW. And it did have quite a few good things going for it like space, good torque etc. And what happened? Many ppl got stuck after paying toll, cannot wind up their windows. They put too many things in their glove box and it will not stay closed. FC was quite high compared to Wira/Satria/Iswara etc too. So much for Japanese technology (first batch was Mitsu engine and GB).

As a result, many ppl felt cheated and swore on their great grandfather's grave never to touch Proton ever again.

Then came the early Korean cars. They looked like shit. Anyone ever seen a cockroach a.k.a. "Siu Keong" by the name of Kia Sephia? The early Sonatas, Accents, Elantras, Getz, Matrix, Carnival, Chairman, Rio, Spectra, Picanto, Aveo etc. Ppl bought them because they couldn't stand Proton but yet can't afford Jap. So it's like the poor man's Jap mobile.

Even now, sometimes when I bump into an old acquaintance and tell them I love the new Optima, they give me that look and say, "Aiyo, sure boh? Korean car leh, sure rugi like hell wan!"

I for one am hoping that this mentality continues for a bit longer, so that we can still enjoy Korean cars at gooding prices Let the naysayers keep getting ripped off by the Japs lol...

Maybe they are scared can't sell, just like the Sonata 2.4; can hardly see any on the road.

Which brings to mind that the majority of Sonata owners are most probably value minded ppl. On top of that, at the current moment any car above 2-litres (in the used car market) is very hard to sell and are priced around the same as their 2.0 cousins. IOW, ppl are getting quite worried about FC.

Too fukken bad our petrol can't support GDI, otherwise we could write a petition and request for them to bring in the 2.0T GDI

Should I let you continue putting more dung on your own face, Mr Swift Comeback?

Yeah, I will.

In all fairness, if they had priced it at 120k without the following:

1) Self-levelling bi-xenon headlamps

2) DRL

3) Infinity ICE

4) Panoramic 3-piece sunroof

5) Leather seats

6) High Performance Dampers

7) USB/Bluetooth

8) Autocruise

9) 6 airbags

10) 18" wheels

11) Keyless entry

12) Push start

I won't even think about it. It's just like buying a bone stock Camry 2.0E. Gaya ada, tapi lain suma tadaa....

VW charges RM5k++ just for Item (1) and a lousy iPod/media cable and yet ppl pay for it. Think about it bruthas and sistas...

Anytime my frens sit in my new Optima, they won't need to ask why I chose this instead of an Accord or Camry lol...

Don't be silly. It's not even launched yet. I was merely replying to the other dude who said he would have to explain to his friends everytime they got into his Kia... capiche?

+1

Consumers have short memories. You can be the top brand now, but give your competitors wiggle room for a good year or so and you'd have lost a lot of market share.

Thanks for the effort

Wah bro, how many thumbs you got la

This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 27 2011, 06:50 PM

A Navi upgrade at the most will cost RM2k (aftermarket). With or w/out Navi, the price is still a bit on the high side.

And no bi-xenons... I didn't know that until I tested it out myself this afternoon.

The highest specced Jap D-segment at the moment is the Camry 2.0G at Rm155k OTR. In terms of spec, give or take this K5 is in the ballpark. So between 144k and 155k, the difference in percentage is a mere 7%. So are you saying that a Kia is rightfully only 7% cheaper than the class leader?

It has self-leveling directional xenons with washer, but nope, they aren't bi-xenons. Not that big a deal, but considering that they already gave those lights the full treatment, why stinge on a lousy flip shield?

That's all I'm sayin'...

It doesn't sound markedly different from the sound system in my Forte 2.0 SX. Another Forte owner who happened to be there at the same time also remarked the same thing. Aside from the added subwoofer in the rear parcel shelf, the "Infinity" system was nothing to shout about. Actually, it felt boomy due to the sub (which you can't control separately btw).

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Added on December 28, 2011, 9:51 amLast I heard test drives are only available from March onwards. In the meantime all units (100) will be sold as is (fully CBU)...

Good thing => CBU
Bad thing => Molested by the whole country in showrooms

This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 28 2011, 09:51 AM